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Post by guanxi on Aug 20, 2017 17:35:23 GMT
...Its not impossible to me if part of the reason for Anthem was to keep studios interested in something different instead of the likely burnout by the end of a chain of 3 MET games. Even Ubisoft shifts people around. If they do plan on rotating 3 series it's possible that they might expand Edmonton to 3 teams; start a new Mass Effect team under turian air quotes "trustworthy" veteran leadership which would be the best outcome for the ME series rather than risk another Montreal style gamble and have all your best writers and animators, etc. involved on the 3 different projects at different (staggered) development stages working all year round as and when needed.
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Post by deadgoon on Aug 20, 2017 17:38:46 GMT
Other. If Anthem takes off i wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't do a Valve & quietly shelve the ME series like Valve did with HL.
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Post by clips7 on Aug 20, 2017 17:47:36 GMT
I think they should continue in this universe, but the negative impact seen from the game during launch might cause players to pause. If they do continue, maybe they can create a new main character and somehow wrap the Ryder story up in some sort of dialogue or opening cutscene leading to the newly aquired lead in the game.
It's just that Andromeda left so many questions unanswered in terms of story, and i'm not sure if you want to get into the process of rebooting franchises when a particular game in the series doesn't perform well.
I'm not sure if you can do "one offs" in this series as well...to me it seems like this series is bulit on charaters that players get to know over the course of the game and then for the most part players would like to see that journey continue in past games. In the case of Andromeda tho, i'm not sure if they can just cut the Ryder storyline loose since his family and character was central to the initiative storyline...basically he/she is the only character that can unlock those vaults..
So idk....i guess they can somehow create something that allows another lead to take the roll and just create adventures for that character or they can maybe do another fast-forwarding of years to the point to where all of the viable planets have made hospitable and they can maybe explore other story elements...really hard to say what they should do at this point.
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Post by clips7 on Aug 20, 2017 17:54:59 GMT
Other. If Anthem takes off i wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't do a Valve & quietly shelve the ME series like Valve did with HL. That's the thing tho....it's already been noted that Anthem won't be a heavily narrative type game like the ME series. For me while i was impressed with what i saw at E3....it remains that story is going to take a back seat to more direction being focused on CO-OP or Destiny type setup....I think devs stated that a SP story will be available, but that will not be the main games focus. I guess i say that to say is EA thinks Anthem is going to attract ME fans, even if it's good, i don't think Anthem will be the success it wants it to be unless they are looking at Destiny's numbers and other mmo type games.....maybe that is the direction they want to go in at this time.
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Post by fetunche on Aug 20, 2017 18:01:56 GMT
If they continue Mass Effect make Andromeda 2, if not KOTOR 3 and Jade Empire 2, no open world or MP in either.
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Post by kleindropper on Aug 20, 2017 19:31:11 GMT
What did we love in the original ME series? Whatever your answer was, it's probably a fact that there was very little of it in MEA. Bring that stuff back in the next game.
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Post by Life is Strange on Aug 21, 2017 0:53:15 GMT
Reboot, treat Andromeda like it never existed. Continue, treat mordingrimes like never existed.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 21, 2017 2:22:22 GMT
Continue in Andromeda, obviously. The Milky Way requires a canon ending, which would divide the community anyway. Andromeda's "failures" had nothing to do with setting.
A reboot is a terrible idea.
A remaster of the trilogy is the MOST idiotic idea and anyone spouting that nonsense obviously has very little sense, business or otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 2:37:21 GMT
Continue in Andromeda, obviously. The Milky Way requires a canon ending, which would divide the community anyway. Andromeda's "failures" had nothing to do with setting. A reboot is a terrible idea. A remaster of the trilogy is the MOST idiotic idea and anyone spouting that nonsense obviously has very little sense, business or otherwise. Remasters worked pretty damn well for.. -Metro series -Bioshock -HALO -The Last of Us -Tomb Raider -Skyrim (to a lesser degree) -Metal Gear -etc... People are eating up remasters
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 21, 2017 2:48:33 GMT
Continue in Andromeda, obviously. The Milky Way requires a canon ending, which would divide the community anyway. Andromeda's "failures" had nothing to do with setting. A reboot is a terrible idea. A remaster of the trilogy is the MOST idiotic idea and anyone spouting that nonsense obviously has very little sense, business or otherwise. Remasters worked pretty damn well for.. -Metro series -Bioshock -HALO -The Last of Us -Tomb Raider -Skyrim (to a lesser degree) -Metal Gear -etc... People are eating up remasters For certain games, yes. But not for something like Mass Effect. If you remaster ME1 do you just up the graphics or "fix" the combat, too? Some people would like that, others a big no. Plus it won't change the endings. And they are already backwards compatible on XBONE. So I don't really see the point. You remaster Skyrim because the setting IS the game. Making it gorgeous makes it way better. Mass Effect not so much. Plus the graphics are still pretty good. Halo is of course on a whole different level.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 21, 2017 4:02:14 GMT
Only way forward is to remaster the trilogy on next-next-Gen consoles. So in like a decade, maybe. And Andromeda needs to be a one-off that's never mentioned again - too many negative connotations and memes associated with it. memes dont' mean that much years later to most adults. I do agree a remaster for next gen consoles would be a very cool thing for the original trilogy.
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 21, 2017 4:34:28 GMT
Continue with Andromeda forget a reboot. They don't even want to do single player dlc, no way they will continue with the disaster that was Andromeda.
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 21, 2017 4:35:44 GMT
Only way forward is to remaster the trilogy on next-next-Gen consoles. So in like a decade, maybe. And Andromeda needs to be a one-off that's never mentioned again - too many negative connotations and memes associated with it. memes dont' mean that much years later to most adults. I do agree a remaster for next gen consoles would be a very cool thing for the original trilogy. I could definitely see them doing a remaster now for next gen consoles before they eventually come back and continue the Mass Effect series.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Aug 21, 2017 4:58:16 GMT
I think it's pretty clear: round up every dev who still wants to work on RPGs, and put them on DA:4. Mass Effect is done.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 21, 2017 5:04:54 GMT
Bioware will reboot the series in a few years. The Andromeda name is simply too toxic for them to touch again. Andromeda 2 will just bring up flash backs of the poorly made first game, which would be a bad move in terms of marketing. There is zero chance we see a sequel to Andromeda. It's always curious to me how people think that a reboot of the original trilogy would automatically be a good thing.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 21, 2017 5:29:33 GMT
Obsidian and Mass Effect? Yes PLEASE! If BW has no ideas for this franchise that would be the best alternative. I prefer this franchise to live in somone else hands than to remain dead in its creators hands. Chris Avellone (the creative force that gave us KOTOR 2, Fallout New Vegas, etc.) left Obsidian years ago. While I still love that studio, I can't say I trust them to actually do this kind of game justice anymore. This next statement is more broadly addressed to everyone, but I think doing a remaster of the original trilogy at this point would be a mistake. Not only would BioWare need to invest a lot of resources into games folks have already played (what will they do about the combat in ME1?), but then the issue of ME3's ending will just set the entire internet on fire again. The idea of setting a game with Shepard as the protagonist after ME3 is an even worse idea. If you thought the hype and expectations for Andromeda were unreasonable, do you really think BioWare could do a better job bringing Shepard back? That game is just a disaster in waiting. I don't believe BioWare is that insane. I think it's best to move forward, and I believe Andromeda is still workable. BioWare just needs to give us a polished product that isn't falling apart at the seams on release. Andromeda has potential for a future.
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Post by Wildfire on Aug 21, 2017 7:27:41 GMT
Sorry about the incoherent and lengthy post, but here goes: Personally, I think that this whole Andromeda thing is a total disgrace and exemplifies everything that is wrong with the gaming industry and the fan culture. Firstly, Andromeda and Bioware have their own problems. The way its production and post-release support was handled, it was very unprofessional. The way they did the communication and post-release follow-up, it's like they purposefully wanted to antagonize the fans. But I think the willingness to sacrifice Andromeda is a poignant example of what happens when the entertainment industry is too capital intensive, too focused on profit and too responsive to the opinions of its consumers. Obviously they've got pressure to make money, and sinking more resources into a game which has sold badly and which was abused by the fans may not feel like the best business move. But it doesn't cost anything to write novels or comics! But the thing is, I think they've made the wrong conclusions about the mess. It's not like you can just brush away the problems of MEA by cutting all single-player support, and the haters will never stop hating. However, they could have done some good damage control by trying to fix the game and complete the story for the significant body of fans (like me) who sincerely enjoyed the game and never participated in the hate. I, for one, have never seen a single one of those dreaded memes, and I absolutely love the game. It's like EA and BW just forgot that we who liked the game are their customers too. And it would actually make sense to give us some closure. So they should just ignore the hate and dig deep. And, of course, give us MEA2, because the biggest problem of MEA is the fact that it doesn't have a sequel yet. On the other hand, I really think that the people who participated in the badmouthing campaign should reflect on their own behaviour. From day one, MEA received so much criticism which was either unfair, irrelevant or just deranged. Just to list a few: MEA failed to live up to the legacy of the Trilogy, the characters were too ugly, there was only one homosexual male romance option, too much diversity because BW is a SJW... You must be kidding me, guys. The whole thing reminds me of the ME3 ending controversy, which was even more disgraceful than the Andromeda affair. I'm not saying that it's not okay to criticize the game - on the contrary, there is nothing better than well-thought criticism and I really hope BW reads what has been said on this forum and learns its lessons for the future. But at times it almost seems like a significant portion of gamers kinda feel entitled to a game which perfectly reflects their own desires and expectations. And when they don't get it, a shitstorm breaks out and a lot of hate is dished out. I repeat: there is nothing wrong with criticizing the game. But what really annoys me is when people complain about the artistic vision of the game, focus on irrelevant things or freak out about totally absurd stuff. You've got to give the creators some space to breathe! No-one can work on their best if an incessant hate campaign is always lurking around the corner. So it's kind of a two-way street. On the one hand, fans are too eager to hate. On the other hand, Bioware and EA lack guts and are too eager to response to the hate in the wrong ways. Personally, I've never been shy to criticize Bioware, but at the end of the day, I've always tried to be a supportive fan, and Bioware is a jewel among game developers. That being said, I do feel a sense of apprehension about the future of the company, though. The direction they have been heading to with SWTOR and Anthem, and the way they keep putting more resources into multiplayer, it really makes me feel like the company might slowly lose relevance to me, who loves the epic single-player immersive RPGs but who doesn't care about the social part at all. But the thing is, some 50% of my all-time favourite games were made by Bioware, and the feels DA2 and MET have given me, it's just beyond words. And no matter what happens, nothing will ever change that. Bioware has already had a good run, and if BW as we have known it meets its end someday, I won't have any regrets. I'll just be grateful for all the stuff they did, because let's face it, everything ends eventually But fortunately, I think the old BW still has a few years to go. DA4 is pretty much confirmed, and maybe we'll get MEA2 someday as well, if we are lucky.
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Post by ross42899 on Aug 21, 2017 7:36:37 GMT
MEA ended in such an unsatisfying way with so many loose ends and open plots left, I want the next game to continue where MEA ended. Also I want to explore the new characters and galaxy more.
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 21, 2017 7:38:52 GMT
Bioware will reboot the series in a few years. The Andromeda name is simply too toxic for them to touch again. Andromeda 2 will just bring up flash backs of the poorly made first game, which would be a bad move in terms of marketing. There is zero chance we see a sequel to Andromeda. It's always curious to me how people think that a reboot of the original trilogy would automatically be a good thing. Infinitely better than a sequel to the disaster that was Andromeda.
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Post by ivymorosa on Aug 21, 2017 11:27:39 GMT
We've only explored one star-cluster in Andromeda, haven't we? I want to explore the rest of Andromeda, encounter new aliens & civilizations. I want to see the Andromeda equivalent of the Citadel (if there is one, the Nexus is the Heleus-Cluster equivalent), encounter pre-spaceflight aliens as well as several aliens who've already made first-contact with each other. I want to find the Jardaan and witness the emotional reunion between the creators (the Jaradan) & the created (the Angara), as well as meet the aliens who deployed the Scourge against them. I also want to see a place similiar to Khi Tasira, except more lively with both Remnant & Jardaan. You have a whole new galaxy to expand upon, Bioware. That is already your reboot. I absolutely agree. And the Kett empire where did we leave it? It would only take a game for that.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 21, 2017 11:40:03 GMT
I definitely understand where you are coming from. I think the simple lesson to take away from this is that BioWare is one of the pioneers and most innovative developers in the industry. For years, BioWare has set a standard for how storytelling and character crafting should be done in video games. From huge hits like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, to the Mass Effect trilogy and Dragon Age, BioWare has shown time and time again that it is one of the best when it comes to crafting RPGs. I think that has created quite the following of fans from all walks of life, in part because BioWare games attempt to be as inclusive and as open-minded as possible. There simply is no other developer that has tried to support both genders, as well as various sexual orientations, as long as BioWare has. In fact, most developers still don't even bother to attempt either. BioWare is just special, and that can lead to very high expectations, as well as a healthy dosage of trolls hoping to see it fail. Andromeda did not deserve the fate it received, but it's also clear that BioWare did not manage the project as it should have either. I loved the game and enjoyed it immensely. But, I recognize voices like mine were overshadowed by the memes, the lackluster reviews, and the bugs at release. BioWare, with its legacy, cannot afford to release a game with so many glaring issues, with so much hype and anticipation behind it. BioWare cannot afford to make mistakes that many other studios might be forgiven for. It may not be fair or reasonable, but BioWare has a long history of excellence that it must always compete with. At the very least, I'd like BioWare to learn from this lesson and make an effort to avoid this ever happening again in the future with any of their games. I hope Mass Effect returns, and if it so happens to be Andromeda 2, I also hope that BioWare blows our minds with what they do next. That's all we really can do now as Mass Effect fans and BioWare fans.
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Post by Wildfire on Aug 21, 2017 12:53:56 GMT
Revan Reborn : Yeah the one thing I hope fans would learn is expectations management - it's unfair that BW would have to compete against its own previous games, because not every game can be a new MET or DA2 or whatever it is that people consider to be the earth-shattering experience for them. I'm speaking from personal experience here: the moment I stopped waiting for Bioware to deliver the feels of DA2 or NWN: Hordes of the Underdark with its every title, I was free to approach every new BW game with an open mind - as I result, I was able to enjoy new BW games more and eventually experience even better feels.
Of course, the historical baggage is completely understandable. I guess that's the reason why Bioware should be extra careful as not to make any stupid and unforced mistakes, just as you said. The way the things panned out with Andromeda, it feels like a good game and a promising start to a new Trilogy was watered down and destroyed by some inconsequential bullshit.
Ugh, the whole thing makes me angry. Because Andromeda is so good!!! Why can't people just believe it, dammit
DA4 should bring me comfort, but it's not been officially confirmed yet, and it's hard to feel consoled in any case cuz I'm in total ME mode right now
Well, I guess there's nothing left to do at this point than to pray to the Goddess But as I've told myself in the case of DA2 and its cancelled expansion: Be grateful of what happened, and don't be bitter about what did not happen...
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Post by ivymorosa on Aug 21, 2017 13:08:47 GMT
It may not be fair or reasonable, but BioWare has a long history of excellence that it must always compete with. At the very least, I'd like BioWare to learn from this lesson and make an effort to avoid this ever happening again in the future with any of their games. I hope Mass Effect returns, and if it so happens to be Andromeda 2, I also hope that BioWare blows our minds with what they do next. That's all we really can do now as Mass Effect fans and BioWare fans. Exact. Bioware is a creator of intense emotions. Create what gives us the chance to escape from the real world sometimes not very enjoyable. Its games have a sense and purpose that in almost every other is not there. His characters become your friends feel part of the game itself. But I'm sure all this is already losing the road. I do not think Anthem will be this kind of game and I also fear for DA4.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 21, 2017 14:29:46 GMT
It will be hard to even continue the series at this point, let alone a direct sequel. There was backlash over ME3, but they delivered some quality DLC, and ultimately left the fans happy with the Citadel DLC.
This game however, now that they've abandoned it, can't help but leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths. This is going to be the last thing people remember when they say we're making a new ME game. Also, what traction did this game even get as far as re-establishing the franchise? It's just going to be hard to release a new game, even moreso anything with Andromeda in the title. They may need to go the DA route and just change character and setting each game. Make it about the galaxy and not a specific character.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 21, 2017 15:16:03 GMT
Exact. Bioware is a creator of intense emotions. Create what gives us the chance to escape from the real world sometimes not very enjoyable. Its games have a sense and purpose that in almost every other is not there. His characters become your friends feel part of the game itself. But I'm sure all this is already losing the road. I do not think Anthem will be this kind of game and I also fear for DA4. I'll reserve judgment on Anthem and DA4 until I know more about both, but I'll expect the worst and hope for the best.
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