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Post by DarkBeaver on Aug 22, 2017 16:40:59 GMT
I think there are two things going on here. 1. After the ending of ME:3, there were people were waiting to pick apart any flaw in MEA, and did so to the extreme. 2. MEA was NOT a great game. It is a good game. It was not an impressive, engaging, polished experience. If they wanted to silence that overly negative minority, they needed to produce something that was hard to find fault with, and they did the opposite. Even open minded fans had expectations of a siny new Jaguar with all the bells and whistles, and we got a used Kia. You can throw blame around, but the bottom line is, if it were an awesome game, it would have overcome any of the haters comments or memes or whatever. The haters would have been pooh-pooh'ed (pew-pew'ed?) by the vast majority.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 22, 2017 16:46:03 GMT
Maybe we should really blame the fans for telling BioWare it's okay, everyone was overreacting to every pre-release footage of the game, the little we got, since they already know they had an average product in their hands.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2017 16:51:17 GMT
Except it is the fans fault. Sure it wasn't perfect at launch it was "ok" then it became great. The issue is fans who didn't get their happy ending were determined to see it fail.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 22, 2017 16:58:57 GMT
Next time BioWare can release a much much better game worthy of the ME name, that will be critically acclaimed once again, and it won't suffer all the backlash they got for an average game.
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Post by geralt on Aug 22, 2017 17:00:07 GMT
Except it is the fans fault. Sure it wasn't perfect at launch it was "ok" then it became great. The issue is fans who didn't get their happy ending were determined to see it fail.  |
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Post by DarkBeaver on Aug 22, 2017 17:00:39 GMT
I think there are two things going on here. 1. After the ending of ME:3, there were people were waiting to pick apart any flaw in MEA, and did so to the extreme. 2. MEA was NOT a great game. It is a good game. It was not an impressive, engaging, polished experience. If they wanted to silence that overly negative minority, they needed to produce something that was hard to find fault with, and they did the opposite. Even open minded fans had expectations of a siny new Jaguar with all the bells and whistles, and we got a used Kia. You can throw blame around, but the bottom line is, if it were an awesome game, it would have overcome any of the haters comments or memes or whatever. The haters would have been pooh-pooh'ed (pew-pew'ed?) by the vast majority. Hmm, given that the ending to ME:3 ignited an unprecedented shitstorm from which the IP may never recover, I wouldn't be so confident in describing those noisy naysayers as being a 'minority'. True enough, but after 5 years and the Citadel dlc, I think most were willing to give MEA a shot. Undoubtedly some were going to hate no matter what, though |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 17:02:56 GMT
Gamer culture is pathetic. There is no "gamer culture".
There are people that happen to like video games, and people who like to lump amorphous blobs of humanity into "identity" groups and then proceed to bash them in the name of their highly questionable ideology.
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Post by MattMan031 on Aug 22, 2017 18:12:16 GMT
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 22, 2017 18:25:33 GMT
I do blame the derpy internet meme loving hate brigade. They have had this franchise in their crosshairs for a very long time. You can see some of them in this very thread posting their idiotic memes. They hate the idea of a space opera RPG franchise existing in the first place. They were determined to hate anything this franchise did back when we were referring to it as ME Next on the old forums before we knew anything about MEA.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2017 18:38:45 GMT
I do blame the derpy internet meme loving hate brigade. They have had this franchise in their crosshairs for a very long time. You can see some of them in this very thread posting their idiotic memes. They hate the idea of a space opera RPG franchise existing in the first place. They were determined to hate anything this franchise did back when we were referring to it as ME Next on the old forums before we knew anything about MEA. That and the youtube videos. So yeah. |
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Post by alihou on Aug 22, 2017 18:42:08 GMT
I do blame the derpy internet meme loving hate brigade. They have had this franchise in their crosshairs for a very long time. You can see some of them in this very thread posting their idiotic memes. They hate the idea of a space opera RPG franchise existing in the first place. They were determined to hate anything this franchise did back when we were referring to it as ME Next on the old forums before we knew anything about MEA. Lol, so if Andromeda had 10/10 scores and the game was great and polished, these same people would come out of the woodwork to trash the game? Don't be silly. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 22, 2017 18:46:17 GMT
I do blame the derpy internet meme loving hate brigade. They have had this franchise in their crosshairs for a very long time. You can see some of them in this very thread posting their idiotic memes. They hate the idea of a space opera RPG franchise existing in the first place. They were determined to hate anything this franchise did back when we were referring to it as ME Next on the old forums before we knew anything about MEA. Lol, so if Andromeda had 10/10 scores and the game was great and polished, these same people would come out of the woodwork to trash the game? Don't be silly. If you had been around in the old forums back when the trilogy was still fresh it was constantly getting trashed by these same people and the trilogy was constantly getting 9s in it's review scores. People really do have something against space operas. I don't get it, it is a great fictional genre. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 18:53:11 GMT
Lol, so if Andromeda had 10/10 scores and the game was great and polished, these same people would come out of the woodwork to trash the game? Don't be silly. If you had been around in the old forums back when the trilogy was still fresh it was constantly getting trashed by these same people and the trilogy was constantly getting 9s in it's review scores. People really do have something against space operas. I don't get it, it is a great fictional genre. I was there, but remember they were a "Vocal Minority" as stated many a times by people then. You can't have this both ways. They were either a vocal minority (which would barely make a dent in sales at best) or the majority found the game lacking in one way or another and it deserved the scores. And before you proceed don't call me a "Hater", I actually liked the game enough to do a complete play through unlike DA:I. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 22, 2017 18:56:52 GMT
If you had been around in the old forums back when the trilogy was still fresh it was constantly getting trashed by these same people and the trilogy was constantly getting 9s in it's review scores. People really do have something against space operas. I don't get it, it is a great fictional genre. I was there, but remember they were a "Vocal Minority" as stated many a times by people then. You can't have this both ways. They were either a vocal minority (which would barely make a dent in sales at best) or the majority found the game lacking in one way or another and it deserved the scores. And before you proceed don't call me a "Hater", I actually liked the game enough to do a complete play through unlike DA:I. This was before youtube clickbait became a thing and social media wasn't as prevelant as it is now. Now haters and meme posters can get on their social media accounts and spread hyperbole and disinformation about a game before it even comes out. Thanks to social media stupidity and ignorance has spread like a cancer. |
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 22, 2017 19:06:07 GMT
I was there, but remember they were a "Vocal Minority" as stated many a times by people then. You can't have this both ways. They were either a vocal minority (which would barely make a dent in sales at best) or the majority found the game lacking in one way or another and it deserved the scores. And before you proceed don't call me a "Hater", I actually liked the game enough to do a complete play through unlike DA:I. This was before youtube clickbait became a thing and social media wasn't as prevelant as it is now. Now haters and meme posters can get on their social media accounts and spread hyperbole and disinformation about a game before it even comes out. Thanks to social media stupidity and ignorance has spread like a cancer. So people can't think for themselves? I'm in agreement with the other guy, it's a minority that'll bitch all they want, but the majority has to get pissed off for a franchise/game to get put out. It's not like bioware hasn't slowly tacked on a bad track record either. There's DA2, the move from RPG focus to "ACTION!", ME3s ending, DA:I giving more ammunition on this "ACTIONS!" Push and now Andromeda launching in an awful state with people also having issues with the meat of the game. Bioware has given this ammunition to the people themselves. I haven't even mentioned Anthem which people now think is holding more value over the mass effect franchise even though it hasn't done anything to prove so yet, it's nothing but a bunch of hot heads reaching in the wrong area. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 22, 2017 19:12:21 GMT
Lol, so if Andromeda had 10/10 scores and the game was great and polished, these same people would come out of the woodwork to trash the game? Don't be silly. If you had been around in the old forums back when the trilogy was still fresh it was constantly getting trashed by these same people and the trilogy was constantly getting 9s in it's review scores. People really do have something against space operas. I don't get it, it is a great fictional genre. People don't have an issues with space operas, they have issues with turning a series that was built on a strong story and characters, to a series that's sole focus is fucking aliens and pushing liberal values, story be damned. They also have issues with overall quality going into the shitter. |
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Post by Qolx on Aug 22, 2017 19:32:30 GMT
Ironically, whining about gamer culture is one of the oldest and most sacred gamer traditions. :dumb:
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 22, 2017 19:39:45 GMT
It may not be soley the fans' fault, but it's hard to deny that the reaction was massively overblown.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 22, 2017 19:40:00 GMT
Ironically, whining about gamer culture is one of the oldest and most sacred gamer traditions. :dumb:  |
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Post by dazzarlok on Aug 22, 2017 20:21:18 GMT
Depends on what you mean with "blame for this mess". Blaming fans for the quality of MEA? Definitely not, that's all on BioWare and many players thinking that it is not good enough for Mass Effect is fine. But if we never get another Mass Effect game, surely some blame has to go to so-called "fans", because death threats after ME3 or in general blind hate after the release of MEA instead of constructive criticism just might not be worth it for a developer to continue the franchise.I hope they can black the unnecessary stuff out and listen to the warranted criticism and return to the series with a bang, but who knows that right now? Maybe if the ongoing support of Anthem goes over to Austin to replace SWTOR at some point, Edmonton can return to make DA and ME games, but if not: where do the resources come from to make a new ME game if a loud web mob lets it sound as if the series isn't well received anymore? I keep seeing people say this, but then Dragon Age 2 immediately comes to mind. That game got a ton of criticism and hate and yet it still got DLC and a sequel. No Man's Sky released in an even worse state than Andromeda and got tons of criticism, hate, and death threats no doubt, and yet they are still supporting their game. Why is MEA different that people think that fan reactions are what determines whether or not a game gets DLC or a sequel. I mean, this is EA. I'd imagine if the game made boatloads of cash, they'd make DLC regardless of what people on the Internet said. |
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Post by abaris on Aug 22, 2017 20:25:29 GMT
I keep seeing people say this, but then Dragon Age 2 immediately comes to mind. That game got a ton of criticism and hate and yet it still got DLC and a sequel. No Man's Sky released in an even worse state than Andromeda and got tons of criticism, hate, and death threats no doubt, and yet they are still supporting their game. Why is MEA different that people think that fan reactions are what determines whether or not a game gets DLC or a sequel. I mean, this is EA. I'd imagine if the game made boatloads of cash, they'd make DLC regardless of what people on the Internet said. Which is often mentioned positively in comparison to MEAs treatment in recent videos. |
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Post by dazzarlok on Aug 22, 2017 20:30:48 GMT
I keep seeing people say this, but then Dragon Age 2 immediately comes to mind. That game got a ton of criticism and hate and yet it still got DLC and a sequel. No Man's Sky released in an even worse state than Andromeda and got tons of criticism, hate, and death threats no doubt, and yet they are still supporting their game. Why is MEA different that people think that fan reactions are what determines whether or not a game gets DLC or a sequel. I mean, this is EA. I'd imagine if the game made boatloads of cash, they'd make DLC regardless of what people on the Internet said. Which is often mentioned positively in comparison to MEAs treatment in recent videos. You mean No Man's Sky is being mentioned positively? Well yeah, that makes sense considering that despite a disastrous launch and all the hate and memes that spawned from said launch, the developers didn't just give up on the game, they continued providing more content and support. Which is more than can be said for MEA right now. |
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Post by abaris on Aug 22, 2017 20:39:48 GMT
You mean No Man's Sky is being mentioned positively? Well yeah, that makes sense considering that despite a disastrous launch and all the hate and memes that spawned from said launch, the developers didn't just give up on the game, they continued providing more content and support. Which is more than can be said for MEA right now. Positive as in the company handling it better than the treatment MEA received. As you just said. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 22, 2017 20:43:25 GMT
If you had been around in the old forums back when the trilogy was still fresh it was constantly getting trashed by these same people and the trilogy was constantly getting 9s in it's review scores. People really do have something against space operas. I don't get it, it is a great fictional genre. People don't have an issues with space operas, they have issues with turning a series that was built on a strong story and characters, to a series that's sole focus is fucking aliens and pushing liberal values, story be damned. They also have issues with overall quality going into the shitter. Oh this should be good |
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 22, 2017 20:44:01 GMT
Without the goodwill that DA2's DLC generated, DAI would have been in a much weaker position. By either luck or good judgment, they pulled off a GOTY. But it was still their first Frostbite outing, and had PS3/XB360 had better recording facilities, there could have been plenty of memes had people been more pissed. They ducked a bullet.  |
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