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Post by duckley on Aug 20, 2017 18:26:00 GMT
I cannot support any future MEA game. I have no trust left. I can't understand why Bioware has chosen to screw their fans. Comics and Novels are not what I signed up for when I purchased the game. Bioware is under no obligation to produce any dlcs... I get that. But they sold a game that screamed for one or two dlcs and then for some reason chose to pack it in. They didn't even have the courtesy to explain why to their fan base... just like when they closed their forum. Give me, your paying customer, at least the respect of knowing why. This was a fun game with lots of potential I had a blast playing it. The writing, acting, story, characters were all fine... not brilliant but just fine and entertaining. Betrayed, dismayed, played... I guarantee you it's an EA decision and BioWare gets to take the lumps for it. BioWare very much has its hands tied as the EA "hug" gets tighter. Well that mitigates somewhat, but still wish I could hear something more specific and direct from Bioware as to why.
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Post by clips7 on Aug 20, 2017 18:45:38 GMT
I cannot support any future MEA game. I have no trust left. I can't understand why Bioware has chosen to screw their fans. Comics and Novels are not what I signed up for when I purchased the game. Bioware is under no obligation to produce any dlcs... I get that. But they sold a game that screamed for one or two dlcs and then for some reason chose to pack it in. They didn't even have the courtesy to explain why to their fan base... just like when they closed their forum. Give me, your paying customer, at least the respect of knowing why. This was a fun game with lots of potential I had a blast playing it. The writing, acting, story, characters were all fine... not brilliant but just fine and entertaining. Betrayed, dismayed, played... I guarantee you it's an EA decision and BioWare gets to take the lumps for it. BioWare very much has its hands tied as the EA "hug" gets tighter. This....EA gets the last say in anything...it's why i didn't believe them when they stated that "if Andromeda needs more time for polishing, it will have it" <---- not a direct quote, but eh,,they said that if Bioware needed more time, they would give it to them and granted i believe that was back in Nov of 2016 and it was pushed back to March of 2017 (5 months)...and clearly the game wasn't ready then, ....but guess what?....that game needed to be part it's fiscal year...so ready or not that game shipped and you saw the ensuing backlash. So story and character elements are things that patches can't fix, but EA saying they would have given Bioware more time?...NOPE....they green-lighted that game knowing it was nowhere near ready and figured they already got a bunch of suckers through pre-orders and figured they could do damage control with day 1 patchings....Bioware shares the blame here too, but not entirely...
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Post by abaris on Aug 20, 2017 18:59:58 GMT
I guarantee you it's an EA decision and BioWare gets to take the lumps for it. BioWare very much has its hands tied as the EA "hug" gets tighter. Not to get all conspiracy like, but I fear they're pushed in the MP direction instead of being able to play to their strengths. Which always was SP content.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 20, 2017 19:05:51 GMT
The funny thing is that historically Bio's always wanted to be in the MP game. They almost destroyed NWN over it.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Aug 20, 2017 19:29:34 GMT
I'm not in despair. It's a video game. Anyway, like I said before, couple this with EA (in their earnings statement) saying Mass Effect had a future and they liked the way Bioware was handling it and folks who want more Mass Effect are clearly going to get more. Stick to arguments, not attacking how you think folks are feeling. That's guesswork at best and doesn't address the points that are made. ME dextro cereal.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 20, 2017 20:14:08 GMT
Every time someone caves and does a microtransaction, single player games die just that bit more. MP is fast cash, and easy to make. Also, really stupid decisions made by some, like one guy who posted here in the MP section that because he only had a one in 8 million chance of getting the gun he wanted in MP, he was going to blow $500 real money to buy loot boxes . . .
The battle is being lost people unless we all get a clue, and it may already be too late. They are only catering to mentality like I just described.
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Post by ross42899 on Aug 21, 2017 7:50:47 GMT
I would love if we got a proper MEA2 sequel that finishes the unsreolved plots from MEA. But I fear they do another reboot and completely ignore all the loose ends. I will buy a proper MEA2, but not another ME game with a new reboot.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2017 8:36:04 GMT
RIP Mass Effect. Or at least: It's gonna be even harder now to reinvigourate the franchise.
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Post by sdzald on Aug 21, 2017 16:56:04 GMT
I think single player RPGs in the cinematic ME style don't make financial sense for EA. Not just EA but most company's. The 'money making model' has been evolving over the last 10 years, MMO's and micro transaction games clearly make a company MUCH more money than any Single Player game can make. Company's like EA really only care about one thing and that is making money. Heck even Rockstar has caved in, look at GTA, they are making so much money with the multiplayer side and micro transaction we never got a single player DLC for the game. Us Single Player RPG game fans are going to be left behind. There are still a few out there like CDRP but our choices are growing short. Gaming like everything else is cyclic but I do believe us RPG fans are headed into the Dark Ages for some time to come.
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Post by duckley on Aug 21, 2017 17:25:08 GMT
According to EA's CFO Jorgensen Mass Effect Andromeda contributed a significant amount to digital sales. "Digital net sales were $681 million, a new record for the first quarter, and up $113 million on the year-ago period. The increase reflects strength in live services, together with our mobile business. In addition, Mass Effect: Andromeda was a significant contributor. Full game PC and console downloads generated net sales of $111 million, 32% higher than last year. This was driven by Mass Effect: Andromeda sales captured in the quarter."www.gamezone.com/news/mass-effect-andromeda-labeled-a-significant-contributor-to-ea-s-record-breaking-digital-sales-numbers-3456111Didn't people complain that after DAI came out that would be the last of that franchise and they are making DA4. All the announcement says is that there will be no DLC, patches or updates for MEA and that stories from the Andromeda galaxy will continue to be told in other forms. Nothing about canceling future ME games. I don't think the franchise is dead...one mediorce game out of the entire series does not spell doom for the franchise. That earnings statement can be a bit misleading only because we don't know the parameters around what EA told shareholders what they expected Andromeda to sell. Whereas with Square and their fiasco with the "Tomb Raider Reboot" i believe square told shareholders that game would sell 10 million copies, when i believe it sold 5 million and square considered the game a failure since it didn't meet their projected earnings number. In reality 5 million copies for a newly reinvented reboot is amazingly impressive. It just means that all of this points to if Andromeda made EA a profit for them and it's hard for them not to commit to DLC when they stated Andromeda contributed to their fiscal numbers. So idk...i guess what people need to understand too is that these patches that Bioware have been doing are NOT cheap. I guess they felt that the game couldn't recover from the initial backlash and when they re-released that free trial for the game, the numbers showed that people didn't care much for it or that the patches didn't have much impact on the game overall, which probably points to what was the major issue with this game anyway outside of it's animation issues....inspired story and characters. Ultimately they probably just cut their loses and figured creating a DLC would result in them losing more money than profiting from it. For me the franchise is now dead.... because by not supporting current players and fans and leaving us with an incomplete story , there is no motivation to wait for the next iteration. The franchise is dead, because why would a player who has never played the game buy it now.? So not only are they disappointing current fans, but future fans as well. I really feel Bioware and EA are killing the franchise by compounding a poor decision (release before game was ready) by creating ill will and seriously limiting future sales. To me this pretty much means EA is done with MEA. I wonder if they can sell the franchise to a different studio... so sad
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Post by ozzie on Aug 21, 2017 18:07:10 GMT
I would love if we got a proper MEA2 sequel that finishes the unsreolved plots from MEA. But I fear they do another reboot and completely ignore all the loose ends. I will buy a proper MEA2, but not another ME game with a new reboot. Even if they smash it out the park? Seems an unreasonable position to me, sure I have absolutely no interest in a MEA2 but that is based entirely on never completing ME:A not on principle or anything. I love the ME franchise and done right they could sell me anything else (obviously not on day one again, fool me once ) a ME3 sequel, a reboot, a remastering of the OT, a spin off, anything.... even a reboot of Andromeda, just done right. Just not MEA2
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Post by abedsbrother on Aug 21, 2017 18:12:07 GMT
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Post by sdzald on Aug 21, 2017 18:21:15 GMT
I'm actually surprised there isn't at least one dlc, i thought the assets would already be mostly done. In retrospect, looking back at how unpolished the game was at release and how much flak it got for it, i guess it makes sense that any plans for dlc was canned. I'm surprised how fast EAware is willing to drop a franchise just like that, even if it isn't doing as well as expected, instead of trying to salvage what they can from it. There is no way i'm buying an EAware game at release again. NOTHING EA does surprises me. They have a very long history of making very bad decisions when it comes to games. Their business model has always been to buy up company's like Bioware, milk them tell they destroy them then move onto the next company, all the while living off the revenue they get from the brain dead sports gamers paying yearly for bug ridden sports games. I am off that merry-go-round.
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Post by reighto on Aug 22, 2017 12:03:52 GMT
I'll continue to play the MET and ME:A like I have been for better parts of a decade. The announcement today can't retroactively make me un-enjoy what I've already enjoyed from all four games. I don't understand the need for extremes...it's just a game. Funny thing about going back to the MET, it's the PS3 controller in itself that keeps me back a little bit. Goddamn is that thing a cheap POS compared to the PS4's. The PS4 controller is compatible with the PS3.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 12:54:04 GMT
Funny thing about going back to the MET, it's the PS3 controller in itself that keeps me back a little bit. Goddamn is that thing a cheap POS compared to the PS4's. The PS4 controller is compatible with the PS3. The last time I tried, it didn't seem to work. I fired up old Destiny and it did, yet with Mass Effect it was unresponsive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:21:55 GMT
I think single player RPGs in the cinematic ME style don't make financial sense for EA. This. With all the various flags, alternate characters / deaths, LIs, etc. they had to account for by ME3 - it got hella expensive to produce. It seems that most people play through their games only once (if they even finish it), and that's a lot of extra content that most players will never see. I think that's one of the reasons why we haven't seen alternative PC origins since DA:O. There's several hours of content cutoff as soon as you choose your warden's background. Of course, it means that these games offer great value to those of us who do like to play the games over and over again and make different choices to see the other content - but it doesn't add anything to BioWare/EA's bottom line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:25:23 GMT
I'll continue to play the MET and ME:A like I have been for better parts of a decade. The announcement today can't retroactively make me un-enjoy what I've already enjoyed from all four games. I don't understand the need for extremes...it's just a game. Funny thing about going back to the MET, it's the PS3 controller in itself that keeps me back a little bit. Goddamn is that thing a cheap POS compared to the PS4's. 1. Build a gaming PC. 2. Install the trilogy on the new rig. 3. Install DS4Windows (or other xinput emulator of your choice). 4. Install controller support mods from Nexus. 5. Install any other mods that appeal to you. 6. Enjoy console commands as well. 7. Profit.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 23, 2017 3:30:05 GMT
ME:A not only failed both financially and critically, but it also sunk the studio that developed it. People aren't exaggerating the announcement, they are taking it to its logical conclusion. cite the fact it was an actual financial failure--not underperformed to their expectations, failure. After their financial statement contradicts yours. Please give facts. It financially underperformed and they had a kneejerk reaction. In fact, I'm not so sure they ever intended to make dlc at all in the wake of the announcement and leaving the story in mediocre at best work-for-hire novels and comics.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 23, 2017 3:34:28 GMT
I'm actually surprised there isn't at least one dlc, i thought the assets would already be mostly done. In retrospect, looking back at how unpolished the game was at release and how much flak it got for it, i guess it makes sense that any plans for dlc was canned. I'm surprised how fast EAware is willing to drop a franchise just like that, even if it isn't doing as well as expected, instead of trying to salvage what they can from it. There is no way i'm buying an EAware game at release again. NOTHING EA does surprises me. They have a very long history of making very bad decisions when it comes to games. Their business model has always been to buy up company's like Bioware, milk them tell they destroy them then move onto the next company, all the while living off the revenue they get from the brain dead sports gamers paying yearly for bug ridden sports games. I am off that merry-go-round. any other company that wasn't EA would still release one dlc before shelving it. Instead EA released a broken game, then ignored the fact it still made money. Now the social cripples think their mental illness and lol memes control the world. I think Anthem may be a decent game for its genre but they'll probably put it on life support within two years and leave bugs within for just as long. Then they'll cut Bioware's throat and toss it in the charnel pit with the other developers they consumed.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 23, 2017 4:00:33 GMT
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Post by Xesthan on Aug 23, 2017 5:49:23 GMT
I think single player RPGs in the cinematic ME style don't make financial sense for EA. This. With all the various flags, alternate characters / deaths, LIs, etc. they had to account for by ME3 - it got hella expensive to produce. It seems that most people play through their games only once (if they even finish it), and that's a lot of extra content that most players will never see. I think that's one of the reasons why we haven't seen alternative PC origins since DA:O. There's several hours of content cutoff as soon as you choose your warden's background. Of course, it means that these games offer great value to those of us who do like to play the games over and over again and make different choices to see the other content - but it doesn't add anything to BioWare/EA's bottom line. Yeah, the reason why they stopped doing Origin stories is because they take a lot of time and resources. Time that could be put towards other parts of the game.
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Post by SilentK on Aug 23, 2017 7:14:27 GMT
If they make a new Mass Effect game I don't know if it will be a game for me. Perhaps they will go all MMO-multiplayer-get-a-group and that is not what I want in my BioWare-games. They might return to the Mass Effect universe but they might not do so in a way that I enjoy since I want singleplayer, companions and story.
I am not ready to hope for the future, will spend my time with the games I already own and love. We will see what the future brings for Mass Effect.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 23, 2017 8:06:27 GMT
Here's what we know, these are the facts unless EA is lying about the below points.
1. MEA was financially successful. They have said it multiple times. 2. However that success EA did not believe justified DLC for the game. For one reason or another. Maybe its an experiement, maybe they are just looking into their crystal ball and predict that a SP DLC...for whatever reason...would not be profitable. We will never know their exact reasoning, but here we are. 3. However there will be future stories. We do not know exactly what form this will take and what plot lines will be answered and what won't be, but...again there we are.
Everything else is speculation. Yes even I speculate that this it the death of the ME franchise. And yes I even speculate that this could become a trend for future BioWare games, I just do not know.
Does this suck? Yes, this does suck. And I understand the feelings of betrayal. But...this is what happens in modern day fiction, generally speaking. Your work is either popular enough to be profitable and it warants a sequel or expansion, or it does not. I am annoyed at BioWare but I have every intention to continue purchasing their products, as long as they continue to deliver quality entertainment which I can continue to play (so no online only please, that will annoy).
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Post by suikoden on Aug 23, 2017 18:20:52 GMT
Here's what we know, these are the facts unless EA is lying about the below points. 1. MEA was financially successful. They have said it multiple times. 2. However that success EA did not believe justified DLC for the game. For one reason or another. Maybe its an experiement, maybe they are just looking into their crystal ball and predict that a SP DLC...for whatever reason...would not be profitable. We will never know their exact reasoning, but here we are. 3. However there will be future stories. We do not know exactly what form this will take and what plot lines will be answered and what won't be, but...again there we are. Everything else is speculation. Yes even I speculate that this it the death of the ME franchise. And yes I even speculate that this could become a trend for future BioWare games, I just do not know. Does this suck? Yes, this does suck. And I understand the feelings of betrayal. But...this is what happens in modern day fiction, generally speaking. Your work is either popular enough to be profitable and it warants a sequel or expansion, or it does not. I am annoyed at BioWare but I have every intention to continue purchasing their products, as long as they continue to deliver quality entertainment which I can continue to play (so no online only please, that will annoy). They never specifically said that the game was financially successful. They used a lot of lingo about "driving sales" - business speak for "we don't want to reveal how poorly this game sold - but it was bad enough that DLC is not worth it for the first time ever"
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Post by abaris on Aug 23, 2017 18:30:41 GMT
If they make a new Mass Effect game I don't know if it will be a game for me. Perhaps they will go all MMO-multiplayer-get-a-group and that is not what I want in my BioWare-games. They might return to the Mass Effect universe but they might not do so in a way that I enjoy since I want singleplayer, companions and story. They even said something along these lines, back in the day. I can't remember who was ventilating the idea of an MMO in the Mass Effect universe, but it was one of the higher ups on the old boards, shortly after the release of ME3. Maybe Anthem is what came of this, but given the direction they're taking, I'm not overly optimistic for a future game that rises up to old Bioware standards.
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