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Post by outlaworacle on Aug 16, 2017 16:22:39 GMT
Like a lot of people, I'm a bit torn about Andromeda. There were some great bits and lots of things about the game I liked, but there were also some terrible bits and plenty of things that I didn't.
I tore through each entry of the OT as fast as I could and then spent countless hours replaying the entire series. I'm not even going to try and guess how many playthroughs. Too many.
With Andromeda, I struggled. I abandoned several playthroughs out of boredom and just generally... I just didn't feel compelled to keep playing. If anything, I felt overwhelmed by all the drivel and sidequesting. Although the actual fighting was a ton of fun and many of the big quests were challenging and epic, the pacing is so off and many times playing the game felt more like a chore than fun.
Anyway, I did finally take a Ryder alllll the way through, did pretty much everything, I think I had 93% completion, maybe even a bit more. When I got to the Epilogue my feeling was like "crap there's more?!" where as normally I love a little breathing room at the end of the game. I loved the DA:O epilogue and it always kills me to walk out that door and let the game end and my feelings at the end of Andromeda were quite different.
So now I'm moving on to some other games but I wonder about replaying Andromeda a little ways down the line and if I would enjoy it more. Some of my favorite games were not my favorites the first time.
I wonder about you guys who have done multiple runs, do you feel like you come to know and love the game better? I just don't see much replay value as there's very few choices, Ryder is pretty much the same character no matter what (it seems to me, anyway) and with the freeform skilltree I feel like I got a good taste of all playstyles (although I did pretty much stick with Vanguard).
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2017 16:26:34 GMT
I've never really understood how sidequests -- which, by definition, you don't need to do -- can be a problem. It's not like DAI where you need a minimum of Power. Though some of them can cause RP issues if that Ryder really would do a mission that the player doesn't want to do.
Pacing is another matter. OW games generally require the player to manage pacing himself. This is harder when you don't know the plot, so it does get better on subsequent runs.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Aug 16, 2017 16:32:35 GMT
Honestly I have to say my opinion of the game has declined on subsequent playthroughs. I really enjoyed my first playthrough but have struggled with 2nd and 3rd attempts. It just seems like I'm doing all the same things. I felt there were not enough major choices or diverging paths that made me want to go back to see what would happen. Also Ryder's dialogue options just aren't varied enough to feel all that different. So it has been pretty disappointing for me, because I did like it the first playthrough. Most BioWare games I enjoy at least 2 playthroughs and often many more.
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Post by qwib on Aug 16, 2017 16:35:03 GMT
I did enjoy the second run more, since I played it on Insanity as a Vanguard and I really don't like games if they are no challange at all.
And of course, I ran into some problems Story wise, because I cleared every map instantly, since it was too easy and I kind of ran into some logical problems. So I avoided that, since my weak ass Vanguard couldn't clear everything in the first go.
So yeah, second run is most of the time better.
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Post by outlaworacle on Aug 16, 2017 16:35:07 GMT
I've never really understood how sidequests -- which, by definition, you don't need to do -- can be a problem. It's not like DAI where you need a minimum of Power. Though some of them can cause RP issues if that Ryder really would do a mission that the player doesn't want to do. Pacing is another matter. OW games generally require the player to manage pacing himself. This is harder when you don't know the plot, so it does get better on subsequent runs. You hit the nail on the head, there. You control the pacing on your own and it's sometimes hard to tell which sidequests are important and which aren't. Sometimes even just the "go kill X number of whatevers" turn into something plot related. Part of it is just my playstyle; I'm used to mopping up most sidequests between main missions but even with the "Priority Ops" designation it was hard to tell which ones were going to matter and which weren't. And then so many getting put 'on hold' it just made the story seemed scattered and hard to to track. Like you say, though, once you've done them you can sort of create the order you want to do things, and you know which ones to ignore... in general, though, I just feel like there was actually TOO MUCH STUFF of no consequence. I wish the zots that went into developing that had been spent on beefing up the core story of the game.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 16, 2017 16:35:10 GMT
About a 3rd of the way through a second play through and enjoying it more than the first - mainly because I am more relaxed about what to do and ignore.
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Post by outlaworacle on Aug 16, 2017 16:39:00 GMT
Honestly I have to say my opinion of the game has declined on subsequent playthroughs. I really enjoyed my first playthrough but have struggled with 2nd and 3rd attempts. It just seems like I'm doing all the same things. I felt there were not enough major choices or diverging paths that made me want to go back to see what would happen. Also Ryder's dialogue options just aren't varied enough to feel all that different. So it has been pretty disappointing for me, because I did like it the first playthrough. Most BioWare games I enjoy at least 2 playthroughs and often many more. Yeah, that's my other thing. I feel like Ryder is Ryder is Ryder. Your reactions can vary a little bit but I don't think Ryder has the same versatility as Shepard. And Shepard really only had 4 personalities you could go with at best.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 16, 2017 16:40:15 GMT
About a 3rd of the way through a second play through and enjoying it more than the first - mainly because I am more relaxed about what to do and ignore. I am enjoying this run more, finding quests I missed the first time. Though I've put it down for a while and am playing DAO. Not because the game is bad but I'm just a tad depressed about it right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 16:44:22 GMT
Liked my second PT more than the first, as I played a personality & romance I liked better. Waiting to hear on DLC for the third, so dunno. Overall, I usually play games twice. I think I will start with ME1 if there is no DLC, so I might enjoy third run more, as it will be a part of an epic.
EDIT: I also absolutely loved it how Nomad was awesome from the start and I did not have to scramble for gear the second time. On my third run, I have pretty much everything I could possibly want in my inventory, b/c I play MP in the meantime and Strikes. So, no more picking nodes, lol.
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Post by outlaworacle on Aug 16, 2017 16:48:23 GMT
I did enjoy the second run more, since I played it on Insanity as a Vanguard and I really don't like games if they are no challange at all. And of course, I ran into some problems Story wise, because I cleared every map instantly, since it was too easy and I kind of ran into some logical problems. So I avoided that, since my weak ass Vanguard couldn't clear everything in the first go. So yeah, second run is most of the time better. You feel like Vanguard is weak? I played as Vanguard for most of the game and pretty much squashed everything. What did you play as the first time?
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 16, 2017 16:57:02 GMT
I've done more than a few playthroughs and the game seems to work best when you are sticking with the main plot/companion missions/100% planet viability missions. In my current playthrough, I've pretty much avoided some of the initial Nexus missions like "First Murderer" and "Station Sabotage"and got right down to Eos to activate the vaults. Playing the main planet missions, companion missions and main missions usually puts me right between 40-50 hrs and makes for tighter narrative experience.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 16, 2017 17:07:20 GMT
My favorite is the speedrun. Its nice to not listen to anyone or anything. Just get through the game. Nothing else matters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 17:53:13 GMT
I generally enjoy a SP campaign more the second time around anyway.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 16, 2017 18:57:52 GMT
Three complete playthroughs enjoyed it more and more.
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Post by qwib on Aug 16, 2017 19:03:35 GMT
I did enjoy the second run more, since I played it on Insanity as a Vanguard and I really don't like games if they are no challange at all. And of course, I ran into some problems Story wise, because I cleared every map instantly, since it was too easy and I kind of ran into some logical problems. So I avoided that, since my weak ass Vanguard couldn't clear everything in the first go. So yeah, second run is most of the time better. You feel like Vanguard is weak? I played as Vanguard for most of the game and pretty much squashed everything. What did you play as the first time? No. I didn't say that at all. I said that normal difficulty is too easy and the Storyline didn't make sense at times, because I had beaten everything too early. [Edit: You mean the weak ass Vanguard comment? Yeah well I started Vanguard on Insanity at lvl 1, it's not OP at lvl1. lol]
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Post by outlaworacle on Aug 16, 2017 19:19:46 GMT
You feel like Vanguard is weak? I played as Vanguard for most of the game and pretty much squashed everything. What did you play as the first time? No. I didn't say that at all. I said that normal difficulty is too easy and the Storyline didn't make sense at times, because I had beaten everything too early. [Edit: You mean the weak ass Vanguard comment? Yeah well I started Vanguard on Insanity at lvl 1, it's not OP at lvl1. lol]
Yes! LOL, that's what I was curious about. I get it now. I don't know why it's forcing me to type inside the quote box, but it is.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 16, 2017 19:50:17 GMT
About the same I'd say. The second PT is better in that I understand the quest design better and therefore have a better idea what and how to do things and what to prioritize. That really helps the flow and pacing but IMO it's also a bit of a shame that you need to learn the game's design intentions for it to really work well. On the other hand, going through all the dialogue again makes it even more clear now how little influence I have on Ryder as I cannot really change much about what s/he says but only how things are said. In that sense, while there were some indications already, there was some blissful ignorance in my first PT there. Also of course, the fact that the plot and everything was new also helped the ifrst one.
All in all, I'd say both PTs come out as about even matched so far. That said, I paused my second PT now to do other stuff. I'll need to find some more motivation to actually finish it but I do intend to do it eventually.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 16, 2017 19:54:49 GMT
It inclined slightly, between a 2nd view and patches. It'll only incline somewhat to a lot with DLC. A stongly 7/10 became a weaker 7/10 (as in closer to 8).
I can't give you my full review since I've taken a break to play Secret World Legends, but I intend on getting it all done (as well as max out Silver/Uncommons in MP) by the end of the year.
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Post by Curious Crow on Aug 16, 2017 19:58:40 GMT
About the same, but knowing how to pace things out is a plus. Granted, skipping sidequest doesn't bother me much (haven't even looked at the architects), so I can spread them between playthroughs like butter. Same with combat abilities, so each run has a different ability load out and learning how to use them. So still having fun.
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Post by kino on Aug 16, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
My third was the most fun because I ran into a few things I hadn't seen before, but that made my completionist fourth play through more enjoyable.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 21:43:17 GMT
Finished my second playthrough, didn't bother with the tasks very much. I enjoyed it for the most part, though the first hour or so felt like a chore. After Eos, the game started to open up. I go for casual/logical Ryder.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 21:47:38 GMT
Honestly I have to say my opinion of the game has declined on subsequent playthroughs. I really enjoyed my first playthrough but have struggled with 2nd and 3rd attempts. It just seems like I'm doing all the same things. I felt there were not enough major choices or diverging paths that made me want to go back to see what would happen. Also Ryder's dialogue options just aren't varied enough to feel all that different. So it has been pretty disappointing for me, because I did like it the first playthrough. Most BioWare games I enjoy at least 2 playthroughs and often many more. Yeah, that's my other thing. I feel like Ryder is Ryder is Ryder. Your reactions can vary a little bit but I don't think Ryder has the same versatility as Shepard. And Shepard really only had 4 personalities you could go with at best. What would be nice is if they combined the Tone Wheel thing with the Paragon/Renegade thing. If done correctly, it could result in different NPC's either liking or hating Ryder whilst also allowing for the return of the morality system, therefore allowing for much more roleplaying. (Charm and intimidate should be skills that you invest points into, but aren't required to complete objectives or get the best ending.)
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 16, 2017 22:00:12 GMT
I did enjoy the second run more, since I played it on Insanity as a Vanguard and I really don't like games if they are no challange at all. And of course, I ran into some problems Story wise, because I cleared every map instantly, since it was too easy and I kind of ran into some logical problems. So I avoided that, since my weak ass Vanguard couldn't clear everything in the first go. So yeah, second run is most of the time better. You feel like Vanguard is weak? I played as Vanguard for most of the game and pretty much squashed everything. What did you play as the first time? I can't pretend to know what they mean by being weak, but I can say from my own experience that in Andromeda all profiles and skills sets have been raised up to be more in line and just as powerful as the Vanguard. So while Vanguard offered a unique play style of being up close and personal with a high risk, high reward class over all other classes. It has now become just another spec and as homogenized as all the rest. Since all the other spec builds can do the same high damage.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 22:02:04 GMT
You feel like Vanguard is weak? I played as Vanguard for most of the game and pretty much squashed everything. What did you play as the first time? I can't pretend to know what they mean by being weak, but I can say from my own experience that in Andromeda all profiles and skills sets have been raised up to be more in line and just as powerful as the Vanguard. So while Vanguard offered a unique play style of being up close and personal with a high risk, high reward class over all other classes. It has now become just another spec and as homogenized as all the rest. Since all the other spec builds can do the same high damage. Didn't biotics in general get nerfed in Andromeda? (By this I mean biotics were less powerful in general compared to ME2 and ME3.)
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 16, 2017 22:09:15 GMT
I can't pretend to know what they mean by being weak, but I can say from my own experience that in Andromeda all profiles and skills sets have been raised up to be more in line and just as powerful as the Vanguard. So while Vanguard offered a unique play style of being up close and personal with a high risk, high reward class over all other classes. It has now become just another spec and as homogenized as all the rest. Since all the other spec builds can do the same high damage. Didn't biotics in general get nerfed in Andromeda? (By this I mean biotics were less powerful in general compared to ME2 and ME3.) I can't really say myself because I'm one of those people that didn't like the fact that they removed Warp from the biotic class as a priming skill. And what they offer as a substitute really isn't my play style. I got a level 132 character and I still haven't played with the biotic aspect of the game since I have found the Tech profile and skills to be more rewarding. But from watching videos of the class they do appear to still do a great deal of damage.
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