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Post by llandwynwyn on Aug 20, 2017 2:24:50 GMT
Tell me another story about the Shepard. Ok. I will Once upon a time there was this farmer named Shepard......It is called....Farm Effect Make a sequel to ME3. Bring Shepard back for one more game. Are you talking about a scifi, farm game set in the ME universe? Like, planting exotic fruits to later gift/woo the towns people/alien ; raising shifty looking cow that not only provide suspicious tasting milk but in lucky days give you credits (how, did they rob the town while you slept?? You'll never know); fighting off batarian pirate scum? Make it happen biower
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Post by ariatloak on Aug 20, 2017 2:34:40 GMT
Off topic, but am i the only one who thinks me3 is far and away the best game, and would like a potential sequel to imitate it? Nothing can beat the narrative satisfaction to me of curing the genophage and reuniting the quarians with rannoch, every main mission is unique, long and exciting, I love the music, and I love the ending (always destroy). All I wanted to do was kill the reapers and have Shepard live, and the game gave me that. I agree the prior to the extended cut ending really needed the epilogue it got, but I was very happy with it.
Just a little surprised at how much comments there are saying a sequel should be me2 level instead of me3. I enjoy me2 a lot, but the collector story is as threadbare as Andromeda's. Sometimes I think Andromeda would have been as good as me2 if it also had recruitment and (long, interesting) loyalty missions.
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Post by Blast Processor on Aug 20, 2017 2:38:25 GMT
Reboot. Go back to the Milky Way, back to the stylistic roots, back to the old themes and atmosphere. I'm a proponent of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only thing that was broke about the ME Trilogy was the ending to the third game. Until that happened, complaints were few and far in between. Take advantage of that. Take what worked and apply it to make another game. Whether it's a sequel to ME3 or something else entirely, it doesn't matter. Andromeda was one attempt. It doesn't need to be the only attempt. Let's try something a little different and see where it goes. The problem is defining those stylistic roots. The ME fanbase was never very coherent; is ME1 the best game of the trilogy, or the worst?
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Post by jamiecotc on Aug 20, 2017 2:38:28 GMT
Dear BW,
This is what you should do w/ Mass Effect. Find a story you are in love with, whether it be set in Andromeda or the Milky Way, doesn't matter. To hell w/ the fans, just do something you are very passionate about and put your best team on it. Don't try to recapture old glories. Don't bother too much with what other companies are doing. Innovate from what inspires you, not what's 'hot'. Don't reboot it. Don't go back to Andromeda because 'have' to. Don't listen to the SJWs or the menists or whoever, just make a game that will excite you and drive you, and fill it with characters that make you mad, break your heart, make you cheer, and make you want to kick ass w/ them. Most of all, don't rush it. Find what you love about the ME universe and do that. And put your BEST team on it!
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 20, 2017 3:27:50 GMT
Only way forward is to remaster the trilogy on next-next-Gen consoles. So in like a decade, maybe. And Andromeda needs to be a one-off that's never mentioned again - too many negative connotations and memes associated with it.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 20, 2017 3:29:39 GMT
Ignore Andromeda. Pretend it never happened. Everything in this game is a complete disaster. It's terrible in absolutely EVERY aspect.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 20, 2017 3:31:53 GMT
Off topic, but am i the only one who thinks me3 is far and away the best game, and would like a potential sequel to imitate it? Nothing can beat the narrative satisfaction to me of curing the genophage and reuniting the quarians with rannoch, every main mission is unique, long and exciting, I love the music, and I love the ending (always destroy). All I wanted to do was kill the reapers and have Shepard live, and the game gave me that. I agree the prior to the extended cut ending really needed the epilogue it got, but I was very happy with it. Just a little surprised at how much comments there are saying a sequel should be me2 level instead of me3. I enjoy me2 a lot, but the collector story is as threadbare as Andromeda's. Sometimes I think Andromeda would have been as good as me2 if it also had recruitment and (long, interesting) loyalty missions. ME3 is my favorite game of the original trilogy, but that's only because stories that began in ME1 and ME2 were concluded in ME3. It's really hard to separate any of the games, because they are really all parts of Shepard's story. If I had to rank the games, I'd probably go with ME3>ME1>ME2. In truth, I actually felt MEA was the best well-rounded Mass Effect experience to date. It by far had the best combat in my opinion. Driving the Nomad was actually fun and not a chore like the Mako. I enjoyed most of the new characters (only felt the Archon was really disappointing). I really enjoyed Andromeda for what is was worth, and I definitely plan on going through the game again. I'd prefer Edmonton to give Andromeda another chance, as I really don't believe going back to the Milky Way makes sense or is feasible just yet. At the very least, I hope BioWare can look at what went wrong with Andromeda and apply these lesson to all of their future projects. Regardless of what IP it is, I'd rather not see BioWare go through this tragedy ever again with a future title.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Aug 20, 2017 3:34:02 GMT
Make a sequel to ME3. And yes it can be done if we go off destroy ending - Bioware can easily state that Me4 uses the destroy ending and it's up to the individual if they think it's canon or not. Then you build up from there.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Aug 20, 2017 3:39:06 GMT
Make a sequel to ME3. And yes it can be done if we go off destroy ending - Bioware can easily state that Me4 uses the destroy ending and it's up to the individual if they think it's canon or not. Then you build up from there. Volition made an entire game off one non-canon ending from Saint Rows Gat out of hell, so why can't Bioware do the same?
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 3:55:52 GMT
"Continue where Andromeda left off" And I say that without a lot of enthusiasm, and not exactly as you might think about the option. I think there's enough loose from MEA that even if/when things get addressed in other media, it still won't be enough. Its most appropriate, in my opinion, to do a game that directly addresses what a MEA2 (and MEA DLC) would, without it being as much of a focus as before. For example, quarians and hanar etc etc can be present, but there can be a writing and mission (etc) that deals with how they got there. The game can start further ahead than before, and just treats MEA as the rather optional (less optional than MET to MEA, but more optional than between the MET games) prelude to the 'real stuff'. A new and situated world we're in, one way or another. The game could take twists on, or remove, or sideline a lot of things that people didn't like so much in MEA. For example, ignoring the Kett may not be a smart move for a game still in Andromeda, but having them more of a side story for now (like Geth became in ME2) might be better than a MEA2 that focuses on fighting the Kett with all their might against us (even if maybe mixed in with some larger arc of Remnant, Angara, etc yadda yadda). On one hand, yes 'fleeing' MEA might be a very appealing path. But MEA DID PATHFIND for us and we should take that found path, even if it leads us to somewhere rather different than anything the developers could imagine in earlier 2017. This might mean reinvisioning the possibilities of the Andromeda galaxy. This might mean returning or linking to the Milky Way. This might mean getting strange and extradgalactic or dimensional. This might mean dissolving the pieces of MEA even if to put them together in another future game. Whatever. I just don't expect a more straight-up Ryder vs the Kett Empire and mysteries of the Jaardan deal. All of this may be INCLUDED, but I don't think Bioware will want to as necessitate familiarity with MEA to tell their story. In a sense, they did it similarly with ME1 --> ME2/ME3. But I can see it being more drastic than that, given that there's no trilogy format announced (even if likely considered). Preferably either a ME5 or ME6 resolves the Andromeda galaxy arc, and even more preferably, ME5 resolves most to all of what MEA/ME4 put forth. Like I said, I think there's too much loose .. but I also think there's too much bad blood with the fanbase and gamers over this matter. I think sweeping it all under the rug only inspires angry questions, but I also think that carrying on with the same things is being deaf to the reception so far. Like, I want Cora around, for example. Maybe we don't get a MEA2 that keeps her with the Initiative and so on and so forth. Maybe we get a ME5 (or whatever its called) where she's something else, maybe not squad except maybe temporarily. Fine. I want Remnant tech to still matter. Maybe we don't get a MEA2 with a focus on Ryder mastering Remnant tech and learning about or meeting its creators. Maybe we instead get a ME5 (or whatever its called) where its still present, we still learn some more among other things, and there may be content/DLC that addresses its creators and perhaps ties it to other newer things. That sort of thing, done in a way where no one ever needs to have played MEA, even if its surely helpful. Ryder can be a protagonist, imo and im-affinity, but can start off closer to a ME1 Shepard that really really is experienced, ready, moving on and all that. MEA can be optional pre-Pathfinder-service experience, affecting some flavor of the game, but not dictating a thing.
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Post by beelzebub on Aug 20, 2017 4:02:54 GMT
How about a low-key spin-off set in the Milky Way before ME3. I haven't been very satisfied with a lot of the high-concept stuff Bioware's Done in the ME universe after ME1; the real jewels are in the minutiae--the character interactions, the exploration, and experiencing cultures.
Just to pitch some ideas:
You could have a game set in a single, well fleshed-out, solar system.
ME1 teases us with this criminal corporate culture of cutthroat IPs and extra-legal experimentation. It goes great with that game's synth soundtrack. I think a game focusing on this could have a cool System Shock/Shadowrun/Deus Ex vibe.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 20, 2017 4:10:50 GMT
Make a sequel to ME3. And yes it can be done if we go off destroy ending - Bioware can easily state that Me4 uses the destroy ending and it's up to the individual if they think it's canon or not. Then you build up from there. Volition made an entire game off one non-canon ending from Saint Rows Gat out of hell, so why can't Bioware do the same? Considering it was Casey Hudson's idea to go to a new galaxy, you'll have to ask him what his thoughts are now revisiting that concept. As far as Volition is concerned, the great thing about Saints Row is it never took itself too seriously. The fact that Agents of Mayhem is essentially a spinoff of a non-canon ending from DLC just goes to show that the lore and continuity really aren't important to that universe. At its core, Saints Row, and now Agents of Mayhem, are about stupid, good fun. As for Mass Effect, it's a very different beast from Saints Row. I also believe there is still potential in Andromeda, provided BioWare fixes the mistakes that have been made with MEA. I don't believe it can't be salvaged. I do think BioWare can still do something with this new galaxy, and perhaps eventually tie it back into the Milky Way.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Aug 20, 2017 4:15:50 GMT
Volition made an entire game off one non-canon ending from Saint Rows Gat out of hell, so why can't Bioware do the same? Considering it was Casey Hudson's idea to go to a new galaxy, you'll have to ask him what his thoughts are now revisiting that concept. As far as Volition is concerned, the great thing about Saints Row is it never took itself too seriously. The fact that Agents of Mayhem is essentially a spinoff of a non-canon ending from DLC just goes to show that the lore and continuity really aren't important to that universe. At its core, Saints Row, and now Agents of Mayhem, are about stupid, good fun. As for Mass Effect, it's a very different beast from Saints Row. I also believe there is still potential in Andromeda, provided BioWare fixes the mistakes that have been made with MEA. I don't believe it can't be salvaged. I do think BioWare can still do something with this new galaxy, and perhaps eventually tie it back into the Milky Way. So what? It's just a game, if Bioware wanted to go back to the Milky Way then they could just implement the volition spinoff model, pick destroy or control ending, say it's non-canon and build off from there to make a new game. They continue the lore and we have the Milky Way again. There is nothing worth salvaging in Andromeda. They already screwed it up with it's pitiful exploration theme's were you just discover what others already found before you. There is no history in Andromeda in comparison to Milky Way which means any sequel in Andromeda will ultimately be just as barren as MEA. I say we just get a sequel to Me3, it's what we all want I think.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 20, 2017 4:20:21 GMT
So what? It's just a game, if Bioware wanted to go back to the Milky Way then they could just implement the volition spinoff model, pick destroy or control ending, say it's non-canon and build off from there to make a new game. They continue the lore and we have the Milky Way again. There is nothing worth salvaging in Andromeda. They already screwed it up with it's pitiful exploration theme's were you just discover what others already found before you. There is no history in Andromeda in comparison to Milky Way which means any sequel in Andromeda will ultimately be just as barren as MEA. I say we just get a sequel to Me3, it's what we all want I think. Honestly, it won't matter where the next game is set if BioWare doesn't have competent writers to make the story and do the world building. We need Drew Karpyshyn back on Mass Effect, because his expertise and skills were sorely missed with ME3 and now MEA. Ever since his departure, the narrative has arguably lost focus and Mass Effect seems to be suffering somewhat of an identity crisis. I think his inclusion in a future title, whether it's in the Milky Way or Andromeda, would be essential for the new game's success.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Aug 20, 2017 4:22:34 GMT
So what? It's just a game, if Bioware wanted to go back to the Milky Way then they could just implement the volition spinoff model, pick destroy or control ending, say it's non-canon and build off from there to make a new game. They continue the lore and we have the Milky Way again. There is nothing worth salvaging in Andromeda. They already screwed it up with it's pitiful exploration theme's were you just discover what others already found before you. There is no history in Andromeda in comparison to Milky Way which means any sequel in Andromeda will ultimately be just as barren as MEA. I say we just get a sequel to Me3, it's what we all want I think. Honestly, it won't matter where the next game is set if BioWare doesn't have competent writers to make the story and do the world building. We need Drew Karpyshyn back on Mass Effect, because his expertise and skills were sorely missed with ME3 and now MEA. Ever since his departure, the narrative has arguably lost focus and Mass Effect seems to be suffering somewhat of an identity crisis. I think his inclusion in a future title, whether it's in the Milky Way or Andromeda, would be essential for the new game's success. Agreed. Personally, I prefer a direct non-canon sequel to ME3 than a MeA2.
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 20, 2017 4:23:51 GMT
I'm even less interested in a reboot than I am a sequel to MEA. Frankly I think they should just let ME rest peacefully.
If they want a third IP to work on pick up Jade Empire again, maybe a new Star Wars RPG (KOTR or otherwise), or an entirely new IP. I hope they will do something since my interests in DA haven't been high since DAO and Anthem doesn't really tickle my fancy at all. If they don't pick up another IP to work on my days of playing BW games may now be done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 4:25:10 GMT
Honestly, it won't matter where the next game is set if BioWare doesn't have competent writers to make the story and do the world building. We need Drew Karpyshyn back on Mass Effect, because his expertise and skills were sorely missed with ME3 and now MEA. Ever since his departure, the narrative has arguably lost focus and Mass Effect seems to be suffering somewhat of an identity crisis. I think his inclusion in a future title, whether it's in the Milky Way or Andromeda, would be essential for the new game's success. Agreed. Personally, I prefer a direct non-canon sequel to ME3 than a MeA2. I want a sidequel where i get to play as a Cerberus agent...
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Post by Steelcan on Aug 20, 2017 4:26:03 GMT
Agreed. Personally, I prefer a direct non-canon sequel to ME3 than a MeA2. I want a sidequel where i get to play as a Cerberus agent... we just call it ME2 for the most part
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 4:27:32 GMT
I want a sidequel where i get to play as a Cerberus agent... we just call it ME2 for the most part lol...that's true enough
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Aug 20, 2017 4:28:17 GMT
Agreed. Personally, I prefer a direct non-canon sequel to ME3 than a MeA2. I want a sidequel where i get to play as a Cerberus agent... Cerberus is an idea, and ideas never die. ME3 sequel featuring Cerberus reborn/or dead and gone - for good, rebuilt relays(control), reverse engineered new relays (destroy), Yagh become a threat, new characters, new places. This can happen if Bioware really wants too!
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 20, 2017 4:30:44 GMT
I'm even less interested in a reboot than I am a sequel to MEA. Frankly I think they should just let ME rest peacefully. If they want a third IP to work on pick up Jade Empire again, maybe a new Star Wars RPG (KOTR or otherwise), or an entirely new IP. I hope they will do something since my interests in DA haven't been high since DAO and Anthem doesn't really tickle my fancy at all. If they don't pick up another IP to work on my days of playing BW games may now be done. I wouldn't be opposed to another Jade Empire or a spiritual successor to KOTOR. I think a new IP is unlikely, considering BioWare spent years crafting Anthem and it hasn't released yet. We'll have to see what BioWare ultimately ends up doing. They could do another KOTOR game, but I think BioWare Edmonton would probably give Mass Effect another shot after Anthem and DA4 release. BioWare Austin actually had a prototype for a KOTOR game that they ended up shelving, so I think that studio is more likely to do a spiritual successor to KOTOR to fit into the new Disney canon.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 20, 2017 4:34:06 GMT
What should BioWare do now with Mass Effect?
I have a feeling BioWare themselves will be asking that question for long time to come.
The fandom seems very divided over what direction they'd want a future ME game to go. I suspect they'll let it sit for a number of years until the pent-up demand a new ME game reaches a point where people will be happy just to see something new, even if it's not in the direction they preferred.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 4:40:13 GMT
Don't want a reboot because that just marketing to resell an old game I've already played. There is still so much potential for the story of Andromeda. Anything less than Andromeda 2 would make me no longer support Bioware or EA. At this point, until I know the future. I will not be buying Anthem or any new games from Bioware This, although Anthem has had my attention once I saw that DK and Edmonton were involved. Andromeda 2 for me. Leave the fugly npcs, lisping voice actors, Asari clones and downe's syndrome having effeminate krogan out of it. Andromeda has much left to tell. Quarians, the true might of the kett, the Primus' response, a new reunited angara, newly claimed homeworlds for other major races, and the Jardaan. Too much potential to let go to waste. However I still wouldn't mind going back to the Milky Way in a post reapers/post RGB galaxy.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 20, 2017 5:09:43 GMT
What should BioWare do now with Mass Effect?I have a feeling BioWare themselves will be asking that question for long time to come. The fandom seems very divided over what direction they'd want a future ME game to go. I suspect they'll let it sit for a number of years until the pent-up demand a new ME game reaches a point where people will be happy just to see something new, even if it's not in the direction they preferred. It's undeniable that BioWare is going to sit on Mass Effect for a while. On the bright side, maybe success from Anthem and DA4 will help provide direction and ideas for the next Mass Effect in making it a better game.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 20, 2017 5:10:59 GMT
So what? It's just a game, if Bioware wanted to go back to the Milky Way then they could just implement the volition spinoff model, pick destroy or control ending, say it's non-canon and build off from there to make a new game. They continue the lore and we have the Milky Way again. There is nothing worth salvaging in Andromeda. They already screwed it up with it's pitiful exploration theme's were you just discover what others already found before you. There is no history in Andromeda in comparison to Milky Way which means any sequel in Andromeda will ultimately be just as barren as MEA. I say we just get a sequel to Me3, it's what we all want I think. Honestly, it won't matter where the next game is set if BioWare doesn't have competent writers to make the story and do the world building. We need Drew Karpyshyn back on Mass Effect, because his expertise and skills were sorely missed with ME3 and now MEA. Ever since his departure, the narrative has arguably lost focus and Mass Effect seems to be suffering somewhat of an identity crisis. I think his inclusion in a future title, whether it's in the Milky Way or Andromeda, would be essential for the new game's success. Bring back the guy who dig the pit ME3 fell into?
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