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Post by alihou on Aug 21, 2017 5:05:14 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 21, 2017 5:12:13 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Aug 21, 2017 5:27:05 GMT
I don't think ME: A is a flop it's just that they're working on other projects. That being said I feel that a lot of the hate was exaggerated.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 21, 2017 5:48:42 GMT
They have only themselves to blame for trying to support this shitty game and trying to praise lazy work.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 21, 2017 5:55:32 GMT
People are welcome to look for any reason they want, for your arguments against the game are just as true as there could be. Just because it differs from yours doesn't mean it is untrue or true.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Aug 21, 2017 6:51:57 GMT
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Post by Transcended One on Aug 21, 2017 7:03:38 GMT
Why does EA gets the blame here actually? For giving BW too much freedom, so the latter just wandered about without a clear goal in mind?
Five years should have been plenty of time for a game to come to fruition.
Or is there something I missed?
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Post by alihou on Aug 21, 2017 7:06:33 GMT
Why does EA gets the blame here actually? For giving BW too much freedom, so the latter just wandered about without a clear goal in mind? Five years should have been plenty of time for a game to come to fruition. Or is there something I missed? I said EA/Bioware because we really don't know the full story internally. We really don't know how much influence they had with the game. We can also assume, they could've postponed releasing the game at its current state. |
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Post by Fredward on Aug 21, 2017 7:09:34 GMT
Yeah, it's not really a cross I'm willing to bear both because the product we received was ultimately subpar and because I didn't even join the great memeing. I'm not really down with flagellating for the sins of others, Messiah I'm not.
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Post by warrior on Aug 21, 2017 7:12:18 GMT
Why does EA gets the blame here actually? For giving BW too much freedom, so the latter just wandered about without a clear goal in mind? Five years should have been plenty of time for a game to come to fruition. Or is there something I missed? For releasing a very clearly unfinished/unready product for the sake of fiscal quarter earnings. I guess it's mostly BioWare's fault for mismanaging with a hard deadline in place, but if the corp is ~REQUIRED~ to release an unfinished product to consumers who paid for it for the sake of investors or w/e the fuck, something is wrong. With the company or the "system" or both... Game should have been ready but unfortunately it wasn't -- and an unready product should not be "force released," especially if you also want to have a pre-ordering system. If this is the reality of your business practice, then don't have pre-orders...but of course they would never do that, because they make too much money on those. |
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Post by ross42899 on Aug 21, 2017 7:26:36 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game. Yes the game had it's flaws at release, but the game was NOT as bad as many people claimed it to be. Some criticism was justified, however the huge shitstorm was completely undeserved and exaggerated and did hurt the game in the end. They possibly could have avoided the shitstorm if they released the game 3 months later without most of the animation glitches. I think you have to blame EA and whining fans for the poor success of MEA and us not getting any DLC. |
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 21, 2017 7:32:20 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game. Yes the game had it's flaws at release, but the game was NOT as bad as many people claimed it to be. Some criticism was justified, however the huge shitstorm was completely undeserved and exaggerated and did hurt the game in the end. They possibly could have avoided the shitstorm if they released the game 3 months later without most of the animation glitches. I think you have to blame EA and whining fans for the poor success of MEA and us not getting any DLC.No. |
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 21, 2017 7:32:44 GMT
Well said alihou.
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Post by alihou on Aug 21, 2017 7:48:23 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game. Yes the game had it's flaws at release, but the game was NOT as bad as many people claimed it to be. Some criticism was justified, however the huge shitstorm was completely undeserved and exaggerated and did hurt the game in the end. They possibly could have avoided the shitstorm if they released the game 3 months later without most of the animation glitches. I think you have to blame EA and whining fans for the poor success of MEA and us not getting any DLC. Whining fans? It's really a laughable defense. Blame Bioware for not giving two shits and then writing that insulting message to the fans about listening to criticism and fixing the game. Everything Bioware did was half assed...and the cherry on top...oh btw, we'd like that micro transactions...we're still updating multiplayer. Love Bioware. |
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Post by Kenny Bania on Aug 21, 2017 8:20:02 GMT
It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Anyone who thinks this has lost their grip on reality.
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Post by jclosed on Aug 21, 2017 8:48:14 GMT
It was not really the "fans" that created the "fire" (although some are real rabbit haters that will do everything to bash the game).
In the core it was the social media (in particular YouTube), that cherry-picked some bad animation, an posted them as much as possible. They probably not even hated the game, but just wanted to milk some money out of a "funny" Trent. At the end everybody that thought he/she was some "pewdiepie" jumped in on the "make as ridiculous as possible" movie (most times with the same scene over and over again in the same "movie"). People that where saying "well - the game is not that bad" where attacked (most times by people that not even played the game, but only have seen the "funny" movies), and ridiculed.
So - no. I do not think the "fans" alone killed the game.
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Post by txgoldrush on Aug 21, 2017 8:57:37 GMT
It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Anyone who thinks this has lost their grip on reality.
The fanbase is definitely a factor in the fall of Bioware, because the fanbase simply put, won't allow Bioware to take risks without backlash.
Both DAI and MEA's plots are lifeless shells that check all the conservative storytelling boxes after the backlash of the risk taking DA2 and ME3. You do not tell the story the fans want, they whine and pout and claim its poorly written. The characters have to do this, I want this character as a love interest, I want the ending I want, etc. Your character cannot show weakness, because that's not a choice...and if they do.....RAGE.
So, Bioware has fallen behind game companies that take risks.
The only Bioware team taking risks is Bioware Austin, and really the next SWTOR chapter is going to piss a lot of fans off.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 21, 2017 9:09:52 GMT
Those posters have 'left the building'...  (please let us know if an alt turns up...) 
It was not really the "fans" that created the "fire" (although some are real rabbit haters that will do everything to bash the game). ... How could anyone hate rabbits?   |
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Post by Life is Strange on Aug 21, 2017 9:17:01 GMT
Yes the game had it's flaws at release, but the game was NOT as bad as many people claimed it to be. Some criticism was justified, however the huge shitstorm was completely undeserved and exaggerated and did hurt the game in the end. They possibly could have avoided the shitstorm if they released the game 3 months later without most of the animation glitches. I think you have to blame EA and whining fans for the poor success of MEA and us not getting any DLC.No. Yes! ^^ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 9:18:48 GMT
I think many fans were constructives when they pointed the flaws of the game, especially glitches and bugs. I wrote this plenty of time, those things ruined my experience. It's not normal to sell an unfinished product and to make the custumer pay a full price for it.
The game should have been delayed.
Some other critics (CC, animations etc...) are also true. I was never able to create my Ryder the way I wanted her to be.
I'm not happy when I read that the fandom is guilty for MEA's failure. Yes, some people were too hard on the game, but the majority of the players who wrote critics had real issues with it (and tried to let BW knows, simply to help and have patches fixing them !).
Also, excluding the internet/BSN/fandom influence, I assure you that IRL players I know, who don't give a shit about reviews/forums/memes/internet in general, were also disappointed for the exact same reasons we pointed here.
So you can blame the fans a little, maybe, but if BW had done the job correctly (it seems the developpement changed so many times, I do feel sorry for the devs at the very end of the line of production who had to rush the last months) and if EA have delayed MEA, it would have been a totally different welcome.
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Post by blueasari on Aug 21, 2017 9:27:47 GMT
Do you contribute anything to these forums other than stalking MordinGrimes? Quite pathetic. |
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Post by jclosed on Aug 21, 2017 9:31:57 GMT
Those posters have 'left the building'... (please let us know if an alt turns up...)
It was not really the "fans" that created the "fire" (although some are real rabbit haters that will do everything to bash the game). ... How could anyone hate rabbits? Ooops... That will teach me not to post something in a not native language (I am Dutch), while being distracted by an girlfriend. Ouch... ;-). |
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Post by blueasari on Aug 21, 2017 9:33:35 GMT
It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Anyone who thinks this has lost their grip on reality. |
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 21, 2017 9:34:26 GMT
The plug for SP DLC was likely pulled way before the game's release. There's a book about the Quarian Ark, and we never had books set in BioWare's universes that told a story you were supposed to play through in DLC or the main game itself. Writing that book took time, and the decision to not have SP DLC was therefore made just as long ago as the decision to write and publish this book.
The fan reactions, as unwarranted as some were, are not to blame for this. The failure of MEA as a project, though not necessarily as a game, is the most likely culprit.
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