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Post by duckley on Aug 20, 2017 0:18:44 GMT
They should honor their fans, provide a dlc and move onto MEA2 While that's a nice sentiment, it's simply not how business works. I'd like to see BioWare continue with a sequel to Mass Effect Andromeda, but I don't see it happening for probably five years. I have no problem waiting 5 years for MEA2... I do have a problem with producing and selling me a fun game, leaving all kinds of unanswered threads to tie, and then 5 month later saying "that's all folks". I feel like a sucker.
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Post by VillainousVale on Aug 20, 2017 0:40:29 GMT
I'd say the franchise needs to rest for a bit, but I don't think any amount of time off would be long enough for people to get over MEA. And even if after a number of years they decided to make another mass effect game I don't know how I'd feel about it, personally. Anything set in the MW would just seem like an attempt to cover up Andromeda and erase mistakes, but an Andromeda sequel would have to be utterly flawless in order to be successful.
Needless to say, I'm very conflicted. Part of me thinks they should just let mass effect officially die, while another part wants them to try to continue.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 20, 2017 0:43:37 GMT
I'd say the franchise needs to rest for a bit, but I don't think any amount of time off would be long enough for people to get over MEA. And even if after a number of years they decided to make another mass effect game I don't know how I'd feel about it, personally. Anything set in the MW would just seem like an attempt to cover up Andromeda and erase mistakes, but an Andromeda sequel would have to be utterly flawless in order to be successful. Needless to say, I'm very conflicted. Part of me thinks they should just let mass effect officially die, while another part wants them to try to continue. You don't think Andromeda was a way to cover up the MW issues with ME3?
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Post by VillainousVale on Aug 20, 2017 0:58:33 GMT
You don't think Andromeda was a way to cover up the MW issues with ME3? No I agree, it totally was. Bioware realized they couldn't make another game in the MW without having to justify the ME3 endings and make one of them canon, so they took the easy way out and went to another galaxy all together. Andromeda had a lot of potential, but in the end they made more mistakes in trying to cover up their initial mistakes. So if they went and returned to the MW again, I feel like history would be doomed to repeat itself and I'd rather not see them start having to backtrack and try to right their wrongs after every single game. I'm thinking very pessimistically at this point, since the last time I tried to be optimistic it didn't go very well.
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Post by ariatloak on Aug 20, 2017 0:58:42 GMT
I'm really torn. I think Andromeda should have been shelved for another three years. It could have been really good if they actually created an interesting story with the Jardan and the building a new galaxy aspect. I still think a sequel could be really good, even one continuing basically where we left off. But at the same time I think the fact they're not even making dlc suggests MEA is effectively unsalvageable.
I don't really know what a sequel to me3 would be, either. Honestly "to escape the reapers, a group of MW races travel to Andromeda to start a new life" is a better story idea than anything I can think of post me3.
So honestly they should probably just retire the franchise.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 20, 2017 0:58:46 GMT
I know I would prefer a sequel but for that to be even remotely realistic it needs to happen sometime in the next 3 years, 4 max (and that probably won't happen with Anthem and Dragon Age in the works already). What I think will happen however, is that they'll shelve Mass Effect for at least that amount of time. Maybe they'll release a remastered edition of the ME trilogy in the meantime, then reboot the series again. This being EA, they might go full online multiplayer on us. That would really spell the end for ME.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 20, 2017 1:08:42 GMT
You don't think Andromeda was a way to cover up the MW issues with ME3? No I agree, it totally was. Bioware realized they couldn't make another game in the MW without having to justify the ME3 endings and make one of them canon, so they took the easy way out and went to another galaxy all together. Andromeda had a lot of potential, but in the end they made more mistakes in trying to cover up their initial mistakes. So if they went and returned to the MW again, I feel like history would be doomed to repeat itself and I'd rather not see them start having to backtrack and try to right their wrongs after every single game. I'm thinking very pessimistically at this point, since the last time I tried to be optimistic it didn't go very well. I think they're backed into a corner no matter what. The MW has bad blood, Andromeda now has bad blood, going a new direction will give a cop-out impression to people, and trying to fix either galaxy could backfire and get even worse. They could wait ten years and people will still remember, it probably would be best to retire the franchise and just start a new ip or focus on what else they have.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 20, 2017 1:14:09 GMT
Reboot. Go back to the Milky Way, back to the stylistic roots, back to the old themes and atmosphere. I'm a proponent of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only thing that was broke about the ME Trilogy was the ending to the third game. Until that happened, complaints were few and far in between. Take advantage of that. Take what worked and apply it to make another game. Whether it's a sequel to ME3 or something else entirely, it doesn't matter. Andromeda was one attempt. It doesn't need to be the only attempt. Let's try something a little different and see where it goes.
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Post by VillainousVale on Aug 20, 2017 1:14:57 GMT
I think they're backed into a corner no matter what. The MW has bad blood, Andromeda now has bad blood, going a new direction will give a cop-out impression to people, and trying to fix either galaxy could backfire and get even worse. They could wait ten years and people will still remember, it probably would be best to retire the franchise and just start a new ip or focus on what else they have. Yep, I'm just hoping at this point that Dragon Age doesn't eventually suffer the same fate.
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Post by Astralify on Aug 20, 2017 1:16:11 GMT
Yep. Only what the suits want matters, which is money. And they made their money, and they could make more of it, but you people who want people like me to die yelled louder than everyone else and gaming journalists were happy to be your megaphone. Thank you all for that. I might be a bit stupid or something, but I don't care about how much money the suits made. What I do care, is good games/creations, that are made with care, love, passion and imagination. - - - I kinda have a hard time believing that, but people wanted you to die? Really? Sounds like you are exaggerating quite a bit. I've witnessed some of your comments, and I've noticed that you are the one that was wishing bad things to people. I would like to ask you not to take things so personal. It has nothing to do with you. What happened with the Mass Effect franchise was very unfortunate, and I'm talking about how the game (andromeda) turned out. Everything that happened after was a simple cause and effect. A cosmic balance. Also, try to be more loving and forgiving. Be the one you want to see in others.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 20, 2017 1:42:18 GMT
Reboot. Go back to the Milky Way, back to the stylistic roots, back to the old themes and atmosphere. I'm a proponent of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only thing that was broke about the ME Trilogy was the ending to the third game. Until that happened, complaints were few and far in between. Take advantage of that. Take what worked and apply it to make another game. Whether it's a sequel to ME3 or something else entirely, it doesn't matter. Andromeda was one attempt. It doesn't need to be the only attempt. Let's try something a little different and see where it goes. The problem is defining those stylistic roots. The ME fanbase was never very coherent; is ME1 the best game of the trilogy, or the worst?
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Post by fchopin on Aug 20, 2017 1:45:25 GMT
Reboot. Go back to the Milky Way, back to the stylistic roots, back to the old themes and atmosphere. I'm a proponent of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only thing that was broke about the ME Trilogy was the ending to the third game. Until that happened, complaints were few and far in between. Take advantage of that. Take what worked and apply it to make another game. Whether it's a sequel to ME3 or something else entirely, it doesn't matter. Andromeda was one attempt. It doesn't need to be the only attempt. Let's try something a little different and see where it goes. The problem is defining those stylistic roots. The ME fanbase was never very coherent; is ME1 the best game of the trilogy, or the worst? For me it was the best as it developed the universe and plot for all the 3 games. I know the game is dated on graphics and combat is not as good as the other 2 Mass Effect games but there was atmosphere with great music and story.
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Post by henkiedepost on Aug 20, 2017 1:48:27 GMT
Either a long way in the future in Andromeda, or a long way in the future in the Milky Way. I'd like the second option.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 20, 2017 1:48:57 GMT
They should remaster the trilogy and then leave the series alone.
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Post by armass81 on Aug 20, 2017 1:50:19 GMT
Its incredible how Bioware managed to make a scifi series where they fuck up not one but two galaxies, so i have no idea where the hell theyre going to return to now...
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Post by Nightlife on Aug 20, 2017 1:52:13 GMT
First Contact War Prequel. Seems ripe with possibility, and back in the Milky Way. Probably take 3-4 years till we get another ME game though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 1:54:13 GMT
Its incredible how Bioware managed to make a scifi series where they fuck up not one but two galaxies, so i have no idea where the hell theyre going to return to now... Mass Effect: Small Magellanic Cloud doesn't have quite the same ring to it...
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Post by colfoley on Aug 20, 2017 1:55:01 GMT
Worse thing they can do is a full reboot. This fandom, at large, has already demonstrated a clear inability to sit through the necessary world building required for the start of a franchise or a new story.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 20, 2017 1:57:59 GMT
Reboot. Go back to the Milky Way, back to the stylistic roots, back to the old themes and atmosphere. I'm a proponent of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only thing that was broke about the ME Trilogy was the ending to the third game. Until that happened, complaints were few and far in between. Take advantage of that. Take what worked and apply it to make another game. Whether it's a sequel to ME3 or something else entirely, it doesn't matter. Andromeda was one attempt. It doesn't need to be the only attempt. Let's try something a little different and see where it goes. The problem is defining those stylistic roots. The ME fanbase was never very coherent; is ME1 the best game of the trilogy, or the worst? It takes some sleuthing on social media and forums, as well as gathering of raw data, in order to pick up consistent feedback (or as close as one can get to consistent). But the devs can definitely look at that and notice themes in terms of what players liked and disliked, and they can act on that. Personally, I loved all three of the ME trilogy games. If the hypothetical ME4 was a stylistic clone of any of them, I'd be pleased. If it combined ME1's tone with ME2's atmosphere and ME3's gameplay mechanics, I'd be thrilled. I suspect that many other Trilogy fans and potential customers in general would be fine with a game with similarities to any one (or all three) of the old titles.
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Post by Guts on Aug 20, 2017 1:58:57 GMT
No I agree, it totally was. Bioware realized they couldn't make another game in the MW without having to justify the ME3 endings and make one of them canon, so they took the easy way out and went to another galaxy all together. Andromeda had a lot of potential, but in the end they made more mistakes in trying to cover up their initial mistakes. So if they went and returned to the MW again, I feel like history would be doomed to repeat itself and I'd rather not see them start having to backtrack and try to right their wrongs after every single game. I'm thinking very pessimistically at this point, since the last time I tried to be optimistic it didn't go very well. I think they're backed into a corner no matter what. The MW has bad blood, Andromeda now has bad blood, going a new direction will give a cop-out impression to people, and trying to fix either galaxy could backfire and get even worse. They could wait ten years and people will still remember, it probably would be best to retire the franchise and just start a new ip or focus on what else they have. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I wouldn't call this next statement entirely sympathetic, but I feel that several or even a lot of people in the Bioware community are pretty good about holding grudges, at this point, as you said, it seems no matter what happens, a bunch of people would be pissed. To me, that's the problem with such a fervent fanbase.
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Post by spacev3gan on Aug 20, 2017 2:02:24 GMT
Bury it. Focus on Anthem and Dragon Age.
If they can't save even Andromeda, if EA is not willing to invest any additional cost to redeem this game, there is no point in going any further.
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Post by 10k on Aug 20, 2017 2:07:28 GMT
Remaster of the Original Trilogy. And maybe if we're lucky a ME3 ending rewrite, or atleast make destroy the canon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 2:12:48 GMT
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Post by Qolx on Aug 20, 2017 2:19:09 GMT
Let old ghosts rest.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 20, 2017 2:19:41 GMT
The problem is defining those stylistic roots. The ME fanbase was never very coherent; is ME1 the best game of the trilogy, or the worst? For me it was the best as it developed the universe and plot for all the 3 games. I know the game is dated on graphics and combat is not as good as the other 2 Mass Effect games but there was atmosphere with great music and story. Oh, I agree.... but from where I sit, this means that the incoherence and illogic of the Reaper cycles is a problem with ME1 even if the bill only came due in the later games. I thought ME3's music was better too, FWIW.
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