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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 15:33:37 GMT
ME1, ME2, ME3, DAO, DA2, and DAI also made lots of money and all of them recieved MULTIPLE SP DLC updates. So whats MEA's excuse? I'm starting to think, they really might have tried a new tac. Aggressively pushing multiplayer and their comics. Time will tell what direction they're taking in the future. Anthem doesn't bode well. The ultimate litmus test will come with DA4 - if it comes, that is.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 21, 2017 15:36:13 GMT
I agree, can't blame the fans cause it's something every game gets, there's always people out to get it down. Bioware isn't this special snowflake that gets more hate than most, they're much smaller than the rest of the triple A industry to begin with so they have it pretty easy with its fans.
The blame goes squarely on EA/Bioware. These people can't even give DLC for those who did like it so it's even better seeing people blame the fans. It's like they(bioware) can do no wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:43:56 GMT
ME1, ME2, ME3, DAO, DA2, and DAI also made lots of money and all of them recieved MULTIPLE SP DLC updates. So whats MEA's excuse? I'm starting to think, they really might have tried a new tac. Aggressively pushing multiplayer and their comics. Time will tell what direction they're taking in the future. Anthem doesn't bode well. The ultimate litmus test will come with DA4 - if it comes, that is. You wish... seriously, if they did aggressively pushed MP in Andromeda, adding the awesome sh*t to it even if it cost more money, I'd be happy. But they cut off the development way before there was enough maps & character species for my liking. I am way more bothered by not getting Quarians and Drell in MP than in SP, tbh, as well, I did enjoy SP as is, but MP w/o enough kits to have fun with...
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 15:46:29 GMT
You wish... seriously, if they did aggressively pushed MP in Andromeda, adding the awesome sh*t to it even if it cost more money, I'd be happy. But they cut off the development way before there was enough maps & character species for my liking. Doesn't change the fact that it's a sure win for the company. Easier to produce than SP content and a sufficient amount of feeble minded forking out for microtransactions. Have you looked at what they charge? Up to 99 for a so called best deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 15:53:56 GMT
You wish... seriously, if they did aggressively pushed MP in Andromeda, adding the awesome sh*t to it even if it cost more money, I'd be happy. But they cut off the development way before there was enough maps & character species for my liking. Doesn't change the fact that it's a sure win for the company. Easier to produce than SP content and a sufficient amount of feeble minded forking out for microtransactions. Have you looked at what they charge? Up to 99 for a so called best deal. (shrug) they can put whatever $ they want on the packs, but because they did not go far enough in introducing things you'd want & content that keeps you entertained, the micro transaction won't really happen. MP content creation has a balancing magic to it, to get you so interested and amused, and so tempted that you'd have desires and the instant gratification need. Creating that does cost. We'll build and attractive maps, that are fun to play on numerous times, the kits and monster compendium... it is not trivial. The MP atm is a solid skeleton, with not nearly enough invested in it to tiltilate and tempt. It's like expecting a bumper crop without planting enough seeds. You gonna starve... hells, I wish it were trivial if it meant they'd give us a dozen more maps and three or four new races to play with in MP. SP was not really robbed for MP's sake, lol. Or if it were, there was not much to take. whatever you did not like in SP, don't go blaming MP expenditure for it.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 21, 2017 16:10:04 GMT
I've seen this argument being brought up everywhere, I really don't get it. Comments like " congratulations Andromeda failed because of the whining" " underserved hate" etc etc... Stop making excuses and defending a corporation. You know who you can actually blame? Bioware and EA. Sole responsibility for the failures are completely on them, fans are a trickle effect. They had many many reasons to hate on the game, frankly majority of it was warranted and some was exaggerated. But guess what? There was a lot of truth to it. I don't want to list the problems the game had, if you're on these boards you already know. Stop pointing fingers at fans who are unhappy to justify a reason that this game flopped. This game didn't do itself any favors on release, reactions are expected. I blame Bioware for their ineptitude, it truly breaks my heart. But enough with the excuses with blaming the gaming community. The community is reactive to what's trending, do something good and the reaction is good and vice versa. Bioware has yet to respond with anything of value, their patches have been half assed, their in game additions have been lackluster, so this fire has been burning sometime...Bioware hasn't addressed it. Then they flat out quit on the game. 100% right OP. Look at No Man's Sky. This game was totally f... up and hated, and there was a genuine reason for that. Hello Games knew that they screw it - completely, utterly. But they didn't gave up, even when people been still shitting on them. And look - one year later, NMS is completely different game. Big updates are coming frequently, latest one even include story mode, NMS is closer than ever to become the game they promised long time ago. EA and BW just choose easiest way - they are not happy ? So let's abandon it. F... the players. Simple as that. Some people got some sense of honour, some just like to show middle finger to their fanbase. I don't care so much, but i feel sorry for a lot of people here who really believe EA and BW will not let them down. People seem shocked by that ultimately? A small indie company with a lot of money can support their game while a company with corporate masters are told what to do. In all honesty...I lay the blame to everyone on this debacle. I lay the blame on EA for acting like a business first (which is expected) in the face of going for dollars. I lay the blame on BioWare for fucking up royally with a new studio (which is expected) on the management department that likely contributed to a bad dev cycle, and I lay blame to most of the gaming community for acting entitled (which is expected) to the whole ordeal, not only in terms of the witch hunt that started against BioWare because of socio-political reasons, but the current state of the game being left in the cold. This is why getting too invested in fandoms is kind of silly to me. Frankly, everyone involved, from the corporate to the fans side, acted as they normally do, only pumped to 11 this time around because people are looking at angles to screw with folks. BioWare screwing up the most on their end with what turned out to be a dud compared to the rest of the work only exacerbated things further. Not the end of the world at all, and folks saying the sky is falling is a feeling of schadenfreude to me. So let it go, let's move on to Anthem and see what they do next.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 21, 2017 16:34:43 GMT
People need to stop acting like the fan base should not be held accountable for their behavior
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 16:38:41 GMT
People need to stop acting like the fan base should not be held accountable for their behavior Each and everyone of us is accountable to him/herself for what we think, say or do. That goes without saying. And it never stopped being true that treating others as you wish to be treated oneself is a good easy check.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 21, 2017 17:06:02 GMT
People need to stop acting like the fan base should not be held accountable for their behavior You need to stop acting like you can blame consumers for a product being of poor quality.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 17:08:42 GMT
People need to stop acting like the fan base should not be held accountable for their behavior For what? The only thing that was an absolute no go was threatening and stalking developers. Everything else is fair game. Don't like it, tough.
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Post by alihou on Aug 21, 2017 17:58:43 GMT
People need to stop acting like the fan base should not be held accountable for their behavior Bioware hasn't given any reason why the fan reaction should be different. They literally quit on the game! 5 months after it was released. They're treating their consumers like utter shit, why should anyone not be salty? Upon release game was crap and nothing has changed aside from minor patches. Guess what would've happened if Bioware had a substantial patch or update? Every gaming site would be covering it and it'd be a much more positive reaction. Bioware did nothing but the bare minimum for this game and then they flipped the bird to their consumers while promoting microtransactions and multiplayer. Laughable...
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 18:21:12 GMT
Where I diverge on this train of though is what I witnessed on the 'net. There was a cabal of people spread around that were determined to hate the game from day 1. People who never bought the game let played it pissed and shat all over it with shitty memes for what exactly? My assumption would be for their own 15 minutes of e-fame and to bolster themselves. They may have played the bugged demo. 10 hours of utter disaster are more than enough to teach a lesson. And again, the ball is in EAs field, since they were the ones pushing Origin Access with that peculiar strategy. Also, mindless hate is one of the hallmarks of every Bioware game since DA2. It didn't hurt the previous titles, so why should this one be the one out? They created a bland soup of a title, but I don't think that even that was enough to break it's neck. People still bought it. Wether it was a real financial success, given all the resources that went into development, is not for us to know. But it hasn't been a trainwreck either. It seems that the business decisions at the foundations of abandoning SP run deeper than sales numbers alone. And they certainly run deeper than simple hatred.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 18:22:02 GMT
Making lots of money is a flop? Maybe in world of fantasy. In world of dollars and cents it was deeply flawed but profitable and in most cases would warrant an eventual sequel. I'm to the point now I hope the franchise is dead to I can watch the neckbeards cry over that when they thought they would get the game their dumb slowflake butts originally wanted. ME1, ME2, ME3, DAO, DA2, and DAI also made lots of money and all of them recieved MULTIPLE SP DLC updates. So whats MEA's excuse? Apparently the fans according to some...
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Post by armass81 on Aug 21, 2017 19:18:48 GMT
There was a bit exaggeration in the reaction.
I also blame the todays "everything that gets below 8/10 is automatically shit" sentiments in gaming...
When the hell did this arbitrarily bar even raise up. Now its like games have only 3 categories, "excellent", "good" and shit. Theres more layers than that!
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 19:21:19 GMT
When the hell did this arbitrarily bar even raise up. The moment the game magazines started to suck the privates of every so called AAA title as if it was a reflex. People are so used to high scores that medium scores appear to be bad.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 21, 2017 19:26:12 GMT
People need to stop acting like the fan base should not be held accountable for their behavior You need to stop acting like you can blame consumers for a product being of poor quality. Quoted for truth. Had BioWare released one amazing game, none of this would have happened.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 21, 2017 20:42:42 GMT
People need to stop acting like the fan base should not be held accountable for their behavior You need to stop acting like you can blame consumers for a product being of poor quality. Not everyone thinks MEA is poor quality. Stop confusing your opinion, your subjective agenda filled opinion as fact.
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Post by glockwheeler on Aug 21, 2017 21:09:07 GMT
Unfortunately, it appears as though EA has more or less destroyed a once promising franchise. MEA has achieved it's current level of success based strictly on ii's own merit. I think the game would have been more successful had it not been a ME title at all. I had really hoped that this game would be much better than what was released, but that obviously did not happen, for whatever reason. Personally, I am hoping that Casey Hudson has returned to try and salvage this franchise. I truly wish things would have turned out different, but it is what it is.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 21:11:06 GMT
Personally, I am hoping that Casey Hudson has returned to try and salvage this franchise. I truly wish things would have turned out different, but it is what it is. They offered him the position, is all. He didn't ride in on a white steed to save the day. That's not how it works with business decisions.
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Post by glockwheeler on Aug 21, 2017 21:18:43 GMT
Personally, I am hoping that Casey Hudson has returned to try and salvage this franchise. I truly wish things would have turned out different, but it is what it is. They offered him the position, is all. He didn't ride in on a white steed to save the day. That's not how it works with business decisions. Perhaps, but I would not be surprised if Casey had even some small interest in preserving a title he worked on for as long as he did. As it is, the results are what they are.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 21, 2017 21:51:39 GMT
You need to stop acting like you can blame consumers for a product being of poor quality. Not everyone thinks MEA is poor quality. Stop confusing your opinion, your subjective agenda filled opinion as fact. Your appreciation of MEA's quality is subjective, the quality itself is not. If you compare ME:A to contemporary titles, or even its predecessors in the MET, it falls short more often than not. They offered him the position, is all. He didn't ride in on a white steed to save the day. That's not how it works with business decisions. Perhaps, but I would not be surprised if Casey had even some small interest in preserving a title he worked on for as long as he did. As it is, the results are what they are. Casey is close friends with Mac Walters, so no doubt he has heard of the disastrous development of the game. That's not to say that is why he chose to come back, but it's not unreasonable to guess it may have affected his decision.
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Post by JulianVerse on Aug 21, 2017 22:10:29 GMT
Nah, there's definitely plenty of blame to go around, fans included.
If everyone from the MRA-est MRA to the SJW-est SJW is gonna pitch hissy fits and throw internet tantrums, do you really not expect someone in the development chain to be like "whelp, fuck it, they hate it, so might as well move on."
Like come on, people.
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Post by abaris on Aug 21, 2017 22:16:36 GMT
Casey is close friends with Mac Walters, so no doubt he has heard of the disastrous development of the game. That's not to say that is why he chose to come back, but it's not unreasonable to guess it may have affected his decision. Do you choose to have a certain job or isn't it rather you being offered a position after having an interview? I mean, obviously the interview part won't have happened with Hudson, but they offered him a position. It's not as if he brushed them all aside and simply assumed the position to save the day.
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Post by ozzie on Aug 21, 2017 22:16:52 GMT
Nah, there's definitely plenty of blame to go around, fans included. If everyone from the MRA-est MRA to the SJW-est SJW is gonna pitch hissy fits and throw internet tantrums, do you really not expect someone in the development chain to be like "whelp, fuck it, they hate it, so might as well move on." Like come on, people. That's not how large companies like EA operate, they ain't sitting round watching you tube videos or lurking in fan forums to inform their strategies. They simply pull up the metadata from Origin. I probably contributed to ME:A never getting DLC or a sequel, but not with any of my posts, it would have been by not completing the game and uninstalling months ago.
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Post by JulianVerse on Aug 21, 2017 22:29:46 GMT
Nah, there's definitely plenty of blame to go around, fans included. If everyone from the MRA-est MRA to the SJW-est SJW is gonna pitch hissy fits and throw internet tantrums, do you really not expect someone in the development chain to be like "whelp, fuck it, they hate it, so might as well move on." Like come on, people. That's not how large companies like EA operate, they ain't sitting round watching you tube videos or lurking in fan forums to inform their strategies. They simply pull up the metadata from Origin. I probably contributed to ME:A never getting DLC or a sequel, but not with any of my posts, it would have been by not completing the game and uninstalling months ago. The higher ups might not sit around on internet forums, but people lower in the food chain do, and the higher ups are definitely tuned into the overall perception of products. If people do nothing but whine and bitch, the execs know this and it factors in to whether or not the product gets pulled. Businesses don't stay in business if they have zero clue. Do you seriously think that they don't know that half of everyone still thinks the game sucks and has vowed to never give bioware money again?
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