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Post by sil on Aug 22, 2017 7:55:31 GMT
Very good article but the writer didn't mention one thing that I thought they would have done. Anthem is meant to be the next big thing and is claiming to have 10 years of support and content (probably over multiple games like Destiny), but by throwing out Mass Effect Andromeda (the last game to be released before Anthem) before they release any DLC they are only shooting themselves in the foot. Why would Bioware fans trust that Anthem will get the post-launch support that it is claiming to have when they can't support one of their most successful (both critically and commercially) franchises with a single DLC?
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Post by helios969 on Aug 22, 2017 8:43:52 GMT
All I can say is Anthem better be a near perfect gameplay experience, because EA/Bioware essentially destroyed the little remaining goodwill it had with it's existing fan-base. This is why you don't let bean-counters run your company...because sometimes the bottom-line is not the bottom-line. Anthem will face an uphill battle with even more people ready to pounce and meme the sh*t out of any flaw at release. And no matter what they say about yada-yada...ten years of support, if Anthem has marginal sales and the internet collective shit-posting it to death, the same bean-counters will write it off just as quickly. And the gaming community understands this and therefore will only apprehensively invest themselves into any new Bioware (a wholly-owned subsidiary of EA) game.
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Post by warrior on Aug 22, 2017 9:00:58 GMT
Absolutely spot on. EA seems determined to do their best to offend the people that like their products and sort of trusted them to deliver, just like they (sort of) count on us not to pirate their games. We actually pay real money for them. They seem not to care/have obvious contempt for those of us out here that bought the product expecting what you just listed. I have been into computer/console gaming since the dark ages of 8 bit Nintendo, and I survived the abomination known as 7th Guest. I have rarely if ever seen a situation quite like this, a multi million dollar product abandoned after a handful of months. No more patching and that tease at the game's end - and we get to read about it. Wow, even the worst of jrpg publishers never had the guts to try this tactic, teasing an expansion (they knew we would see it that way!) and then tell us we can read it instead. Oh, and presumably pay for the privilege of that as well. For a video game. I'm really at a loss. You are right! EA mostly has contempt for its customers. They treat us like a nuisance. I have seen very few corps that are that openly hostile to their own customers; United Airlines and Comcast come to mind. Remember EA's Sim City fiasco? They claimed the game needed server-side resources for offline single player. That was a lie yet they thought we were that stupid. EA is the best example of the rot within the video game industry. Also the thing is those corps offer essential services and would have far fewer customers if consumers were given actual choices instead of being held hostage by their monopolizing and industry conditions. Comcast gets customers because they are usually the only decent internet option in a particular area; I would jump ship in a heartbeat for Google Fiber if it came, even pay the contract termination fees just to get away from them. United Airlines gets customers because most of us choose airlines by rates instead of preference; pretty sure I booked a flight with United like two weeks after they dragged that poor guy from his seat because the flight was way cheaper than any others. Like, it's not really by choice that we give them our money. But video games are very different goods/services, and if EA keeps sucking the life out of things, then I'm just going to start ignoring them. (Obviously they'll be fine without me...)
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 22, 2017 9:15:03 GMT
This comment is shortsighted. You are correct MEA is a product. I expect a professional level of service and good quality products when I pay money for any given product or service. My money is good at checkout and does not need patches from my bank or updates from Treasury. EA/BW gets my money nice and clean. I want a good product and good service in return. Andromeda fans did not objectively receive a good product, good service, or even professional courtesy that are common in most other industries. The video game industry is a business that still tries to pass itself off as a "kids's hobby" to deflect the criticism levied against it. Comments like yours help them. Absolutely this ^^. If it was free products being given there'd be few reasons to complain, but when you demand money in return for said product the "it's just a *insert irrelevant excuse*" you're completely open to consumer criticism/slander/backlash/whatever else there is. People pour hundreds if not thousands into gaming, you can bet your ass people will get mad when a product isn't good or isn't as advertised. I've poured thousands into gaming myself. I've got a gaming pc, I've got a PS4, an XB1 and 360 and hundreds of games, I'm going to get mad if something isn't worth what I paid be it a dysfunctional console or a game I pay extra for because *trust* in whatever developmer only to find it bug ridden or just flat out bad. Well, they DID patch the game. DLC is extra content that nobody has spent any money on yet. So they fixed the buggy product they sold as much as possible. THAT is something the customer can demand because they spent money expecting a functional polished product and MEA fell short. Not offering any DLC is disappointing but it's not something anybody is entitled to who bought the main game. Not saying it isn't a slap in the face to those who liked the game and who assumed there would be DLC because that's how it was before. But nobody got shafted here.
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Post by Ogred on Aug 22, 2017 9:34:45 GMT
My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). It's been my experience that people who accuse other people of being "entitled" don't have much to contribute to discussions. It's been my experience that people who whine about video games in a forum don't have much to contribute in the real world. I bet the majority here is over 25 and has never had a job in their entire lifes. I mean, life has to be way too easy for you to have the luxury of being on a forum 24/7 just to complain.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 22, 2017 12:50:33 GMT
Or we're just sitting at the desk of some boring shitty job writing here because there's nothing else to do
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Post by abaris on Aug 22, 2017 13:09:45 GMT
Not offering any DLC is disappointing but it's not something anybody is entitled to who bought the main game. Not saying it isn't a slap in the face to those who liked the game and who assumed there would be DLC because that's how it was before. But nobody got shafted here. But we should be entitled to a complete game. I'm not talking about the Quarians or the Jaardan, I'm talking about benefactor and Garsson. That should have been wrapped up and not being ended with - to be continued, maybe, someday, maybe in comics or MP missions. These are questlines after all, the most intriguing questlines of the whole game, until they throw you off the horse by simply not being resolved.
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Post by Ogred on Aug 22, 2017 13:36:08 GMT
Or we're just sitting at the desk of some boring shitty job writing here because there's nothing else to do Good, but sad, point.
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Post by Laughing_Crow on Aug 22, 2017 13:51:35 GMT
Message received Bioware. Me and my money are going. Well for me, it's not only BioWare but BioWare and ALL of EA; I deleted my EA account yesterday. (I can still re-visit ME 1 and 2) I only wish management had some of the talent and dedication evident in the artwork and production of Andromeda (Inquisition, the ME trilogy). Management mostly produced hype and promises and patches. To me, abandoning Andromeda just suggests that EA has discarded the story driven Single Player game mode and it's the end of an era. I'm sure someone else will pick up the banner and keep it alive, but likely none of the big AAA producers—until it's 'rediscovered' and EA has to copy to compete instead of innovating like BioWare used to do.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 13:56:42 GMT
Or we're just sitting at the desk of some boring shitty job writing here because there's nothing else to do Hey I resemble that remark.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 22, 2017 14:01:00 GMT
Or we're just sitting at the desk of some boring shitty job writing here because there's nothing else to do Hey I resemble that remark. I live this life . . . forgive the bitterness ;0 Some disappointment there to be sure, no kid growing up today really wants to work a boring desk job. I know I didn't but it's okay, just boring. After this whole thing with MEA, I am concerned that we will likely hear in a few years that EA has axed Bioware entirely, and DA4 will never see the light of day. The game is already in pre production, but if this latest shitfest with the teased DLC for MEA is how they do things, they will string us along with 'promises' of DA4, some of the voice actors will 'slip' in studio and tell us what they're doing, some random dev will send us a screen shot of his desk top. And then EA will pull the plug. Oh, and Gaider may return in time to write DA4 the novel. That we can all spend 8 bucks reading. Sure. Can't wait.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 14:07:33 GMT
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Post by Steelcan on Aug 22, 2017 14:24:22 GMT
I can take or leave Mass Effect, but by Andraste's Fiery Britches I can't allow them to take DA away from me. It's my hope that perhaps what went on here is mainly a lack of real vision and focus for most of the game's development. I think DA set a better roadmap so far, especially since it didn't have to deal with a torched setting to move away from. Who would have guessed that after DA2 and ME2 this is where the respective franchises would be
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Post by CHRrOME on Aug 22, 2017 14:25:10 GMT
I may have tried a 2nd playtrhough if there was some DLC. Now I'm sure I'm not gonna touch the SP again, probably not the MP either. It's kind of like when a TV series gets cancelled, you immediately have that feeling of "I watched this whole thing for nothing" . As you said, even No Man's Sky is still trying, and I genuinely thought that game (and company) was done for. The game is obviously considered by someone at the top to be a failure, EA or BW. Otherwise you'd have at least one DLC, which other "successful" franchise doesn't make at least one or two DLCs for the game before wrapping things up? Even Bethesda with FO4 did 2 story DLCs. I say MP has some sort of support until December maybe, and then it's GG. The support is pretty crappy already as it is, so it could end next month and I wouldn't be surprised either.
I wont say this franchise is done, but they are in a worse position than they were after ME3, that's for sure. At this point, not sure who could save this franchise, the Bioware of today is certainly not suited to the task.
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Post by jclosed on Aug 22, 2017 14:30:09 GMT
Not offering any DLC is disappointing but it's not something anybody is entitled to who bought the main game. Not saying it isn't a slap in the face to those who liked the game and who assumed there would be DLC because that's how it was before. But nobody got shafted here. But we should be entitled to a complete game. I'm not talking about the Quarians or the Jaardan, I'm talking about benefactor and Garsson. That should have been wrapped up and not being ended with - to be continued, maybe, someday, maybe in comics or MP missions. These are questlines after all, the most intriguing questlines of the whole game, until they throw you off the horse by simply not being resolved. I completely agree here.
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Post by thedarkprince on Aug 22, 2017 14:33:51 GMT
Message received Bioware. Me and my money are going. Well for me, it's not only BioWare but BioWare and ALL of EA; I deleted my EA account yesterday. (I can still re-visit ME 1 and 2) I only wish management had some of the talent and dedication evident in the artwork and production of Andromeda (Inquisition, the ME trilogy). Management mostly produced hype and promises and patches. To me, abandoning Andromeda just suggests that EA has discarded the story driven Single Player game mode and it's the end of an era. I'm sure someone else will pick up the banner and keep it alive, but likely none of the big AAA producers—until it's 'rediscovered' and EA has to copy to compete instead of innovating like BioWare used to do. Guess we should have seen this coming once they are started adding multiplayer to both Dragon Age and Mass Effect. More and more companies are moving away from story driven games, simply because there is a chance to make more money with online only games, they push tons of microtransactions. Sad times for fans of story driven titles, because this seems to be the future of most AAA games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 14:34:30 GMT
how opinions have changed now bioderp have given their customers the middle finger...
personally if they'd have released a game that worked from the get-go, a game with no game breaking bugs, if they'd have got a writer who doesn't need to write in crayon to write the story, then they could have avoided this.
With Casey returning, there are no guarantees they can recover from the shit storm that is MEA. A broken game at release, with a poor story and uninteresting characters.
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Post by abaris on Aug 22, 2017 14:48:10 GMT
With Casey returning, there are no guarantees they can recover from the shit storm that is MEA. A broken game at release, with a poor story and uninteresting characters. And unfinished, with all the lose quest threads. Which is about the only thing annoying me.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 14:48:33 GMT
I can take or leave Mass Effect, but by Andraste's Fiery Britches I can't allow them to take DA away from me. It's my hope that perhaps what went on here is mainly a lack of real vision and focus for most of the game's development. I think DA set a better roadmap so far, especially since it didn't have to deal with a torched setting to move away from. Who would have guessed that after DA2 and ME2 this is where the respective franchises would be I dunno. I think ME3 and DAI are actually pretty good. It's kind of vindicating though that DA2 still gets some love after all this time.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 22, 2017 15:37:03 GMT
Not offering any DLC is disappointing but it's not something anybody is entitled to who bought the main game. Not saying it isn't a slap in the face to those who liked the game and who assumed there would be DLC because that's how it was before. But nobody got shafted here. But we should be entitled to a complete game. I'm not talking about the Quarians or the Jaardan, I'm talking about benefactor and Garsson. That should have been wrapped up and not being ended with - to be continued, maybe, someday, maybe in comics or MP missions. These are questlines after all, the most intriguing questlines of the whole game, until they throw you off the horse by simply not being resolved. Yes. That was unsatisfying. Though it sounded a lot like the real reason were the reapers. Which would make sense. Not sure if there was ever supposed to be some sort of jaw dropping revelation. The entire game is one long prologue. They clearly planned to make several games set in Andromeda. That they fucked up so royally that EA doesn't want anything to do with this game anymore is unfortunate. But I don't see how a DLC would help all that much. Trespasser gave DAI a better ending but it still ended on a cliffhanger. And all we can do is hope DA4 gets made. ME1 didn't resolve the reaper threat. Again they were planning more games. But if they actually get made, the devs don't know. That is the gamble when you aspire to expand a universe with an overarching theme. Montréal wanted to do much more than they delivered. And now we don't know if there will be a MEA2. But the same goes for Dragon Age. No DLC isn't really the problem imo. MEA not getting a sequel makes the whole affair pointless. But we don't actually know yet if this was the end of Mass Effect. I know this is no comfort. But I'm just trying to say that loose threads is not something new here. MEA's immediate threat is gone. Finding a new home is a success. The game has more closure than DAI to me. We got a super long we-made-it celebration. The benefactor stuff is annoying but not really a big deal to me personally.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 22, 2017 16:37:29 GMT
It's been my experience that people who accuse other people of being "entitled" don't have much to contribute to discussions. It's been my experience that people who whine about video games in a forum don't have much to contribute in the real world. And yet, here you are.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 22, 2017 16:49:29 GMT
I know this is no comfort. But I'm just trying to say that no loose threats is not something new here. MEA's immediate threat is gone. Finding a new home is a success. The game has more closure than DAI to me. We got a super long we-made-it celebration. The benefactor stuff is annoying but not really a big deal to me personally. Agreed. Ryder's done everything she set out to do. More kett are still out there, yep, but that's a problem for another day. The benefactor is a matter of historical interest, sure, but other than that?
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Post by abaris on Aug 22, 2017 17:18:25 GMT
Agreed. Ryder's done everything she set out to do. More kett are still out there, yep, but that's a problem for another day. The benefactor is a matter of historical interest, sure, but other than that? The Garsson murder, which happened after the arrival. Benefactor and Garsson are probably the most intriguing sidequests and don't get resolved. That's a nuisance if left open.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 22, 2017 17:28:47 GMT
Agreed. Ryder's done everything she set out to do. More kett are still out there, yep, but that's a problem for another day. The benefactor is a matter of historical interest, sure, but other than that? The Garsson murder, which happened after the arrival. Benefactor and Garsson are probably the most intriguing sidequests and don't get resolved. That's a nuisance if left open. and don't forget the Quarian ark. I think any further major stories involving the Kett sending more troops into the cluster to find out what the hell happened as well as insight into the species behind the scourge could be tabled until a sequel. I think the benefactor could wait for a sequel as well (and I think he or she could already be a character we've met. no theory beyond that though.)
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Post by abaris on Aug 22, 2017 17:34:41 GMT
and don't forget the Quarian ark. The Quarian Ark didn't bother me half as much. Why? It wasn't a quest but more or less an epilogue. Garsson and the benefactor are quests that leave you on the road to nowhere. They're about the only side quests that aren't fetch and carry and really spin an intriguing tale. Which makes it even more bothersome that there is no resolving them.
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