Andromeda and SJW influence: Delusional Rage or Unfortunate Reality? (Discussion)

Hey, when does that even come up? I don't think I ever saw the scene.

Did SJW ruin MEA? No. But that doesn't mean there is no basis for the accusation either.

Our current "trigger" society is ruining art in general imo. And while I might be completely wrong about Bioware, I see the more "Disney" approach as a result of not wanting to step on anybody's toes. So even if Bioware is not SJW crazy, they sure seem to be afraid of their wrath and this makes them passively supportive in my book.

Sure, the trans character and the Asari pronoun discussion are just two minor instances that have no influence on the quality of the game. Yet why is this stuff in the game? Clearly this is reflective of the media ruckus these attention seeking special snowflakes are causing. Yet in the game it doesn't strike me as a parody of the media but a serious contemplation.
And I resent it a bit that Bioware includes this lunacy.

The SJW moral tyranny stops being an internet joke when governments pass laws that protect these crazy people (sew Canada). SJW have grown into our modern day religious zealots. They DO have influence now.

And Bioware has decided to bow to them too apparently. Even if it's just minor stuff, I don't like this development.
I used to like Bioware being quietly inclusive. They were SJW in the positive sense before it became a buzzword of hatred.

Something changed with DAI about the way they present their inclusiveness. As if their goal is now to make the most inclusive game first, and then maybe write a cool story if it fits all these minority people. The main story in DAI was weak. Cartoon villain. Same with MEA. Feels too much like dating sim now as well.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Bioware's two latest check box-like inclusiveness games fall into a rising special snowflake mentality. Bioware doesn't reflect it critically. They APPEAL to these trends by creating spokesperson NPCs in SOME form.

This doesn't make or break a game. But denying that Bioware is prone to chasing trends and seems to embrace some of the themes that SJW promote because it's also an unfortunate phenomenon is turning a blind eye to what *is* in MEA. Minor or not. It's there.

That's just my take. Might be completely wrong. Might be Bioware is just overreacting to ME3 backlash rather than making deliberately inoffensive games because of the media moral police.

It was a 'blink and you'll miss it' moment in Podromos before the first patch.
To be honest, I've not revisited the character to re-discover the story later in the game
(not to avoid it, just didn't get round to it).

I'm pleased BioWare fixed it because it was clunky, but in the scheme of things a minor matter.

If there are folk complaining about this content existing in the game, then they have more anger than sanity in my view...

I think the whole "SJW" meme has outlived its welcome by this point.

Maybe at one stage it was OK as an insult for the sort of keyboard warriors who try to make the world a better place by being horrible to anyone who disagrees with them, but the use of the term has just gone way overboard.

Now it seems like if a game has gay characters, for example, or any sort of social commentary at all, it's the dreaded SJWs at work.

Basically this, even people who disliked Andromeda agree with this, which is a good thing.

This, so much this, omg.

Yeah but that's fantasy bigotry, which is quite different, like when Mordin casually scoffs at the thought of a krogan scientist, even when there's the product of a krogan scientist just a deck below. 

Oh ok yeah. That is delusional. Reminds me of the accusations that scientists are lying about global warming because they'll get rich off it.

Is there a difference?

I don't think any of them were ever ugly - some of the early animation issues were not flattering.  With the improvements to the animations, they look great to my eyes.

Does a bear shit in the woods?

They did.

I think a lot of the SJW stuff in general started or at least started to get blown out of proportion around Anita Saarkesian's trope fest. Her little femfreq channel created a huge amount of blowback and generated untold amounts of hate. I personally find her revolting, not because I dislike anything feminist but because of a whole lot of shady things around that show and her own angry feminist POV where it's clear she hates men and can't have a civil discussion with anyone that doesn't agree with her 100%.

One of the biggest issues I think for the anti SJW people within gaming (that specific demographic) I believe was that she lied about being a gamer who loved games and had gamed all her life and so she cared so much about making games better but then there's footage of her saying exactly the opposite (and almost insultingly so). Yet her tropes series generated a lot of attention while also not really being an accurate depiction of anything more than some random example of specific things in games used to set the stage and make it seem like games are dominated by this stuff when really they don't seem to be. But people gave her so much attention for her biased, slanted and inaccurate depiction of these tropes in games and ultimately this enraged a lot of people, and not just white males as many seem to believe. To me, it looks like she is the ground zero of this anti-SJW nightmare (born in response to what she created) that has now become the battlecry of angry gamers everywhere, and as a result, any game that has even a whiff of diversity seems gets tagged as SJW propoganda or whatever they label it. MEA has diversity (ME always had diversity). So it gets targeted. My guess is many of those who target it aren't even people who play the game and they are on their own crusade to bring down anything that they feel might be the result of Anita's tropes.

What is important to understand is that part of why they are doing this is related to censorship in gaming. Saarkesian did call for censorship though not as overtly and directly as previous attempts by other people throughout history. Censorship attempts nearly always fail.  She wanted  people to think she was calling for equality but nope. She was calling for things to be fixed in a way that fit her world view which looks more like an anti male movement from my POV. They are the big bad in her world. 

I really don't think that many actual ME players are anti SJWs. A portion are for sure. I think that a lot of the hate from this group was more about their perception that a game had the kind of 'propaganda' they recognize as SJW even if it is not actually SJW at all or only fleetingly so. It's like they are now so sensitized that they get triggered by anything that has even a whiff of diversity. I used to think anti SJW stuff was all just about people hating. Maybe some of it is. Maybe more than some. But its core does seem to be centered around someone who created a movement based on lies and deception, had her own agenda for herself as more a priority than the cause she represented and wanted to censor games because she was supposedly a gamer who cared (proven to be a in her own words) when really not so much. Just a nice place to focus perhaps because nobody had done that yet.

As far as I can see, MEA was basically a casualty of this very ugly SJW/Anti-SJW war.