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Post by pressedcat on Dec 11, 2021 13:24:38 GMT
It does feel like the narrative has shifted far more to Moraine and the White Tower in the Tv series. I’m not sure whether the show runners are leaning into this more due to the star-draw of Rosamund Pike, or their preference for the politicking that proved so popular in GoT.
As many have noted, Eye of the World’s plot might feel quite unoriginal for modern audiences. There seems to be a concerted effort to draw in ideas and arcs from later books where the world had expanded and begun to introduce some of it’s more original elements. Front loading in this way, coupled with the low episode count, has left me feeling like the younger Emond’s Fielders are taking a back seat in their own tale.
So many new elements of the show are first seen through the experienced eye of Moraine, rather than the more fearful or trepidatious view of the Emonds Fielders. The world isn’t growing as they witness it, so they don’t grow either.
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Post by Gwydden on Dec 11, 2021 18:23:42 GMT
Ep 6 spoilers and also a book spoiler: I loved this one the most because White Tower intrigue is my favourite part of the series. Also, I strongly approve of Moiraine/Siun. (If nothing else, it should save us from Moiraine/Thom, the most random 'everyone must be paired off OR ELSE!!!' relationship in a series that is not exactly short on them.)
I'm fairly certain this was not a show addition but something that was at least implied in the books. I seem to recall something or other that established Aes Sedai had a lesbian phase in their training on account of the lack of men around. Which even back then sounded pretty iffy, particularly for a series obsessed with gender politics where pretty much every character is straight. Back in the day, I would recommend people start reading WoT as I did, not with The Eye of the World but with New Spring, for reasons that others have touched on: the first book is the most generic and by-the-numbers, while New Spring frontloads the more compelling aspects of the setting. And yes, Moiraine and Lan are more interesting than the kids early on, which is another thing in New Spring's favor. Based on some of the criticisms here, I wonder if they shouldn't have done something similar. As I recall, Jordan even wanted to write a sequel to New Spring that would have covered the time between it and TEotW, but like the other projects he had planned after A Memory of Light that never got the chance to materialize. EDIT: By the way, are people in the show pronouncing Moiraine's name "MOE-EE-RAYNE"? Since she comes from fantasy France, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be "MWAH-RENN."
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 11, 2021 19:51:11 GMT
I’ll say this If the multiple dragon thing is anything but a misdirect, I’ll be done with this show.
Thankfully I doubt they’ll do that, but I hate that they put it in my head. I’m starting to think trying to keep this mystery of the dragon going and pulling more political plots forward is making the early story more muddled rather than more interesting.
Particularly because it doesn’t seem they’re particularly good at it. Using the oath rod and such a drastic punishment was very out of step with the books. Unless we’re talking about Elaida.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 11, 2021 22:38:32 GMT
Usually, you all beat me to the newest episode due to timezones ![:blink:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/mYKVZsYKhOsPsltcpJZF.png) Are you all watching The Expanse instead? Yep, this exactly. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) But I did get to watch Ep6 now. I knew it! I knew they couldn't resist making Moiraine and Siuan into a thing. I mean, it's ok, there is technically nothing really standig against it narratively. I woulnd't have needed it but whatever, it doesn't ruin anything, so it's ok, I guess.
Siuan's prologue was cool, I liked the music. IIRC, book-Siuan actually grew up as an orphan in the docks of some major harbor (probably of the city of Tear). But since it doesn't really have that much bearing on the story, this was ok, too.
I liked the scenes in the hall. At first I wasn't a fan of the Ajahs wearing their colors so prominently but it does make for some great looking scenes there, I'll give it that. The only weird thing is that they used the oath rod here. Doesn't really make sense. Since Moiraine already swore on the rod that she'd not say a word that is not true, it would have been enough for her to say that she'll abide by Siuan's ruling and that's that.
As someone above said, the way Moiraine rephrased the oath was also weird and should have made the other sisters suspicious.
I liked all the interactions between Moiraine and the kids. Lot's of good stuff in there. Nynaeve's actress continues to impress. Channeling effects like the healing of Mat are still great. I wonder if he'll be healed for good now or if it's like in the books where it's only a temporary fix and where they need a bunch of sisters to really heal him later.
Definitely didn't like the Waygate. What the heck? Looked closer to a portal stone than a Waygate. Using the description from the book would have been so much cooler. It would also have given Loyal something to do, since he'd be the only one who can figure out which leaf needs to be removed etc. Also, the danger about Waygates is that in principle anyone can use them, even non-channelers. If you need t channel to open one in the show, it removes quite a few cool possibilities and dangers.
As for Mat not coming, curious where they'll go with that one. Well, we are very far away from the books now. That's fine. I think I am at the point now where I just see the show as something different and this way, we book-readers can be surprised. I'll keep going for sure.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 11, 2021 22:38:39 GMT
![:ytho:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/xiICCwovdgMxwQNmAZOU.png) No spoiler discussion from me on this episode. Maybe it was the heightened expectations from Sanderson saying it was his favourite script, but this was my least favourite episode so far. Not all bad, or even close, but below expectations.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 11, 2021 22:53:43 GMT
Remember when i said the show's story will be completely different from the books' by the time TSR's events are adapted? I was wrong, and should have said halfway through TEOTW instead.
The town Baerlon, Min, captain Bayle Domon, Wolfbrother Elyas, Caemlyn City, Elayne, Galad, Gawyn, and Queen Morgase were cut. Padan Fain's MIA after the first episode and should have been at Shadar Logoth. Moiraine encountering Logain before he was gentled. The darkfriend who owned the Four Kings inn is a butterball of a woman instead of a skinny old man who taught Rand, and Mat a very important life lesson. Thom doesn't teach Mat, and Rand gleeman tricks so that they can survive on their own until Caemlyn. The Whitebridge Myrdraal encounter is rewritten to take place at the farmhouse instead, and the family was killed off despite being unharmed in the book. Loial being encountered at Tar Valon instead of Caemlyn. Mat's fully healed of Mar Shadar's corruption. Moiraine and Siuan having a secret affair despite their relationship being compared to sisters in the books, Mat doesn't travel with the group into the ways, and that's only some of the changes i can remember.
I can't even imagine how the show's version of The Great Hunt will unfold.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 11, 2021 22:58:11 GMT
![:ytho:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/QnITLwwMcXGRXKtyqAPs.png) No spoiler discussion from me on this episode. Maybe it was the heightened expectations from Sanderson saying it was his favourite script, but this was my least favourite episode so far. Not all bad, or even close, but below expectations. What irks me is that all the new Amazon exclusive scenes couldn't make up for all the cut content from the book because so much worldbuilding was lost with so little to replace it.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 12, 2021 0:26:46 GMT
As someone unfamiliar with the story and setting, would I be wrong is saying Wheel of Time has gone down the same road as the Witcher, bungling new scenes, and butchering the handful of key plot points necessary to adapt the story, or just to have a good story really. And by season 2 we'll be into fanfic territory?
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Post by pressedcat on Dec 12, 2021 0:40:42 GMT
Finally caught up with episode 6.
To be honest, I’m with Mat: no way I would be going through that gateway to fight the Dark One!
All the Aes Sedai elements in the series have been interesting, but they’ve eaten a lot of time that I feel would have been better spent fleshing out the Emond Fielders.
Other than singular appearances of a Myrddraal and darkfriend, there’s not really been the sense that anyone is still being pursued by the shadow. Coupled with the fact that the dreams have been infrequent and only vaguely ominous, I can’t see any of the characters feeling that they have to confront their pursuers so that they can have a moments respite.
As Kappa Neko said earlier, Moraine seems to be the only one to have clear motivation; the Emonds Fielders just are being moved around like game pieces to progress the plot.
I can’t help but feel that the show would have been stronger had the cast list been paired right back for the first season. Moraine, Lan and the EF5 as the only main characters, with secondary characters coming into and leaving the story over single episodes, as done with Thom. We might have had a little less world building and less of an understanding of Aes Sedai, but hopefully more investment in the main characters.
This may sound like lamentation that the show doesn’t more closely follow the book (quite possibly it is), but my main issue with the show going in to the last two episodes is how poorly focused it all feels.
On a completely different topic, how do I do the SPOILER thing (on an iPad if it makes any difference)?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 0:47:25 GMT
On a completely different topic, how do I do the SPOILER thing (on an iPad if it makes any difference)? Two ways. I'm on PC but I know at least one of these works.
So the simplest is to type it out. Remove the spaces between the word and the brackets.
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The other way is there's an icon you can press to do it. You have to highlight the text you want in a spoiler, then hit the Triangle with an Exclamation Point ! in it.
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Post by pressedcat on Dec 12, 2021 0:54:19 GMT
As someone unfamiliar with the story and setting, would I be wrong is saying Wheel of Time has gone down the same road as the Witcher, bungling new scenes, and butchering the handful of key plot points necessary to adapt the story, or just to have a good story really. And by season 2 we'll be into fanfic territory? I would argue that the major problem the show runners have had is trying to fit too much in to the first season. The plot goes out of sequence and whilst this allows some of the more unique elements of the series to appear earlier, for me at least this has played havoc with pacing, coherency and development of the central cast. There’s a good show in there somewhere, but it hasn’t hit it’s groove yet. But don’t let me put you off giving the show a watch: I suspect not having prior expectations will leave you more free to pass fair judgment on the series as a stand-alone.
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Post by pressedcat on Dec 12, 2021 1:04:45 GMT
On a completely different topic, how do I do the SPOILER thing (on an iPad if it makes any difference)? Two ways. I'm on PC but I know at least one of these works.
So the simplest is to type it out. Remove the spaces between the word and the brackets.
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The other way is there's an icon you can press to do it. You have to highlight the text you want in a spoiler, then hit the Triangle with an Exclamation Point ! in it.
Cool, thanks! Spoilers below discussing the Dragon One thing I haven’t noticed being discussed in these boards was Rand using the One Power to escape from the locked room in Episode 3.
Was this something I only picked up on because I was expecting it, something that was mentioned and I didn’t notice, or simply something no one thought worth mentioning because everyone has read the books.
In fact, I’m surprised how little speculation there is in these threads as to the identity of the Dragon, given it is a deliberate hook for the series.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 12, 2021 1:05:01 GMT
As someone unfamiliar with the story and setting, would I be wrong is saying Wheel of Time has gone down the same road as the Witcher, bungling new scenes, and butchering the handful of key plot points necessary to adapt the story, or just to have a good story really. And by season 2 we'll be into fanfic territory? My own personal take on it - so far - is lukewarm. I don’t mind the differences to the books, but they are making it harder to enjoy what is good about the show. I recall a question to Robert Jordan about the video game WoT, and he said his involvement with it was limited to stopping them having actual dragons and telling them they weren’t allowed to put ninjas into his world. I can’t help but feel he’d have similar opinions about the show. The level of detail we got as book readers was never going to be matched by the show. Never in a million years. But some of the stuff they’ve - thus far - left out is kind of important to making WoT different to Fantasy Story: The Setting. For instance (and I really hope this is some kind of trick); the possibility of one of the girls being the Dragon Reborn. The reason it was a big deal (and a source of conflict) is that the DR was a man who could channel. The male half of the Source is Tainted, which drives men of touch it insane. Hence, he could save or break the world. If it’s possible for the DR to be female…what’s the problem? What will drive the Tower to have factions seeking to oppose them? I just hope there’s a giant lightbulb about to go off that will reveal the plan. Because thus far, I’m very much on the fence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 1:10:59 GMT
Maybe it'll flop Rand we'll all shed a Tear while we Gai'don outta here.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 12, 2021 2:15:16 GMT
I also really liked Moiraine's facial expressions. Was nice to see her grasping at loopholes a few times throughout the episode. She's amazing for the role ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/IpuSsDBf0TTjaIOiSWNL.png) I don't know that I've ever seen anything else with Rosamund Pike in it before (though I know her name and face from somewhere), so I guess I've been missing out. Watched the last episode of Invasion which I highly recommend people stay the hell away from. Lol. I don't even know what Invasion is, but I'll keep that in mind They overvalue pomp, ceremony, politicking, etc. It's actually inline with them. It's like a courthouse only worse. It's almost like a weeding system. You have to be capable of all their BS intricacies. Yeah, I guess Moiraine having to prostrate herself like that just seemed overly dramatic, but it doesn't ruin the episode for me or anything. I think the rest of that initial meeting with Siuan wouldn't have bothered me if not for that part. Reminded me of an old pen and paper RPG I ran a long time ago. Tribal setting. The group discovered a huge undead horde, millions strong, coming for the tribes. My Players wanted to convince the tribe to unite with the others and try to stop them. The chieftain wanted to pick up and run to save their tribe. We spent hours and hours in pure dialogue and diplomacy rolls. Never had an evening like that before or since. Grand speeches, great arguments. Both sides has such good reasoning it came down to a fight my player knew they couldn't win against the chieftain. The chieftain wound up putting two arrows in him. Non-lethal on purpose. Player made a great roll and the chieftain could see the tribe's choice swing in my players favour so he left. (Obviously to come back later, muahahaha.) See, for a D&D game that you're actively involved in, that could be fun. Certainly more fun than waiting for all the spellcasters in your party to decide which spell they want to cast, because they waited for their own turn to arrive before picking up the guidebook. You know, speaking hypothetically ...I'd still say Ep 4 was my favourite by a fair margin though. Same, though I liked 5 as well aside from the time jump. Book spoilers: Also, I strongly approve of Moiraine/Siun. (If nothing else, it should save us from Moiraine/Thom, the most random 'everyone must be paired off OR ELSE!!!' relationship in a series that is not exactly short on them.) Book spoilers: Same, and for the same reason. I love Moiraine, and I like Thom just fine, but that was the weirdest, most unexpected-but-not-in-a-good-way pairing ever. I guess it's better than Mat/Tuon, but only because I can't stand Tuon. The tragic romance of Moiraine/Siuan I did not see coming. And obviously that was extremely painful for me to watch. My impossible ship has not only crashed and burned, the episode gleefully pissed all over it, lol! Ouch, my heart! ;D I read that while this didn't happen in the novels that way, their relationship was heavily implied with the whole Pillowfriends thing (seriously, what is up with the childlike names in this series?!). Many novices in the Tower experiment with f/f relationships, which did include Moiraine and Siuan. Them carrying the relationship into adulthood is a change from the books, but one that I'm ok with for reasons explained in the book spoiler tags above. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/jAgSYBMsctryOqdIwWcJ.png) On the other hand I found it completely laughable that nobody who witnessed that oath didn't realize what was going on between the two of them. Like, seriously?! No subtlety it all! Agreed. Pike's facial expressions (and Siuan's) would have been enough to show TV viewers how she felt about the oath. They shouldn't have had her change the words themselves. They're like side characters to the Moiraine Show. And while I DO like the Moiraine Show very much, the actress is amazing, this is getting silly. Didn't you say you wanted a show just about the Aes Sedai and their warders? They're trying to give you the show you asked for! The kids magically appear in places without any narrative string to hold on to and then they appear in another place. And now they're reunited after a split second hug and then they get shipped off to beat the Dark One without any training or context. I agree with this, too. There have been pacing hickups in this season, most notably episode 1, the time skip in 5, and now episode 6. I hope they manage to get this ironed out. Though to be fair, Robert Jordan had his own pacing hickup with the entirety of the tenth novel, so... As many have noted, Eye of the World’s plot might feel quite unoriginal for modern audiences. There seems to be a concerted effort to draw in ideas and arcs from later books where the world had expanded and begun to introduce some of it’s more original elements. Front loading in this way, coupled with the low episode count, has left me feeling like the younger Emond’s Fielders are taking a back seat in their own tale. I think you may be right that they are making these changes in order to front load a lot of worldbuilding for TV audiences. I'm going to rewatch the entire season with a friend of mine who has never read the books, and I plan to grill her for her opinions on everything. It could be that this is working better for non-readers than we think it is. EDIT: By the way, are people in the show pronouncing Moiraine's name "MOE-EE-RAYNE"? Since she comes from fantasy France, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be "MWAH-RENN." They are mispronouncing a lot. I pulled out one of my books to double check, and indeed it should be mwah-RAIN. I understand that the Tar Valon mispronunciation makes it sound more like Avalon (at least, that is my theory), but the Moiraine one, I don't understand. If the multiple dragon thing is anything but a misdirect, I’ll be done with this show. Book spoilers: Yeah, that would piss me off as well. I really think it is a misdirect, though. All of the Emond's Fielders have had pretty obvious signs that there is something different about them, with the notable exception of Rand, whose only sign was channeling that door open back in episode 2 or 3, which maybe some TV viewers would have missed or may not have interpreted as something unusual. Particularly because it doesn’t seem they’re particularly good at it. Using the oath rod and such a drastic punishment was very out of step with the books. Unless we’re talking about Elaida. Moiraine asked for that punishment, though. I do agree that bringing the oath rod out seems out of step with the books, but I bet they just wanted an excuse to show the oath rod in the first season. More of that front-loading discussed earlier. Yep, this exactly. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/IpuSsDBf0TTjaIOiSWNL.png) Weak. I watched both in the same evening! Well, we are very far away from the books now. That's fine. I think I am at the point now where I just see the show as something different and this way, we book-readers can be surprised. I'll keep going for sure. Same. Some of the changes I don't like, others I don't mind, a few I even like, but overall I'm enjoying not knowing exactly what's going to happen next. As for Mat not coming, curious where they'll go with that one. Book spoiler: I'm predicting he'll run to join them at the last minute and manage to get through before the gate closes, maybe due to his luck starting to show up. We really haven't seen that yet at all. I can't even imagine how the show's version of The Great Hunt will unfold. Book spoiler: They are going to have to skip a ton of things, given that they have 8 seasons to tell the story of 14 massive novels. I would be ok with a lot of Rand-chasing getting skipped over, personally, as long as they still show plenty of his angst. As someone unfamiliar with the story and setting, would I be wrong is saying Wheel of Time has gone down the same road as the Witcher, bungling new scenes, and butchering the handful of key plot points necessary to adapt the story, or just to have a good story really. And by season 2 we'll be into fanfic territory? I think "bungling" and "butchering" are far too strong of words for most of the changes. Some book fans online are very much up in arms about all the changes and think the show has destroyed the story, but I don't agree. As others have said -- including Brandon Sanderson, who wrote the last three books -- the WoT universe contains a mechanism for exactly this sort of adaptation, that being that the show version of the story is simply another turning of the wheel, rather than the exact same Third Age we have in the books. Despite my own complaints about some of the changes, overall I'm enjoying the show and very much look forward to the last two episodes. Book spoilers: One thing I haven’t noticed being discussed in these boards was Rand using the One Power to escape from the locked room in Episode 3.
Was this something I only picked up on because I was expecting it, something that was mentioned and I didn’t notice, or simply something no one thought worth mentioning because everyone has read the books.
In fact, I’m surprised how little speculation there is in these threads as to the identity of the Dragon, given it is a deliberate hook for the series. Book spoilers: Most of us here have read the books, with the exception of Kappa and now Blast. I know a few pages back we asked Kappa who she thought the Dragon was, and I think she was suspecting Rand since he seemed (earlier on) to be a main character, but then I believe a friend of hers spoiled the Dragon's identity for her. If it’s possible for the DR to be female…what’s the problem? The fact that the Dark One is hunting this person in order to bring them to his side isn't enough? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/VfxdBFbMnoUNJLwjwIDS.png) Maybe it'll flop Rand we'll all shed a Tear while we Gai'don outta here. As brilliant as these puns are, I hope that doesn't happen ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/jAgSYBMsctryOqdIwWcJ.png)
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 12, 2021 3:56:05 GMT
I can't even imagine how the show's version of The Great Hunt will unfold. Book spoiler: They are going to have to skip a ton of things, given that they have 8 seasons to tell the story of 14 massive novels. I would be ok with a lot of Rand-chasing getting skipped over, personally, as long as they still show plenty of his angst. Them cutting down Path of Daggers, Winters Heart, and Crossroads of Twilight to a single season would help immensely but my only worry for TGH's events... are that i want to see them cast a fitting actress for Lanfear, and do some justice for the choreography of Rand's first official sword duel and Mat's beatdown of the pompous princes. This is for book readers only... Remember Sammael's Napoleon Complex? I hope the showrunners don't screw up, and cast a literal manlet because iirc even though his height was described as above average his inferiority complex made him seethe at Rand, and Moridin who excluding the Aiel were the only people taller than him.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 12, 2021 3:59:27 GMT
Book spoiler: They are going to have to skip a ton of things, given that they have 8 seasons to tell the story of 14 massive novels. I would be ok with a lot of Rand-chasing getting skipped over, personally, as long as they still show plenty of his angst. Them cutting down Path of Daggers, Winters Heart, and Crossroads of Twilight to a single season would help immensely but my only worry for TGH... is that i want to see them do some justice for Rand's first official sword duel in regards to choreography. I hope they have good choreographers, though do you mean you hope it will be an accurate-looking sword fight? Or you hope it will look epic? (Or both?)
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 12, 2021 4:06:03 GMT
I hope they have good choreographers, though do you mean you hope it will be an accurate-looking sword fight? Or you hope it will look epic? (Or both?) In terms of quality i'd like it to be on the level of Liam Neeson's Rob Roy final duel (realistic) but that's wishful thinking on my part. I wouldn't mind it if the quality's on the level of HBO's Ned Stark's and Jamie's duel (theatrical) too.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 12, 2021 4:16:31 GMT
Also, i pray the choreography for Mat's Turak's duels aren't poorly executed like The Last Jedi's throne room fight scene because that was a travesty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 4:43:28 GMT
As for Mat not coming, curious where they'll go with that one. Book spoiler: I'm predicting he'll run to join them at the last minute and manage to get through before the gate closes, maybe due to his luck starting to show up. We really haven't seen that yet at all. I think he'll be the B Plot for the next episode. Hopefully get into some fun trouble with Thom or something. Get his own little spotlight while the rest have to share.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 12, 2021 8:20:15 GMT
Many novices in the Tower experiment with f/f relationships, which did include Moiraine and Siuan. Them carrying the relationship into adulthood is a change from the books, but one that I'm ok with for reasons explained in the book spoiler tags above. Well, if the Lan thing can't happen because Moiraine likes women, that's one thing. But if she were to hook up with Thom later on, then I'd be screaming "Why not my boy Lan, bitch?!" ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) So if they're dropping that pairing which indeed seems odd to me, I'm glad. Still heart broken over my fantasy ship, but it's better than following the books there. Thom is great an all from what I gathered during his limited screen time but how and why did they do that in the books? LOL indeed! Good example of be careful what you wish for! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) The show has definitely succeeded in making me care for the Aes Sedai and their warders - and nothing else. I don't think that's how it should be... But then maybe this is exactly what the showrunner wants going by his alarming "I'm a feminist" quotes I was made aware of. That never ends well... I'm so sick of current Hollywood and their virtue signaling. Can we please just get good writing back?! Slightly off topic: Supposedly Witcher S2 will be much much better and shift the focus back to Geralt. Thank you, heavens! Which brings me to: As someone unfamiliar with the story and setting, would I be wrong is saying Wheel of Time has gone down the same road as the Witcher, bungling new scenes, and butchering the handful of key plot points necessary to adapt the story, or just to have a good story really. And by season 2 we'll be into fanfic territory? In my case I'm enjoying WoT a lot more than the Witcher because I have no reference and can't whine and nitpick all changes to death. Witcher S1 was not good imo. It wasn't terrible but they did butcher important key scenes imo. My buddy who read WoT and recommended it to me after the first 3 or 4 episodes now thinks it's a terrible terrible show. He hates it after episode 6. So I dunno. I would still recommend it to a non book reader, I guess. But the plotting IS indeed horrendous by now. I wouldn't be invested if the actors weren't so good. And unlike most people on reddit, I actually love the art and costume design. For a fantasy TV show it looks pretty good to me. Definitely better than the Nilfgaard armor. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/CeRUIfXurYhaBmWjMBkt.png)
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 12, 2021 8:33:11 GMT
Book spoilers: Well, if the Lan thing can't happen because Moiraine likes women, that's one thing. But if she were to hook up with Thom later on, then I'd be screaming "Why not my boy Lan, bitch?!" ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/IpuSsDBf0TTjaIOiSWNL.png) So if they're dropping that pairing which indeed seems odd to me, I'm glad. Still heart broken over my fantasy ship, but it's better than following the books there. Thom is great an all from what I gathered during his limited screen time but how and why did they do that in the books? You weren't supposed to open that spoiler ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/TgAXeseEcsEiUnIoGgBv.png) But Moiraine ended up with Thom in the books because...hell, I don't even know. RJ wanted everyone paired off by the end, I guess. It's a weird pairing. Moiraine is presumably bisexual in the books, but she and Lan can't be a thing, sorry. Their relationship is purely platonic ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/VfxdBFbMnoUNJLwjwIDS.png) And unlike most people on reddit, I actually love the art and costume design. I do as well. I don't understand comments saying that it looks cheap. While I enjoyed Witcher season 1 (aside from the weird treatment of Ciri), WoT looks much better, in my opinion.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 12, 2021 8:38:22 GMT
If it’s possible for the DR to be female…what’s the problem? The fact that the Dark One is hunting this person in order to bring them to his side isn't enough? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/VfxdBFbMnoUNJLwjwIDS.png) ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/iAAocWiXpMcWriqYLqLB.png) Ok - fair call.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 12, 2021 8:39:20 GMT
Maybe it'll flop Rand we'll all shed a Tear while we Gai'don outta here. Reported.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 12, 2021 8:40:34 GMT
Book spoilers: Well, if the Lan thing can't happen because Moiraine likes women, that's one thing. But if she were to hook up with Thom later on, then I'd be screaming "Why not my boy Lan, bitch?!" ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/IpuSsDBf0TTjaIOiSWNL.png) So if they're dropping that pairing which indeed seems odd to me, I'm glad. Still heart broken over my fantasy ship, but it's better than following the books there. Thom is great an all from what I gathered during his limited screen time but how and why did they do that in the books? You weren't supposed to open that spoiler ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/TgAXeseEcsEiUnIoGgBv.png) But Moiraine ended up with Thom in the books because...hell, I don't even know. RJ wanted everyone paired off by the end, I guess. It's a weird pairing. Moiraine is presumably bisexual in the books, but she and Lan can't be a thing, sorry. Their relationship is purely platonic ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/VfxdBFbMnoUNJLwjwIDS.png) And unlike most people on reddit, I actually love the art and costume design. I do as well. I don't understand comments saying that it looks cheap. While I enjoyed Witcher season 1 (aside from the weird treatment of Ciri), WoT looks much better, in my opinion. Yeah - I don't think it looks cheap, at all. I do think that the world described in the books was more...advanced in their society than what we've seen so far. But it definitely has had some serious money thrown at it.
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