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Post by Ianamus on Aug 20, 2017 12:31:57 GMT
A reboot would be cool a decade or so down the line, but I'm not sure I'd want to play out Shepard's story again with better graphics. I'd want things to be more mixed up than that.
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Post by Felya87 on Aug 20, 2017 12:37:43 GMT
I think Mass Effect should rebuild from what Andromeda did, but rebuilding the cultures left in the Milky Way: have at least part of the various races recreate their own society and culture, with a council-like organization to make mediation between the races. If there was one thing I missed about ME in Andromeda, is the lack of culture differences between races: no mention of Dalatrass for the Salarian, no militaristic culture for the Turian, just the Krogan had kept some tribal feeling to them. Continue the story a few century later when big cities and different political organisms are developed, and societies can have their own problems, and having the Initiative be a new sort of Council, with Pathfinders being a new Spectre-like space agent. Doesn't have to be all the same as in the Milky Way, but or new races and cultures are adeed, or the old ones need to return "alien" enought.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 20, 2017 13:05:36 GMT
Remaster the trilogy. Sell it for $60. Includes 3 main games, all dlc and weapon and armor packs. How many would buy a remastered trilogy? Don't know. What if it sells better than MEA? Not sure. Would that be enough to have a sequel to ME3? Would that be enough to bring Shepard back for one more game? Don't know. Either way, a remastered trilogy would get me 3 more platinum trophies. excellent
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Post by guanxi on Aug 20, 2017 13:07:35 GMT
If BioWare want to hold onto the franchise rights but have no plans for future games they should consider entering a licensing agreement with a third party dev/publisher subject to interest... hopefully from Obsidian or Microsoft.
If an acceptable deal could be reached it's potentially an exciting business proposition for a third party looking for built-in audience, established brand recognition, game mechanics and highly detailed lore offering near unlimited storytelling and gameplay possibilities for potential suitors.
Fallout and Doom were considered dead franchises until Bethesda came along and the rest is history. Mass Effect and Deus Ex are easily as popular as the original Fallout series was so I have no doubt both will live on in some form... possibly as crowd funded spiritual successors in the absence of interest from AAA publishers.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 20, 2017 13:25:55 GMT
The prospect of finally wiping the Leviathan off the face of the universe does strike my fancy. I was sad we couldn't destroy them in ME3. Its too bad they weren't part of the main game. When talking with the thing, it would change forms as its talking about the options that Shepard could choose. Change to Anderson when talking about destroy. Change to TIM when talking about control. Change to Saren when talking about synthesis. If the player never played ME1, the thing could change to the edibot platform thing when talking about synthesis. Another thing is when running to the beam, Shepard or another character puts an orb on the ground. Leviathan does it mind thing. Harbinger's eye's flicker for a few seconds before falling over.
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Post by bigbad on Aug 20, 2017 15:11:49 GMT
No matter what Bioware choices to do with Mass Effect, if there is another game the one thing it needs most is a strong vision, a compelling reason to revisit the ME universe. I would rather that we never get another ME game again than play another half-baked reboot that doesn't seem to know why it exists.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 20, 2017 15:25:41 GMT
Continue with Andromeda forget a reboot.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 20, 2017 15:28:29 GMT
I think they should shelve it and make something new. I hope they can create a completely new RPG series and we can fall in love with some new faces in a new setting all over again. Yeah either continue from where MEA leaves off for me and learn from the mistakes made with MEA or drop ME as a franchise altogether and create a new IP. Because I don't think I'd want a reboot.
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Post by thedarkprince on Aug 20, 2017 15:33:43 GMT
Bioware will reboot the series in a few years. The Andromeda name is simply too toxic for them to touch again. Andromeda 2 will just bring up flash backs of the poorly made first game, which would be a bad move in terms of marketing. There is zero chance we see a sequel to Andromeda.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 16:13:57 GMT
Off topic, but am i the only one who thinks me3 is far and away the best game, and would like a potential sequel to imitate it? Nothing can beat the narrative satisfaction to me of curing the genophage and reuniting the quarians with rannoch, every main mission is unique, long and exciting, I love the music, and I love the ending (always destroy). All I wanted to do was kill the reapers and have Shepard live, and the game gave me that. I agree the prior to the extended cut ending really needed the epilogue it got, but I was very happy with it. Just a little surprised at how much comments there are saying a sequel should be me2 level instead of me3. I enjoy me2 a lot, but the collector story is as threadbare as Andromeda's. Sometimes I think Andromeda would have been as good as me2 if it also had recruitment and (long, interesting) loyalty missions. I like ME3 the most, but I also find too much problematic (personal and otherwise) with it to call it the objective best. If I had to, I'd put that to ME2. With some dispute, obviously stated by some on BSN (story, stripped gameplay, etc). Maybe ME3 with all its patches and additional content and all that might be the best if you aren't still particularly ruined by the ending. I personally think MEA at least succeeded in beating out ME1, but ME1 is still the best of the 4 games in terms of how much I enjoyed the unfolding core plot. All the later games have enough flaws with this aspect that none have beat ME1. The series always has Sovereign's speech both inspiring AND overshadowing it. I think MEA would have been much better in core plot if it just had its months more refinement of writing and design. There's something beautiful there, but its covered in redundant repeats of old stuff and overwhelming focus on cheese instead of dramatic weight. ME will always have cheese and references and plotholes and worldbuilding vagueness.. but this went overboard.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 20, 2017 16:14:35 GMT
Duh. I said the pit that ME3 fell into. The ME3 writers were trying to handle the mess he made of the Reapers. Drew was smart to skip town and leave them holding the bag. You are either being facetious, or far too cynical. We even know what Drew's plans were for the Reapers: The infamous "Dark Energy Theory." Whether it would have been better, or worse, is impossible to know as it was only ever teased in ME2. It was Casey and Mac's idea to focus the ending of ME3 on synthetics and organics and try to copy the ending of Deus Ex. It didn't help that the original release of the game just ended abruptly without closure or context, fueling the confusion even more. Had Drew still been there for ME3, I seriously doubt the ending would have been as disjointed and nonsensical as it was. Regardless, I'd bet money most Mass Effect fans would be happy to have him back on the franchise after he's done with Anthem. Well, the difference between cynicism and realism is not easy to perceive when we're talking about counterfactuals. If you want to call me a cynic I'll accept the label. I just don't see the Reapers as a soluble problem; ME1 stuck them with a modus operandi which serves no rational purpose. The Dark Energy plot proposal was even worse than what we got. (And had even less morally acceptable final choices, but I would have personally liked that part if Bio had had the guts to go through with it, which I doubt.) I suppose the best available "answer" would have been to just have the Reapers be irrational idiots, but there's no evidence that anyone at Bio ever considered this. Furthermore, ME1 gave me no faith in Karpyshyn's ability to actually work stuff out logically. What he was good at was focusing the player's attention past the problems. For instance, most of us don't think about the time-sequence of Tali's magic voice recording or why Benezia's people are killing each other on Noveria. I don't see how pushing stuff away works for a final game.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 16:24:46 GMT
What should BioWare do now with Mass Effect?I have a feeling BioWare themselves will be asking that question for long time to come. The fandom seems very divided over what direction they'd want a future ME game to go. I suspect they'll let it sit for a number of years until the pent-up demand a new ME game reaches a point where people will be happy just to see something new, even if it's not in the direction they preferred. Honestly I think Bioware just needs to not release a buggy unfinished unrefined bland mess. I don't think MEA is totally that, but at least compared to the other games (Bioware, Mass Effect), its just dangerously leaning too close in that direction. (The bugs are largely but not fixed enough, it will always feel unfinished due to unresolved DLC/sequel hooks, the framework will always seem somewhat unrefined, and you can't 'fix the writing'.) Andromeda, Milky Way, elsewhere, elsetime, Shepard, Ryder, whatever. They already SHOULD know what makes Mass Effect work enough for a blockbuster reception. If the speculation is true, then they actually DID work off of what makes Mass Effect work, in the last up to couple of years of development. But the foundation was too unstable so its like trying to build a great gingerbread house with bad supports. You can tweak, add, polish, but its still the insufficient support. That's the only thing that has me remotely forgiving them for no DLC. Perhaps - and I'm not asserting here AT ALL - we may see a new ME sooner (2020-2021) rather than later (2022-2025 if ever), from Bioware Edmonton, that gets what they need to do, has the tools and personnel to do it, and takes just a couple years to blow us away.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 16:27:10 GMT
Don't want a reboot because that just marketing to resell an old game I've already played. There is still so much potential for the story of Andromeda. Anything less than Andromeda 2 would make me no longer support Bioware or EA. At this point, until I know the future. I will not be buying Anthem or any new games from Bioware This, although Anthem has had my attention once I saw that DK and Edmonton were involved. Andromeda 2 for me. Leave the fugly npcs, lisping voice actors, Asari clones and downe's syndrome having effeminate krogan out of it. Andromeda has much left to tell. Quarians, the true might of the kett, the Primus' response, a new reunited angara, newly claimed homeworlds for other major races, and the Jardaan. Too much potential to let go to waste. However I still wouldn't mind going back to the Milky Way in a post reapers/post RGB galaxy. The NPCs are bizarre and I hoped they'd be patched. The Asari Clones are ridiculous and I needed them to be patched if MEA was ever to get a 8/10 or above for me. Very personally jarring. 'Down Syndrome Effeminate Krogan'? Well okay, I'm not pleased with their take on female krogan compared to ME3, but I wasn't as negative about it as others. But all of this is sign of 'Push forward, never go back, we had years to do that but squandered it, so SHIP IT SHIP IT NOW EA WANTS RELEASE'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 16:30:48 GMT
Bioware will reboot the series in a few years. The Andromeda name is simply too toxic for them to touch again. Andromeda 2 will just bring up flash backs of the poorly made first game, which would be a bad move in terms of marketing. There is zero chance we see a sequel to Andromeda. This is a weak argument they went in Andromeda precisely to avoid the controversies created by ME3 endings so they decided to move to another galaxy. So assuming you are right what they are going to do? Return to the MW and face the old controversy or stay in Andromeda and face the newer one? Either way they should man up and deal with the problems they created and move on. They couldn't possibly migrate to another galaxy for each game controversy they create. They should stand in Andromeda and make it work.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 16:34:03 GMT
They definitely should continue the Andromeda story. The old "milky way" stuff is death and buried, and I do not in any way believe necromancy will "save" the ME series (I am convinced the opposite is true). There are too much open and loose ends in ME:A to end the story. If they try to resurrect that stuff in that old galaxy, I guess I will pass, and do not buy it. But that's just me I guess.. I don't think 'Milky Way' is dead and buried, but I do think that the emphasis of the MET is, and that means Milky Way As We Knew It. (Outside of reference, off-shoot content, etc) And I may be wrong, but it felt like MEA was, in its writing, as much about a potentially false escapism into another galaxy as it was about a legitimate moving on, and that they left things as open to build a bridge to the Milky Way as they left it open to find ways to more quickly explore and expand through Andromeda. Really, MEA is one giant loose end that can lead to anything at all. Even more than ME1, in many ways. They can go anywhere and do anything. If Bioware wants it. I think that was MEA's purpose - to just move on from MET ending structural expectations and start up somewhere that we have no set expectations other than that we get 'more' happening. But that's also why, for once, having no DLC is so disappointing and maybe alarming.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Aug 20, 2017 16:36:46 GMT
I am torn.
I was never hooked to the world of Andromeda, but continuing from there would be the logical direction. And that would respect all the fans who enjoyed the game.
But. I myself never finished playing the original trilogy, it is my favorite story, favorite series, like a second home where I can escape from the stress of everyday.
If I hade been in charge I would have finished Andromeda with a great DLC content and then moved back/ more close to the original. In this situation I would have accepted even the First Contact War game.
BUT DAMN.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 16:38:07 GMT
If BioWare want to hold onto the franchise rights but have no plans for future games they should consider entering a licensing agreement with a third party dev/publisher subject to interest... hopefully from Obsidian or Microsoft. If an acceptable deal could be reached it's potentially an exciting business proposition for a third party looking for built-in audience, established brand recognition, game mechanics and highly detailed lore offering near unlimited storytelling and gameplay possibilities for potential suitors. Fallout and Doom were considered dead franchises until Bethesda came along and the rest is history. Mass Effect and Deus Ex are easily as popular as the original Fallout series was so I have no doubt both will live on in some form... possibly as crowd funded spiritual successors in the absence of interest from AAA publishers. If they REALLY REALLY don't want to make a ME game for several years (say, if they have some Anthem, DA4, Anthem 2? DA5? focus), then I'd rather this than nothing. But really, I'd prefer Anthem, DA4, ME5, Anthem 2?, DA5?, ME6? sequence through the 2020s instead.
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Obsidian and Mass Effect? Yes PLEASE!
If BW has no ideas for this franchise that would be the best alternative. I prefer this franchise to live in somone else hands than to remain dead in its creators hands.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Aug 20, 2017 16:41:50 GMT
Wait another 5 years...
1) Forgot about MEA 2) Remaster / Reboot of MET, but this time with some set-up for future games in the universe /without crap like AI or Ark's never mentioned in OT/ 3) New adventure.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 20, 2017 17:01:40 GMT
But really, I'd prefer Anthem, DA4, ME5, Anthem 2?, DA5?, ME6? sequence through the 2020s instead. I really, really hope you're right but I honestly can't see it unless Anthem flops. Why else would the Anthem or Dragon Age team make Mass Effect instead of Anthem or DA sequels? The only way I can see another Edmonton Mass Effect is in 7+ years time after EVERYBODY is sick to death of making any more Anthem and Dragon Age games.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 17:06:14 GMT
I am torn. I was never hooked to the world of Andromeda, but continuing from there would be the logical direction. And that would respect all the fans who enjoyed the game. But. I myself never finished playing the original trilogy, it is my favorite story, favorite series, like a second home where I can escape from the stress of everyday. If I hade been in charge I would have finished Andromeda with a great DLC content and then moved back/ more close to the original. In this situation I would have accepted even the First Contact War game. BUT DAMN. Yeah. Weird huh? The whole not doing 1-3 DLCs for MEA had everything in a Great Unknown. I guess technically any sly writing could resolve/address anything from MEA in another game, but then its a matter of whether its good or appropriate where and how they do it.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 17:09:15 GMT
But really, I'd prefer Anthem, DA4, ME5, Anthem 2?, DA5?, ME6? sequence through the 2020s instead. I really, really hope you're right but I honestly can't see it unless Anthem flops. Why else would the Anthem or Dragon Age team make Mass Effect instead of Anthem or DA sequels? The only way I can see another Edmonton Mass Effect is in 7+ years time after EVERYBODY is sick to death of making any more Anthem and Dragon Age games. I don't see necessarily back to back Anthems unless Anthem is the opposite of a flop (a huge success). I don't think it fits Bioware, even with as far into this direction they seem to be going. Yes yes EA, but I don't think the devs would go for it. I don't think MEA was outright thrown to the wolves but hoped to be enough of a success that Bioware can go from franchise to franchise without burning out on any particular one. And that means something like ME, A, DA, ME, A, DA (and as this goes on, consideration of opening more studios, starting new IPs, as any studio goes). Sure an Anthem 2 would happen earlier 2020s, but I don't see it as necessarily 2020-2021. They can surely have a Year 1 of heavy support, Year 2 of light support, and Year 3 of little to nothing before a sequel release (aka 2022-2023). Its not impossible to me if part of the reason for Anthem was to keep studios interested in something different instead of the likely burnout by the end of a chain of 3 MET games. Even Ubisoft shifts people around.
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Aug 20, 2017 17:25:35 GMT
Put the IP on ice and focus on Anthem and Dragon Age 4. Then, if they decide its worth it, dedicate their main team towards Andromeda 2.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 20, 2017 17:29:26 GMT
At this point if they aren't interested in carrying on andromeda universe they should let the series rest in its grave. Don't see the point in raking over the ashes of the original series or antagonising people by creation an official red blue or green canon. Start working on a new single player IP i'd say.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 20, 2017 17:34:10 GMT
Bioware will reboot the series in a few years. The Andromeda name is simply too toxic for them to touch again. Andromeda 2 will just bring up flash backs of the poorly made first game, which would be a bad move in terms of marketing. There is zero chance we see a sequel to Andromeda. This is a weak argument they went in Andromeda precisely to avoid the controversies created by ME3 endings so they decided to move to another galaxy. So assuming you are right what they are going to do? Return to the MW and face the old controversy or stay in Andromeda and face the newer one? Either way they should man up and deal with the problems they created and move on. They couldn't possibly migrate to another galaxy for each game controversy they create. They should stand in Andromeda and make it work. Indeed I think the MEA one will be easier to deal with than the ME3 one. They just need to get their heads down and get on with it and deliver a polished product next time and don't leave any threads dangling in MEA 2 if they make one they'll have it nailed. MEA on the whole for me isn't a bad game it's just unpolished and unfinished with more time and effort it would have been better
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