Andromeda and SJW influence: Delusional Rage or Unfortunate Reality? (Discussion)

Good question.

As a hetero male, I want good looking women in my games. I am not going to apologize for that. It's fantasy. I enjoy the titillation.

Yet, as a human being, I understand the hurt that comes from looks-based prejudice, which affects both men and women. Women more, but certainly not exclusively. 

Regardless of how I feel, MANY guys will continue to be turned off by Bioware if they keep ignoring our desires.

The only solution I can see is to include all types. That's what I've always argued. It's what a lot of guys here argue, even the more hostile GG types.

I enjoy good looking females as well, though I generally prefer asari.
I felt the females characters looked generally fine, outside of maybe a few instances, default Sara included. Not sure what went on with those characters. I don't work for Bioware so all I can really do is speculate.
Side note: Haven't romanced Cora, I found her more interesting than Ashley, but that's not saying a whole lot, didn't she get one of the more graphic sex scenes? Also, whats the general opinion on her looks?

Don't misjudge incompetence for malevolence or a political agenda.

Default Sara Ryder looks ugly because the team behind MEA was incapable of creating a single attractive human character. This is my personal opinion obviously but every human in this game either has crappy character creator face or is just generic looking to me. Liam and Cora probably are the best we got but even they look medicore design wise when compared to Miranda, Zaeed, Kasumi or Jack. Don't even get me started on Gil and Suvi who got the shaft when it comes to character designs.

Honestly, Inquisition and Dragon Age 2 were more SJW than MEA ever was (Krem, Dorian's daddy plot, Adoribull, Social Justice Mage Anders, etc) but given the fact that even vague hints of political correctness or LGBT content triggers certain people on the Internet I am not surprised that said people are blaming MEA's failures totally on preceived SJW politics. I am not leting Bioware off that easily.

Regardless, can't we all just agree that MEA was a disappointment and not bring in the seemingly omnipresent GamerGate vs SJW debate into the dicussion?

I can agree that, despite liking and enjoying MEA, it was a disappointment. This thread was more meant to find instances of actual SJW influence, and so far, the general consensus is that there were only, like, two instances. The rest were just stuff from a conspiracy theory.
I haven't encounter the whole asari pronouns thing in game, what exactly is said?

Would you allow the possibility that their stance had nothing to do with the desires of hetero male gamers? That it might have to do with something else entirely? Somebody else entirely?

I'm not denying that Bioware made certain choices, and they aren't shy about saying why they made those choices, and that their unapologetic position is a bit of a lightning rod for all sorts of dissenting commentary. I do deny the framing of your statement, however. Making a decision which doesn't take into consideration how hetero males may react is not the same thing as forcing a stance down said hetero males's throats. They (hetero males) might be flattering themselves.

Incomptence at Bioware montreal (Now merged with EA motive). I personally found her more appealing than Ashley, then again, I just hated Ashley's guts, so anything probably seems better by comparison. I can agree with you that Bioware Montreal wasn't exactly the most competent studio. I honestly hope they AT SOME POINT fix the asari faces thing. Personally I preferred Peebee's sex scene. (Asari boobs!)

To be fair, the poster prior to you said "good looking women".  And to that point, as a homo male I want to see good looking men.  So we're not on different pages here, just looking for different things.  Still, the fact that BioWare so thoroughly fucked up the presumed SJW content suggests that, no, they weren't trying to appeal to that market in any serious way.

True.  He's a little too flamboyant for my personal interests but I still find him to be written well.  And even if his storyline was focused on something so trite as homophobia, I still think it was done well considering the topic.  To me, that was BioWare trying.  They did not try when it came to Gil.  Which is why I say BioWare was not appealing to "SJW" (or just, you know, people who like to see representation in romances).  The others are just crybabies and should be treated as such.  I honestly don't believe they're representative of the hetero male gaming community at large, just very vocal.  I actually know a straight guy who had his male Ryder romance Reyes.  I suspect that's also atypical but he's also not posting on message boards or creating videos to discuss it - like most people aren't.

I should point out Dorian's entire arc is less about his sexuality, more about his pride and arrogance.

The real crux of the story is how much of Dorian is like the other mages in Tevinter; which he hates because he doesn't want to be like them. He hates the fantasy version of Tevinter, but acts as prideful as any Tevene does regardless of their perception around others. His entire arc is basically him finding a center to that, and the use of his sexuality is more or less the point to drive it home. The pariah thinks he's ostracized from the start, so he turns up the flamboyance as a defense mechanism to belittle those around him. 

It is a bit on the nose, the scene with the father, but when one scene among a hundred hours is used to hammer down the point of the conservative Tevinter society (perception of sexuality vs the actual sexuality)  and how Dorian is easily rattled by it not because he himself is "liberal" in a sense, but because he can easily be a part of that society if he wishes based on his actions. 

To me, thats not really about homophobia, that's about ones own pride.

Gil had an arc that was...kind of shallow. It was one of him taking responsibility for his actions, for thinking instead of feeling. He is a poker player who operates on feel, reads people, and runs away at the right moment, but that is the extent to his character. It is more one-note vs being dynamic. His sexuality also is not a part of it, except at the end when you get to the child sub-plot which...frankly is not that good. 

Probably because no one played it.

I'd never heard of it till this forum.