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Post by Heimdall on Nov 28, 2021 12:25:38 GMT
I’m liking the show so far. I actually just finished the series for the first time this year so I’m still pretty new to it. I’m content to view it as a new turning of the wheel, the events may only follow broad strokes of the books. One thing I’m concerned about them maintaining is the lore and magic system of the books. I’ve been a bit concerned about them pushing the idea that the Dragon could be male or female. Part of the reason everyone found the Dragon’s return so scary was because he would inevitably be an insane male channeler. It just sort of seems like an arbitrary and pointless change to make just to drum up a little additional mystery if it’s just going to be Rand anyway.
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 29, 2021 1:52:35 GMT
I actually just finished the series for the first time this year so I’m still pretty new to it What did you think of it? I read it originally as a teenager (aside from the last few, which hadn't been released yet) and so re-reading it as an adult its hard for me to separate the nostalgia factor and evaluate objectively/impartially, and I can never decide whether I'd have liked the series as much if I read it now vs. when I was so much younger (not to mention how much the fantasy genre overall has evolved since the 90s).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 29, 2021 3:07:47 GMT
I’m liking the show so far. I actually just finished the series for the first time this year so I’m still pretty new to it. I’m content to view it as a new turning of the wheel, the events may only follow broad strokes of the books. One thing I’m concerned about them maintaining is the lore and magic system of the books. I’ve been a bit concerned about them pushing the idea that the Dragon could be male or female. Part of the reason everyone found the Dragon’s return so scary was because he would inevitably be an insane male channeler. It just sort of seems like an arbitrary and pointless change to make just to drum up a little additional mystery if it’s just going to be Rand anyway. Were you reading them uninterrupted? Or did you take breaks and read other things in between? And did you actually read Crossroads of Twilight..? Or did you fall asleep and just read the Wikipedia page on it's plot? Re: the ambiguity on the DR identity Yeah...not a whole lot to like about that (assuming Moiraine is not just obfuscating for the sake of it, which, frankly, is entirely in keeping with her personality and Aes Sedia in general. Literally no-one would care about/be afraid of the Dragon Reborn if it were possible for them to be female. So I'm not sure what they're angling towards with the story tweaks there.
All onboard with Egwene (and possibly Nyneave?) being ta'veren, though. Always felt they should've been, anyway, so this change is all positive, as far as I'm concerned. But ta'veren doesn't necessarily mean candidate for Dragon Reborn. It's like Highlander. There can be only one.
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 29, 2021 3:35:16 GMT
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All onboard with Egwene (and possibly Nyneave?) being ta'veren, though. Always felt they should've been, anyway, so this change is all positive, as far as I'm concerned. But ta'veren doesn't necessarily mean candidate for Dragon Reborn. It's like Highlander. There can be only one. It would make a lot of sense from a story perspective, if Egwene in particular was ta'veren. She ends up being one of the most significant characters in term of the large-scale world events; being the first Dreamer in hundreds of years, becoming Amyrlin Seat and re-unifying the White Tower, purging the White Tower of Darkfriends, re-discovering a bunch of lost Talents, and finally playing a crucial role in Tarmon Gaiden. She's arguably as much or more of a fulcrum in the events of the Wheel of Time as Perrin is.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 29, 2021 3:41:20 GMT
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All onboard with Egwene (and possibly Nyneave?) being ta'veren, though. Always felt they should've been, anyway, so this change is all positive, as far as I'm concerned. But ta'veren doesn't necessarily mean candidate for Dragon Reborn. It's like Highlander. There can be only one. It would make a lot of sense from a story perspective, if Egwene in particular was ta'veren. She ends up being one of the most significant characters in term of the large-scale world events; being the first Dreamer in hundreds of years, becoming Amyrlin Seat and re-unifying the White Tower, purging the White Tower of Darkfriends, re-discovering a bunch of lost Talents, and finally playing a crucial role in Tarmon Gaiden. She's arguably as much or more of a fulcrum in the events of the Wheel of Time as Perrin is. Exactly; The whole point of ta'veren is that they cause the Pattern the Wheel weaves to bend and shape around them. In the books, the lads do this unconsciously.
Egwene did it through force of will without any natural advantages woven into the Wheel.
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Post by Hier0phant on Nov 29, 2021 4:03:58 GMT
It would make a lot of sense from a story perspective, if Egwene in particular was ta'veren. She ends up being one of the most significant characters in term of the large-scale world events; being the first Dreamer in hundreds of years, becoming Amyrlin Seat and re-unifying the White Tower, purging the White Tower of Darkfriends, re-discovering a bunch of lost Talents, and finally playing a crucial role in Tarmon Gaiden. She's arguably as much or more of a fulcrum in the events of the Wheel of Time as Perrin is. Exactly; The whole point of ta'veren is that they cause the Pattern the Wheel weaves to bend and shape around them. In the books, the lads do this unconsciously.
Egwene did it through force of will without any natural advantages woven into the Wheel. Don't forget about Nynaeve's equally impressive feats that could arguably classify her as a ta'veren too...
Is a yellow ajah even though she prefers to unga bunga people to death, all the ta'veren fear her, cleansed Saidin of the dark one's corruption, and she married Lan.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 29, 2021 4:13:43 GMT
Exactly; The whole point of ta'veren is that they cause the Pattern the Wheel weaves to bend and shape around them. In the books, the lads do this unconsciously.
Egwene did it through force of will without any natural advantages woven into the Wheel. Don't forget about Nynaeve's equally impressives feats that could arguably classify her as a ta'veren...
Is a yellow ajah even though she prefers to unga bunga people to death, all the ta'veren fear her, cleansed Saidin of the dark one's corruption, and she married Lan. SUPER SPOILERS NON-BOOK READERS........... Nynaeve (spelling corrected, thank you, I am suitably chastised ) achieving those things is great, but I think her significant advantage in the Power over Egwene would actually count against her in the " ta'veren in all but name" discussion. She is so powerful that she should be doing these things. Egwene was strong - for modern day Aes Sedai - very strong, but she paled in comparison to Nynaeve. I don't actually object to either of them being considered ta'veren - I like it, in fact - but I think the case for Egwene is stronger, that's all.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 29, 2021 4:37:15 GMT
I read these books back to back in college. I would read each book in a couple of days, taking breaks to begrudgingly do homework or study, and then force myself to wait until the next weekend to get the next one. I gobbled them up until Crossroads of Twilight. I did read it, but I'm sure it took more than a few days I just realized my copy of CoT is gone, as is my copy of Towers of Midnight. I have no idea where the latter could have gone. You'd think it would be difficult to lose a hardcover book, but I managed to do it! Literally no-one would care about/be afraid of the Dragon Reborn if it were possible for them to be female. So I'm not sure what they're angling towards with the story tweaks there. In the show, most people don't seem that afraid of the Dragon, to be fair. The Aes Sedai are, but ordinary people don't even seem to be all that aware that the Dragon is a thing, let alone be afraid, so I guess if they think he could be a woman, that could explain the lack of fear.
Or not, I don't know. I agree it's kind of pointless.
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Post by Hier0phant on Nov 29, 2021 5:27:17 GMT
Don't forget about Nynaeve's equally impressives feats that could arguably classify her as a ta'veren...
Is a yellow ajah even though she prefers to unga bunga people to death, all the ta'veren fear her, cleansed Saidin of the dark one's corruption, and she married Lan. SUPER SPOILERS NON-BOOK READERS........... Nynaeve (spelling corrected, thank you, I am suitably chastised ) achieving those things is great, but I think her significant advantage in the Power over Egwene would actually count against her in the " ta'veren in all but name" discussion. She is so powerful that she should be doing these things. Egwene was strong - for modern day Aes Sedai - very strong, but she paled in comparison to Nynaeve. I don't actually object to either of them being considered ta'veren - I like it, in fact - but I think the case for Egwene is stronger, that's all. I think it's less about the potency or exoticism of their power, and more about the impact of their actions because the final battle would have been impossible to win without a unified white tower, and Saidin (asha'man) being cleansed. Though it can be argued that despite Nynaeve's, and Egwene's prodigious talent they were still only placed into position to achieve these feats due to their association with Rand.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 29, 2021 11:36:43 GMT
I actually just finished the series for the first time this year so I’m still pretty new to it What did you think of it? I read it originally as a teenager (aside from the last few, which hadn't been released yet) and so re-reading it as an adult its hard for me to separate the nostalgia factor and evaluate objectively/impartially, and I can never decide whether I'd have liked the series as much if I read it now vs. when I was so much younger (not to mention how much the fantasy genre overall has evolved since the 90s). I almost stopped after Eye of the World because it felt like every tropy fantasy story I’d ever consumed. Rand was generic, Mat was underdeveloped, Moirane was female Gandalf, Lan was barely a character despite a late reveal backstory, Egwene was full of herself, Nynaeve just came across extremely abrasive to me. I was interested by Perrin’s Wolf thing though.
The Great Hunt and The Dragon Reborn got more interesting, especially with the introduction of the Seanchan and Aiel. Though they did have that repeating plot structure where each book ended with a confrontation with Ba’alzaemon. I absolutely loved The Shadow Rising, that was when I committed myself to finishing the series.
Unfortunately all the books after that kind of blur together for me. Some plots like Rand’s stayed consistently interesting but other situations got drawn out and dragged. Mat eclipsed Perrin as my favorite. Broadly, I liked it, but it felt like I was going through a lot of material for minimal profit at times. I actually didn’t like the Last Battle, it was too much, too drawn out, descriptions became tiresome, the Sharans were abruptly introduced and insufficiently developed. In principle I’m okay with the ending, but it was a slog getting there.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 29, 2021 11:51:00 GMT
I’m liking the show so far. I actually just finished the series for the first time this year so I’m still pretty new to it. I’m content to view it as a new turning of the wheel, the events may only follow broad strokes of the books. One thing I’m concerned about them maintaining is the lore and magic system of the books. I’ve been a bit concerned about them pushing the idea that the Dragon could be male or female. Part of the reason everyone found the Dragon’s return so scary was because he would inevitably be an insane male channeler. It just sort of seems like an arbitrary and pointless change to make just to drum up a little additional mystery if it’s just going to be Rand anyway. Were you reading them uninterrupted? Or did you take breaks and read other things in between? And did you actually read Crossroads of Twilight..? Or did you fall asleep and just read the Wikipedia page on it's plot? Re: the ambiguity on the DR identity Yeah...not a whole lot to like about that (assuming Moiraine is not just obfuscating for the sake of it, which, frankly, is entirely in keeping with her personality and Aes Sedia in general. Literally no-one would care about/be afraid of the Dragon Reborn if it were possible for them to be female. So I'm not sure what they're angling towards with the story tweaks there.
All onboard with Egwene (and possibly Nyneave?) being ta'veren, though. Always felt they should've been, anyway, so this change is all positive, as far as I'm concerned. But ta'veren doesn't necessarily mean candidate for Dragon Reborn. It's like Highlander. There can be only one. I took some breaks for the early books (read something else) which took me a bit to get into, right up until The Shadow Rising. Everything after that is a bit of a blur though. I couldn’t tell you which events happened in which book without some hints. I’m also on board with the Ta’veren change, though that leads to the most confusing line in the show so far, that Moiraine has heard “rumors” of four Ta’veren in the Two Rivers… How?
That means someone had to go to the middle of nowhere Two Rivers, see all four demonstrate they are Ta’veren in some way, and for this to happen on separate occasions so there wasn’t confusion about how many there are. Those abilities got stronger over the series but they were weaker at the start. I have a hard time imagining how this highly specific rumor got started.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 29, 2021 15:34:36 GMT
Were you reading them uninterrupted? Or did you take breaks and read other things in between? And did you actually read Crossroads of Twilight..? Or did you fall asleep and just read the Wikipedia page on it's plot? Re: the ambiguity on the DR identity Yeah...not a whole lot to like about that (assuming Moiraine is not just obfuscating for the sake of it, which, frankly, is entirely in keeping with her personality and Aes Sedia in general. Literally no-one would care about/be afraid of the Dragon Reborn if it were possible for them to be female. So I'm not sure what they're angling towards with the story tweaks there.
All onboard with Egwene (and possibly Nyneave?) being ta'veren, though. Always felt they should've been, anyway, so this change is all positive, as far as I'm concerned. But ta'veren doesn't necessarily mean candidate for Dragon Reborn. It's like Highlander. There can be only one. I took some breaks for the early books (read something else) which took me a bit to get into, right up until The Shadow Rising. Everything after that is a bit of a blur though. I couldn’t tell you which events happened in which book without some hints. I’m also on board with the Ta’veren change, though that leads to the most confusing line in the show so far, that Moiraine has heard “rumors” of four Ta’veren in the Two Rivers… How?
That means someone had to go to the middle of nowhere Two Rivers, see all four demonstrate they are Ta’veren in some way, and for this to happen on separate occasions so there wasn’t confusion about how many there are. Those abilities got stronger over the series but they were weaker at the start. I have a hard time imagining how this highly specific rumor got started. I don't quite remember how it was in the books now but didn't the servants of the dark one specifically send Padan Fain down into the Two Rivers because they had hints that the Dragon might be there? IIRC, it was Fain who then alerted the Dark One's forces and that's why the Trollocs, the Fade and the Draghkar take the chance to travel the ways and show up there. Or did Fain just stumble upon the boys? I think it could at least be that there are rumors about Tam, finding a strange kid on the slopes of Dragon Mount after the battle there and taking it down to the Two Rivers. Granted, that has nothing to do with tar'veren per se but maybe it is supposed to be some twisted version of that.
To be honest, I found the concept of tar'veren always a bit weird, so i don't really care who is one and who isn't. If I had to make a distinction though, I'd say the reason why - in the books - Egwene (and Nynaeve) aren't tar'veren is precisely because - as someone said earlier here - they have to bend the threads of the pattern through their force of will. They need to make the effort and could have chosen otherwise. If they hadn't made the effort to go with Moirane (follow her in Nynaeve's case), they could as well have been wisdoms in Emmond's Field for a while and just have seen events from that perspective.
In the case of Rand, Mat and Perrin however, no matter what they actively do, the Wheel would have spun some weird shit around them regardless. They don't have to make an effort to be in the center of everyone's attention. In fact, they spend a lot of time trying to prevent it, it just doesn't work out because life (a.k.a. the pattern) throws events at them all the time (it gets pretty ridiculous when Rand travels to Tear in book 3 and causes mass weddings, fires, etc. in his wake in the villages he travels through).
So no, I don't think Egwene becoming the Armyrlin Seat or achieving all that she does makes her tar'veren. Maybe the dreamer thing might be one indication but otherwise, she is just a very talented and determined person. But apparently in the show it's supposed to be different, we'll see how they incorporate all that.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 29, 2021 15:39:43 GMT
So, the internet says the relationship between Moiraine and Lan is purely a platonic kind of love. And they'll both get involved with different people. My friend remembered it wrong and got my hopes up for an epic slow burn romance and now I'm super disappointed. And I admit, I'm a little less interested in the series right now, lol. Sorry, can't help it. They have great chemistry. I was on board! So on board! I assume Lan is going to hook up with Nynaeve. Not a fan of that. She's like half his age? Don't see the chemistry yet. Maybe I can be swayed... Guess I'll have to watch the show for... the story? Oh, the horror!
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 29, 2021 15:44:49 GMT
So, the internet says the relationship between Moiraine and Lan is purely a platonic kind of love. And they'll both get involved with different people. My friend remembered it wrong and got my hopes up for an epic slow burn romance and now I'm super disappointed. And I admit, I'm a little less interested in the series right now, lol. Sorry, can't help it. They have great chemistry. I was on board! So on board! I assume Lan is going to hook up with Nynaeve. Not a fan of that. She's like half his age? Don't see the chemistry yet. Maybe I can be swayed... Guess I'll have to watch the show for... the story? Oh, the horror! Ah, I see you got spoiled on that one already (wasn't saying anything to that on purpose before). But yea, might be better to crush those hopes early.
Well,knowing how that romance plays out in the books, they certainly have an opportunity to get some very good scenes in there, especially between Moirane and Lan.
Also, maybe we'll see some flashbacks to how Moirane and Lan met (describt in the prequel novel "New Spring" which could be rather fun as well).
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 29, 2021 16:14:58 GMT
So, the internet says the relationship between Moiraine and Lan is purely a platonic kind of love. And they'll both get involved with different people. My friend remembered it wrong and got my hopes up for an epic slow burn romance and now I'm super disappointed. And I admit, I'm a little less interested in the series right now, lol. Sorry, can't help it. They have great chemistry. I was on board! So on board! I assume Lan is going to hook up with Nynaeve. Not a fan of that. She's like half his age? Don't see the chemistry yet. Maybe I can be swayed... Guess I'll have to watch the show for... the story? Oh, the horror! Ah, I see you got spoiled on that one already (wasn't saying anything to that on purpose before). But yea, might be better to crush those hopes early.
Well,knowing how that romance plays out in the books, they certainly have an opportunity to get some very good scenes in there, especially between Moirane and Lan.
Also, maybe we'll see some flashbacks to how Moirane and Lan met (describt in the prequel novel "New Spring" which could be rather fun as well).
I looked it up, actually. Was curious if this was a popular ship. Only to find out that it's not a thing at all. Which confused me because of what my friend told me. I'm rather crushed, lol. Might not get over it. But maybe I'll warm up to Nynaeve at some point. And I'll have my Lan eye candy in any case. There are shows I only watch for the chemistry between the characters and will-they-wont-they is a cheap trick that sadly works on me like a charm. So when my friend said slow burn painful romance of two people who won't admit their feelings, I went "omfg, it's perfect!". Need some time to recover from that dream not come true, haha.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 21:16:32 GMT
Ah, I see you got spoiled on that one already (wasn't saying anything to that on purpose before). But yea, might be better to crush those hopes early. Well,knowing how that romance plays out in the books, they certainly have an opportunity to get some very good scenes in there, especially between Moirane and Lan. Also, maybe we'll see some flashbacks to how Moirane and Lan met (describt in the prequel novel "New Spring" which could be rather fun as well).
I looked it up, actually. Was curious if this was a popular ship. Only to find out that it's not a thing at all. Which confused me because of what my friend told me. I'm rather crushed, lol. Might not get over it. But maybe I'll warm up to Nynaeve at some point. And I'll have my Lan eye candy in any case. There are shows I only watch for the chemistry between the characters and will-they-wont-they is a cheap trick that sadly works on me like a charm. So when my friend said slow burn painful romance of two people who won't admit their feelings, I went "omfg, it's perfect!". Need some time to recover from that dream not come true, haha. For what it's worth I really liked, and am liking, the relationship between Nynaeve and Lan. I never really considered their respective ages, still not that big a deal to me. (I had a fling with a 35yr old woman when I was 23, stuff happens.) In the show so far I'm finding it interesting how they're portraying Moiraine and Lan's relationship. The kind where they feel comfortable getting naked and sitting in a tub together without having sex. That said, they aren't quite what I would describe as 'family' either. They're closer. Intense mutual respect but also understanding of each-others quirks and flaws. Hopefully we'll get to see more, particularly when some strife shows up between them in various ways. Despite my handle I like relationships that aren't all fuckit. (Give me WAWRNING PONTS!1!!11!)*** All the spoilers below. Episodes, books, stuff I made up on the spot. Spoiled. (it gets pretty ridiculous when Rand travel to Tier in book 3 and causes mass weddings, fires, etc. in his wake in the villages he travels through). So no, I don't think Egwene becoming the Armyrlin Seat or achieving all that she does makes her tar'veren. Maybe the dreamer thing might be one indication but otherwise, she is just a very talented and determined person. But apparently in the show it's supposed to be different, we'll see how they incorporate all that. Seems to make sense, having an impactful life isn't the same as being ta'veren. Good take on it. *** Touching on how the darkfriends found them in the first place. I also don't remember if it's mentioned specifically or not that Fain tipped off the eyeless. I do believe he'd be the one to notice oddities. He was traveling there for a bit. These "rumours" could have to do with a few things... - Darkfriends could've been told to be on the lookout for Ta'veren specifically. (Ie. Batshit random stuff happening.) - Nynaeve's already impressive ability to heal as a wilder. - Rand's Dad's past, sword, etc. He could've slipped up without even noticed when bargaining with Fain for instance. Hell, his walk could've tipped him off. I remember Jordan always going on about how his badass sword fighters "walked like stalking wolves" etc etc etc blah blah blah... - Someone in the village was also a darkfriend and did all the spying for Fain. (Dun dun dun.) Actual thieving and sneaking into houses. (I baked you a cake, here's some soup, yeah go ahead I'll just have a look around while you put it away... oh hey nice sword you're polishing there.) - The literal warping of the ta'veren could be felt, tracked, or noticed somehow. This would be from someone who is quite powerful. The rumour that there's ta'veren in the Two Rivers could literally just be one of the Forsaken, or Shaitan himself telling one of them, that there's something off in the Two Rivers and to investigate it. That information gets passed along and eventually makes its way to Moiraine via her own agents. Just some shots in the dark, it'd have been nice to get some quick confirmation but oh well.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 29, 2021 21:30:58 GMT
I looked it up, actually. Was curious if this was a popular ship. Only to find out that it's not a thing at all. Which confused me because of what my friend told me. I'm rather crushed, lol. Might not get over it. But maybe I'll warm up to Nynaeve at some point. And I'll have my Lan eye candy in any case. There are shows I only watch for the chemistry between the characters and will-they-wont-they is a cheap trick that sadly works on me like a charm. So when my friend said slow burn painful romance of two people who won't admit their feelings, I went "omfg, it's perfect!". Need some time to recover from that dream not come true, haha. For what it's worth I really liked, and am liking, the relationship between Nynaeve and Lan. I never really considered their respective ages, still not that big a deal to me. (I had a fling with a 35yr old woman when I was 23, stuff happens.) In the show so far I'm finding it interesting how they're portraying Moiraine and Lan's relationship. The kind where they feel comfortable getting naked and sitting in a tub together without having sex. That said, they aren't quite what I would describe as 'family' either. They're closer. Intense mutual respect but also understanding of each-others quirks and flaws. Hopefully we'll get to see more, particularly when some strife shows up between them in various ways. Despite my handle I like relationships that aren't all fuckit. (Give me WAWRNING PONTS!1!!11!)*** All the spoilers below. Episodes, books, stuff I made up on the spot. Spoiled. (it gets pretty ridiculous when Rand travel to Tier in book 3 and causes mass weddings, fires, etc. in his wake in the villages he travels through). So no, I don't think Egwene becoming the Armyrlin Seat or achieving all that she does makes her tar'veren. Maybe the dreamer thing might be one indication but otherwise, she is just a very talented and determined person. But apparently in the show it's supposed to be different, we'll see how they incorporate all that. Seems to make sense, having an impactful life isn't the same as being ta'veren. Good take on it. *** Touching on how the darkfriends found them in the first place. I also don't remember if it's mentioned specifically or not that Fain tipped off the eyeless. I do believe he'd be the one to notice oddities. He was traveling there for a bit. These "rumours" could have to do with a few things... - Darkfriends could've been told to be on the lookout for Ta'veren specifically. (Ie. Batshit random stuff happening.) - Nynaeve's already impressive ability to heal as a wilder. - Rand's Dad's past, sword, etc. He could've slipped up without even noticed when bargaining with Fain for instance. Hell, his walk could've tipped him off. I remember Jordan always going on about how his badass sword fighters "walked like stalking wolves" etc etc etc blah blah blah... - Someone in the village was also a darkfriend and did all the spying for Fain. (Dun dun dun.) Actual thieving and sneaking into houses. (I baked you a cake, here's some soup, yeah go ahead I'll just have a look around while you put it away... oh hey nice sword you're polishing there.) - The literal warping of the ta'veren could be felt, tracked, or noticed somehow. This would be from someone who is quite powerful. The rumour that there's ta'veren in the Two Rivers could literally just be one of the Forsaken, or Shaitan himself telling one of them, that there's something off in the Two Rivers and to investigate it. That information gets passed along and eventually makes its way to Moiraine via her own agents. Just some shots in the dark, it'd have been nice to get some quick confirmation but oh well. RE Lan, Moirane and Nynaeve (mild book spoiler no that topic only): I hope we'll get to the point in the show when Moirane starts teasing Lan with handing him off to another sister in the case of her death. They have a some pretty good (and funny) arguments on that one in the books RE ta'vreen rumors in the Two Rivers: Yes, those are all very plausible possibilities and not only the dark friends are actively looking for these signs but also Moirane and Lan. So with all these possibilities of multiple people noticing things, I don't think it's too strange that Moirane drops a line about rumors in the show there. So it didn't bother me.
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Post by Hier0phant on Nov 30, 2021 0:50:32 GMT
I wonder if they'll tone down the Seanchan's culture or do the opposite by making them go full dom, suits and all.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 30, 2021 20:08:00 GMT
I wonder if they'll tone down the Seanchan's culture or do the opposite by making them go full dom, suits and all. One can hope But, more seriously; Assuming the Seanchan feature (and, while they added to the clusterfuckery of the books, they might actually be a distraction in the show), I think they're more likely to tone down than play up. Hope I'm wrong, but am comfortably prepared - I think - for any Seanchan we see to be less...evoking...of reactions than the book ones were.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Dec 1, 2021 14:42:03 GMT
I wonder if they'll tone down the Seanchan's culture or do the opposite by making them go full dom, suits and all. One can hope But, more seriously; Assuming the Seanchan feature (and, while they added to the clusterfuckery of the books, they might actually be a distraction in the show), I think they're more likely to tone down than play up. Hope I'm wrong, but am comfortably prepared - I think - for any Seanchan we see to be less...evoking...of reactions than the book ones were. Kinda like the red leather-clad. Dark Lord of the (erm, excuse me) I mean, Mordsith (Tabrett Bethel) from The Sword of Truth All that leather.....❤😍
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 1, 2021 18:56:31 GMT
One can hope But, more seriously; Assuming the Seanchan feature (and, while they added to the clusterfuckery of the books, they might actually be a distraction in the show), I think they're more likely to tone down than play up. Hope I'm wrong, but am comfortably prepared - I think - for any Seanchan we see to be less...evoking...of reactions than the book ones were. Kinda like the red leather-clad. Dark Lord of the (erm, excuse me) I mean, Mordsith (Tabrett Bethel) from The Sword of Truth All that leather.....❤😍 Yes, Wheel of Time fans are well aware of Terry Goodkind. How he didn't write fantasy, but "important human themes". Or that if you noticed any similarities between WoT and The Sword of Truth, you "weren't old enough to read his books".
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Dec 1, 2021 19:29:40 GMT
I bought all of the original 11 books from Wizard's First Rule to Chain Fire....and what a colossal mistake that was! I could barely get through half of the first book-- it was just horrible. And the fact that for about the last decade now he has continually promised "THIS will be the last book"........ "No no, THIS, THIS is the last book. Ever." And yet he has always disappointed people and broken his promise by writing YET ANOTHER Sword of Truth/Richard & Kalen novel, and with each story that promised to be the last he would kill off either Richard or Kalen in a way that they possibly couldn't come back from. And then a new book arrives and *POOF* Richard and/or Kalen is alive and well.
But after dredging through barely half of the first book, I swore off Terry Goodkind and have vowed never to read another book.
But I really enjoyed the TV. Series
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 1, 2021 23:43:48 GMT
I read a few of the Sword of Truth books in high school. I don't even remember how many I read. I think I liked them at first, but there was a scene where one of the magic women made a man cut off and eat his own testicles, and I gave up on the books. It was gross and awful just for the sake of being gross and awful.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 1, 2021 23:47:30 GMT
I read a few of the Sword of Truth books in high school. I don't even remember how many I read. I think I liked them at first, but there was a scene were one of the magic women made a man cut off and eat his own testicles, and I gave up on the books. It was gross and awful just for the sake of being gross and awful. You...you didn't appreciate that sequence? Weird. Unrelated note; anyone know how to cancel an email to someone with your fanfic link...?
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 3, 2021 3:13:52 GMT
So Episode 5: They just skipped Caemlyn! I did not expect them to just totally skip Caemlyn. Ok, to be more precise, they kinda substituted a premature visit to Tar Valon for it. I guess it's fair that they wanted to put Tar Valon in the story earlier than in the books but still, they are diverging A LOT at this point. Similar to the "Foundation" series, it might actually be a good thing to get a more clear seperation between the series and the books. So they can each be their own thing. I am not really over it yet though. Positives: - Mat looks properly sick. They are doing well with him. - Nynaeve to me remains one of the coolest characters in the show for now. She is kinda improved from the books. - White Tower politics remains to be depicted well so far. Neutral/unsure: - Perrin and the wolves: Kinda cool introduction there but he almost seemed to know what exactly was going on and kinda ok with it (granted, they were running for their lives there and the wolves helped). In the books, he seemed much more confused in the beginning and more freaked out about it for a long time. - Loial: Overall, his depiction is ok I think. His demeanor is pretty much as I imagined it. Visually, I am not fully sold though. Didn't he have huge animal like ears in the books, which stood up or drooped, depending on his mood (kinda like dogs ears would)? I didn't really see any ears on him so far, just hair. Also, I imagined him way bigger. IIRC, Rand shouldn't even reach his shoulder height. There were moments when they almost looked to be of the same size. - The episode was kinda Warder-centric, which surprised me. It's interesting they are focusing on the warders so much. They never really seemed to be more than a side note in the earlier books. There is some cool stuff there, some good, some not that great IMO. Negatives: - Did I mention they skipped Caemlyn? What about Elaine the visit with the queen and Elaida? There is a lot of stuff missing there, which they'll need to catch up on later. - Lan is way too emotional for me in the show. In the books, he was this super stoic dude and if he raised an eyebrow, it was basically like another person falling over laughing or things like that. Here, he seems almost unhinged. Yea, there certainly is a lot of emotional stuff happening there but still, I'd have preferred to see stoic Lan, also as a counterpoint to the boys. - The White Tower looks underwhelming to me. Isn't it supposed to be this almost miraculous leftover building from the Age of Legends or something? I really expected sort of the light side answer to Barad Dur from the LotR movies. Some huge skyscraper like tower, we can barely see the tip of. Instead, we get this kinda rounded blobby tall building. I mean, I get that it's still huge but it's not nearly as impressive as it could have been. We kinda knew that already from the trailers but seeing more shots of it now, I am yet again a bit underwhelmed. - I feel like they are getting quite a few of the pronunciations wrong. In both the (old) audio books and the video game from 2001 (both on which Robert Jordan himself consulted), it's pronounced Tar VAlon. Here they saying Tar va LON, with the emphasis on the last syllable. the was already the case for what I knew as SHAdar LOgoth and they are pronouncing it sha DAR lo GOTH. And again for Loial, who in the audio books is pronounced like the word "loyal", here, he introduces himself as loi AL. It might just be unfamiliar but still, it bothers me. So in conclusion, after a very nice episode 4, this one is a bit of a step down again IMO, still fairly solid but a step down. And we are definitely in uncharted territory now. Very curious about the next one though. Didn't Brandon Sanderson say we should look out for episode 6 and that it was his favorite script? Also very curious to meet Siuan Sanche. If they make her half as cool as she is in the books, she is gonna be a hoot (just saying "Fish guts!!!!").
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