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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2017 9:45:08 GMT
The plug for SP DLC was likely pulled way before the game's release. There's a book about the Quarian Ark, and we never had books set in BioWare's universes that told a story you were supposed to play through in DLC or the main game itself. Writing that book took time, and the decision to not have SP DLC was therefore made just as long ago as the decision to write and publish this book. The fan reactions, as unwarranted as some were, are not to blame for this. The failure of MEA as a project, though not necessarily as a game, is the most likely culprit. The Quarian Ark was teased in the game. I don't think they really wanted to cross-sell books with that - has that ever worked? If the plug was indeed pulled before release, why did they leave that in? Too hard to remove?
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 21, 2017 9:50:27 GMT
Why does EA gets the blame here actually? For giving BW too much freedom, so the latter just wandered about without a clear goal in mind? Five years should have been plenty of time for a game to come to fruition. Or is there something I missed? I said EA/Bioware because we really don't know the full story internally. We really don't know how much influence they had with the game. We can also assume, they could've postponed releasing the game at its current state. Even though I like the game I personally believe that Biowares managers drop the ball and thought the game was going to write itself. And as far as EA is concerned the only influence they had for Andromeda was by telling Bioware that there needs to be more games in their highly successful series Mass Effect. EA couldn't see throwing away a very successful series just because the devs at Bioware wanted to shelve the series and move on to other things. I would bet that EA thought it would be in safe hands even if they allowed a studio of lesser experience to work on the title because Bioware had built three installments of the series already and they hoped that they could "babysit" them so to speak. And they would be able to rely on the more experienced upper management to give them to give them the resources,tools and to guide them throughout the creation process. You can read an interview with one of Biowares founders Greg Zeschuk where he discusses the positive effect that EA had for Bioware ( of course things could of changed since then ) www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-09-the-doctor-is-out-greg-zeschuk-on-bioware-ea-and-the-uncertain-console-futureOr you can blame Trump since EA and Take-Two claim that "Trump’s policies are hurting the US game industry, say EA and Take-Two". Which actually wouldn't do Andromeda any good since he had just recently became president. www.polygon.com/2017/8/2/16083638/trump-game-industry-ea-take-two
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 21, 2017 9:54:59 GMT
The Quarian Ark was teased in the game. I don't think they really wanted to cross-sell books with that - has that ever worked? If the plug was indeed pulled before release, why did they leave that in? Too hard to remove? Good question. I doubt it was hard to remove - they only needed to make the console that plays the message non-interactive. They probably planned Quarian Ark related DLC during the early stages of the project and then left it in after EA decided that there wouldn't be any story DLC. Or it's just another plot hook they simply forgot about - remember how "Weisshaupt going silent" was an ominous thing hinted at during the original DAI epilogue? Two years later, during the events of Trespasser, Hawke is back from Weisshaupt and... nothing happened. Maybe in some book or comic, but not in the game.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2017 10:08:01 GMT
The Quarian Ark was teased in the game. I don't think they really wanted to cross-sell books with that - has that ever worked? If the plug was indeed pulled before release, why did they leave that in? Too hard to remove? Good question. I doubt it was hard to remove - they only needed to make the console that plays the message non-interactive. They probably planned Quarian Ark related DLC during the early stages of the project and then left it in after EA decided that there wouldn't be any story DLC. Or it's just another plot hook they simply forgot about - remember how "Weisshaupt going silent" was an ominous thing hinted at during the original DAI epilogue? Two years later, during the events of Trespasser, Hawke is back from Weisshaupt and... nothing happened. Maybe in some book or comic, but not in the game. Man, that'd be really sloppy to forget.
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 21, 2017 10:10:02 GMT
The Quarian Ark was teased in the game. I don't think they really wanted to cross-sell books with that - has that ever worked? If the plug was indeed pulled before release, why did they leave that in? Too hard to remove? Good question. I doubt it was hard to remove - they only needed to make the console that plays the message non-interactive. They probably planned Quarian Ark related DLC during the early stages of the project and then left it in after EA decided that there wouldn't be any story DLC. Or it's just another plot hook they simply forgot about - remember how "Weisshaupt going silent" was an ominous thing hinted at during the original DAI epilogue? Two years later, during the events of Trespasser, Hawke is back from Weisshaupt and... nothing happened. Maybe in some book or comic, but not in the game. I'll play the devil's advecate and say that I hope that they probably hadn't planned for dlc for Andromeda. And that the Quarian Ark and Benefactor story arcs left were left untold because they would be the starting point for ME: A II. You gotta have hope...Right ?
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 21, 2017 10:44:37 GMT
I don't think ME: A is a flop it's just that they're working on other projects. That being said I feel that a lot of the hate was exaggerated. ....it was a flop. Other projects has nothing to do with it. MEA bombed, and EA wants to cut their losses and move on.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 10:56:24 GMT
In the core it was the social media (in particular YouTube), that cherry-picked some bad animation, an posted them as much as possible. They probably not even hated the game, but just wanted to milk some money out of a "funny" Trent True, but also true that this happened because of extremely bad marketing. Pushing Origin Access by publishing the first ten hours of a bugged game to the general public while the game magazines still didn't have access. They called the storm, but the storm didn't sink the ship. A rather mediocre game did it all by itself. And the mediocrity couldn't be fixed with patches.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 21, 2017 10:59:39 GMT
I don't think ME: A is a flop it's just that they're working on other projects. That being said I feel that a lot of the hate was exaggerated. ....it was a flop. Other projects has nothing to do with it. MEA bombed, and EA wants to cut their losses and move on. Making lots of money is a flop? Maybe in world of fantasy. In world of dollars and cents it was deeply flawed but profitable and in most cases would warrant an eventual sequel. I'm to the point now I hope the franchise is dead to I can watch the neckbeards cry over that when they thought they would get the game their dumb slowflake butts originally wanted.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 21, 2017 11:41:24 GMT
The game didn't get any DLC because the market didn't warrant it, plain and simple. EA is a dollars and cents organization from everything I've seen. It's not because of whining, it's not because they have no one to work on it, it's not because they never planned on any.
If any of that were the case, they would have never re-released the trial, ran promotions and free giveaways, or re-circulated the survey asking how likely you would be to recommend this game to a friend. They patched it, checked to see if the game's perception had improved after the patches, looked at everything in its totality and made a decision. I'm sure they have data on how many people finished the game, how many finished it more than once and the last time people actually played it.
They were trying to re-establish the series, and give it some traction, so having a plan that never involved releasing DLC, or having no plan to have personnel available to work on it is counterproductive to that goal. If they try to release another ME game in the future, this is the taste people will have in their mouths, that they abandoned the game. People honestly think that this was the intended plan?
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Post by Fogg on Aug 21, 2017 12:04:42 GMT
The fans are only one percent of the people that have to buy a game to make it a succes. The biggest reason there won't be DLC is probably because a majority of players that bought the game, didn't finish it. They can see it on Origin.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 12:19:03 GMT
If any of that were the case, they would have never re-released the trial, ran promotions and free giveaways, or re-circulated the survey asking how likely you would be to recommend this game to a friend. I'm pretty sure that their main focus was hooking players on MP. They may or may not have planned content, but all their promotions left the impression of aggressively pushing MP and nothing else.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 21, 2017 12:29:29 GMT
If any of that were the case, they would have never re-released the trial, ran promotions and free giveaways, or re-circulated the survey asking how likely you would be to recommend this game to a friend. I'm pretty sure that their main focus was hooking players on MP. They may or may not have planned content, but all their promotions left the impression of aggressively pushing MP and nothing else. I actually got the survey and the question about would you recommend the game was definitely for SP. They asked you that question, and then asked if you would like to answer some questions on MP (yes/no), they were optional.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 12:34:53 GMT
They asked you that question, and then asked if you would like to answer some questions on MP (yes/no), they were optional. Not mutually exclusive of course, but, being familar with PR, it only left the impression that MP was their main focus on me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 12:36:48 GMT
I see no purchase in playing the blame game. I accept what happened, that other people did not like the game. There is nothing for it. I bow to the majority and pray that next game I like will be universally loved. But my heart has no talent in picking the winners of the masses' approval. I strike out on all these "average gamer" and "universal" stuff.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Aug 21, 2017 13:07:15 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game. 100% right OP. Look at No Man's Sky. This game was totally f... up and hated, and there was a genuine reason for that. Hello Games knew that they screw it - completely, utterly. But they didn't gave up, even when people been still shitting on them. And look - one year later, NMS is completely different game. Big updates are coming frequently, latest one even include story mode, NMS is closer than ever to become the game they promised long time ago. EA and BW just choose easiest way - they are not happy ? So let's abandon it. F... the players. Simple as that. Some people got some sense of honour, some just like to show middle finger to their fanbase. I don't care so much, but i feel sorry for a lot of people here who really believe EA and BW will not let them down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 13:39:40 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game. Yes the game had it's flaws at release, but the game was NOT as bad as many people claimed it to be. Some criticism was justified, however the huge shitstorm was completely undeserved and exaggerated and did hurt the game in the end. They possibly could have avoided the shitstorm if they released the game 3 months later without most of the animation glitches. I think you have to blame EA and whining fans for the poor success of MEA and us not getting any DLC. Why? EA gave Bioware 5 years plus extended it several months for them to get it out. EA (like all other corporations) are out to make money. IF Montreal couldn't do it within the given time frame, then they should have just said so. At some point people need to hop off the blame EA train and point the finger at Bioware once in a while. EA has deserved a lot of it's hate but not this time imo...
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 21, 2017 13:43:13 GMT
Whiny fans killed the Franchise. Now that is some acrobatic logics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 13:46:28 GMT
Whiny fans killed the Franchise. Now that is some acrobatic logics.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 21, 2017 14:07:54 GMT
As much as I'd like to be able to say I killed ME:A, it's simply not true. If whiny fans could ruin a game, Blizzard and Riot would have gone out of business a long time ago.
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Post by derrame on Aug 21, 2017 14:34:39 GMT
exacty! bioware montreal developed the game, not fans, so, bioware is responsible
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 14:54:49 GMT
As much as I'd like to be able to say I killed ME:A, it's simply not true. If whiny fans could ruin a game, Blizzard and Riot would have gone out of business a long time ago.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 21, 2017 15:11:10 GMT
BioWare released a messy game and got a messy reception. Next time, they just need to get their shit together again. Not these unfinished and mediocre games.
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Post by dazzarlok on Aug 21, 2017 15:13:50 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game. Yes the game had it's flaws at release, but the game was NOT as bad as many people claimed it to be. Some criticism was justified, however the huge shitstorm was completely undeserved and exaggerated and did hurt the game in the end. They possibly could have avoided the shitstorm if they released the game 3 months later without most of the animation glitches. I think you have to blame EA and whining fans for the poor success of MEA and us not getting any DLC.Didn't a lot of fans "whine" when DA2 came out and yet that game got DLC anyway.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 15:26:35 GMT
Didn't a lot of fans "whine" when DA2 came out and yet that game got DLC anyway. Me included after playing the demo. The combat, dropping in and exploding enemies appalled me. I only got around to buying it after having played MEA. And to my surprise, DA2 was so much better.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 21, 2017 15:29:47 GMT
....it was a flop. Other projects has nothing to do with it. MEA bombed, and EA wants to cut their losses and move on. Making lots of money is a flop? Maybe in world of fantasy. In world of dollars and cents it was deeply flawed but profitable and in most cases would warrant an eventual sequel. I'm to the point now I hope the franchise is dead to I can watch the neckbeards cry over that when they thought they would get the game their dumb slowflake butts originally wanted. ME1, ME2, ME3, DAO, DA2, and DAI also made lots of money and all of them recieved MULTIPLE SP DLC updates. So whats MEA's excuse?
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