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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2017 17:37:20 GMT
I thought DA2's intro was actually really good. I know the framed narrative structure of the game isn't for everyone, but I thought the entire prologue, in spite of its weaknesses, was really rather engaging. I guess it helps that I think Varric makes an excellent narrator character. What bothered me about that its default Hawke wearing Champion armor with all powers. Then the player is taken to the character screen to customize Hawke
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 23, 2017 17:45:28 GMT
7 hours barely gets you to eos. I need to slow down. I did a playthrough in less than 7 hours Lol
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 23, 2017 19:31:36 GMT
I thought DA2's intro was actually really good. I know the framed narrative structure of the game isn't for everyone, but I thought the entire prologue, in spite of its weaknesses, was really rather engaging. I guess it helps that I think Varric makes an excellent narrator character. What bothered me about that its default Hawke wearing Champion armor with all powers. Then the player is taken to the character screen to customize Hawke I thought it did a decent job of playing up the exaggeration of his story, but yeah the CC should have been first. I think that any game with a character creator should just get to that first so we can play the game uninterrupted by it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 19:40:07 GMT
7 hours barely gets you to eos. I need to slow down. I did a playthrough in less than 7 hours Considering you can speed run it in about 2.5 hours I'm inclined to believe you. www.speedrun.com/masseffectandromeda
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Post by SilentK on Aug 23, 2017 19:45:05 GMT
Managed 40hrs. Found out I couldn't care less about the characters or story and sold it. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't anything special either. Just bland. Then I tried DA:I (which apparently I should hate if I don't like Andromeda) and it's now my favourite DA game. Very similar in structure (quests and various areas to unlock) but light years apart in terms of story, characters and dialogue. It's like they read about DA:I and tried to copy it but never actually played it. I did the reverse Couldn't finish all the dlc for DA:I and haven't been able to play through the entire game a second time. There were times that I was enjoying myself but it didn't really stick with me. Don't know why. Mass Effect Andromeda was much more to my liking. Oh well, different people like different things, glad that you have plenty of dlc for your favorite. Wish I could have been as lucky.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 23, 2017 19:45:56 GMT
Just to clarify their statement: when they said "early in development" they meant like well before the first gameplay trailer "early", right? Not post-launch early? Cause somehow I find that hard to believe that this was all planned so "early on", because they could have saved a lot of headache (for them and the fanbase)later by just announcing that there won't be any dlc early on in promotion of the game. Not have this ambiguous six months of uncertainty from it's fanbase. Also, it seems rather convenient that they say it now if they were so sure they would have said before hand not after the fact and six months later; which all they were trying to do (from my perspective at least) really was a cash grab instead of being honest with the fanbase.
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Post by abaris on Aug 23, 2017 19:55:13 GMT
Cause somehow I find that hard to believe that this was all planned so "early on", because they could have saved a lot of headache (for them and the fanbase)later by just announcing that there won't be any dlc early on in promotion of the game. Sometimes I wonder what you guys think a company is. Announcing that there would be no DLC would have been the same as game suicide. Sales may have been disappointing anyway, but no way as disappointing as saying, buy that shit, we're leaving several plot threads open and don't plan on supporting it with additional content. Oh, wait, buy the deluxe version. As a thank you we will present you with a sweaty sports outfit with headphones. No way. The only thing surprising me is that they said anything at all instead of sitting it out.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 23, 2017 20:39:11 GMT
Maybe early on meant early in the actual game we got, the one that took 18 months to make. I wonder if they got to the point where they basically panicked and knew they had to hurry and put something together and rush it to market. They jettisoned all hope of DLC at that point when they worked all the partially functioning pieces into the mess we got in March. A fun mess, but ultimately a mess.
They just wanted a product to get out there as quick as possible, and in the state of panic, just didn't think DLC would be a big deal. This would be about the same time they took down the original BW forums, when they knew that this would not turn out well.
Oh, and fwiw, their PR sucks, whether they admit anything or sit it out. The real clincher is the 'you can read about it' after the tease for extra content at the game's end. Coulnd't they have patched that out?
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 24, 2017 10:59:18 GMT
Maybe early on meant early in the actual game we got, the one that took 18 months to make. I wonder if they got to the point where they basically panicked and knew they had to hurry and put something together and rush it to market. They jettisoned all hope of DLC at that point when they worked all the partially functioning pieces into the mess we got in March. A fun mess, but ultimately a mess. They just wanted a product to get out there as quick as possible, and in the state of panic, just didn't think DLC would be a big deal. This would be about the same time they took down the original BW forums, when they knew that this would not turn out well. Oh, and fwiw, their PR sucks, whether they admit anything or sit it out. The real clincher is the 'you can read about it' after the tease for extra content at the game's end. Coulnd't they have patched that out? The guy responsible was replaced mid-way through development. Then they sent in Walters to do the job. We heard the original idea was to have procedural exploration and lotsa planets. So when Walters took over I think this happened: He took stock what could be used. Scratched the procedural stuff. Switched over to a tested and proven way to build in Frostbite DAI style. None of the stuff (like those maps) had been crafted so they had to do it real pronto from there. And then it simply was like "no time for orbital bombardment" and anything that wasn't really needed went overboard. Like DLC. And proper animations. Stuff like that.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 24, 2017 12:21:43 GMT
Managed 40hrs. Found out I couldn't care less about the characters or story and sold it. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't anything special either. Just bland. Then I tried DA:I (which apparently I should hate if I don't like Andromeda) and it's now my favourite DA game. Very similar in structure (quests and various areas to unlock) but light years apart in terms of story, characters and dialogue. It's like they read about DA:I and tried to copy it but never actually played it. I did the reverse Couldn't finish all the dlc for DA:I and haven't been able to play through the entire game a second time. There were times that I was enjoying myself but it didn't really stick with me. Don't know why. Mass Effect Andromeda was much more to my liking. Oh well, different people like different things, glad that you have plenty of dlc for your favorite. Wish I could have been as lucky. You have my sympathies. Genuinely.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2017 16:40:14 GMT
I thought DA2's intro was actually really good. I know the framed narrative structure of the game isn't for everyone, but I thought the entire prologue, in spite of its weaknesses, was really rather engaging. I guess it helps that I think Varric makes an excellent narrator character. What bothered me about that its default Hawke wearing Champion armor with all powers. Then the player is taken to the character screen to customize Hawke Made sense, though, unless Varric's book was illustrated.
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 24, 2017 17:50:25 GMT
while people of all ages can do this and we see this mindset everyday, the millenial generation has grown up with social media integrated into their lives a way gen-x'rs like myself never did and I find more of them are inclined to just watch a youtube vid and act like they have made an informed opinion. Also note I'm talking in broad terms about an overall demographic not people on an individual basis. I've seen this attitude among many millenials. Look at this one. Smug millenial... saw a vid, thinks he can cure everything now. As if it's any different than watching the news and thinking the same thing. Nice try though.
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Post by nastrodamus on Aug 25, 2017 4:41:54 GMT
EA is operating like Marvel is with it's comic division. Shitty state of things but not much you can do. The suits get the Shekels and bounce unscathed while the devs and consumers get the shaft. Those of us that saw the writing on the wall early enough were called salty but yet here we are. The Forbes article nailed pretty much what we has been said the last 4 months. Now if Mass Effect comes back, hopefully Bioware didn't burn too many bridges from all of this. Would be a shame if the next game is really good and no one buys it because of MEA fallout.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 25, 2017 16:24:39 GMT
EA is operating like Marvel is with it's comic division. Shitty state of things but not much you can do. The suits get the Shekels and bounce unscathed while the devs and consumers get the shaft. Those of us that saw the writing on the wall early enough were called salty but yet here we are. The Forbes article nailed pretty much what we has been said the last 4 months. Now if Mass Effect comes back, hopefully Bioware didn't burn too many bridges from all of this. Would be a shame if the next game is really good and no one buys it because of MEA fallout. No wonder the only comic of theirs I read now is Renew Your Vows. The Spider-Man version of MEHEM
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Post by BadgerladDK on Aug 25, 2017 16:56:03 GMT
Well for me, it's not only BioWare but BioWare and ALL of EA; I deleted my EA account yesterday. (I can still re-visit ME 1 and 2) I only wish management had some of the talent and dedication evident in the artwork and production of Andromeda (Inquisition, the ME trilogy). Management mostly produced hype and promises and patches. To me, abandoning Andromeda just suggests that EA has discarded the story driven Single Player game mode and it's the end of an era. I'm sure someone else will pick up the banner and keep it alive, but likely none of the big AAA producers—until it's 'rediscovered' and EA has to copy to compete instead of innovating like BioWare used to do. CD Projekt is working on Cyberpunk 2077 right now and Quantam Dream is working on Detroit: Becomming Human. Those are the titles I'd be paying attention to right now. Dragon Age 4 is happening I guess but I'm not really thinking about it because that game is probably years from even being announced. Detroit looks cool as hell, but so did Heavy Rain and that is *way* up there on the list of hyped games I utterly despise. I really wish David Cage would decide if he wants to make games or movies, because lately he's been kinda half-assing both.
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Post by PillarBiter on Aug 25, 2017 17:16:37 GMT
I feel the Forbes article covers it well. When I first read Bioware's statement my immediate reaction was that it was a huge mistake. True, but thos is obviously EA's doing, not bioware.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Aug 26, 2017 14:20:48 GMT
Companies follow the money. It's nothing personal. Admittedly, some companies try harder to pretend they care about customer satisfaction. But at the end of the day, it's about the money. If they predict DLC to not generate enough profit, they don't make any, unless increasing customer satisfaction is likely to benefit the company in the long run. EA clearly didn't see the benefit OR simply doesn't have the manpower to spare at the moment where MEA is concerned. Yes, it's a shame for those who really liked the game. But it's a simple numbers decision. Even if it looks like a bad idea to damage Bioware's reputation even further, from EA's perspective it's not. I don't like how big companies do business. But well. Incorrect. In the days of internet and how buyers truly have their say nowadays, a company that shows a middlefinger to its most loyal customers will suffer. If the Anthem doesn't succeed BioWare is in real trouble. This is a company who has carefully kept its fame as being the best storyteller in the business. They don't have such a huge multiplayer base, maybe they had in the end of ME3 but change in the player base is still significant. This situation is not ideal for Anthem. There is no a game the multiplayers keep playing from Bioware until Anthem. The Star Wars games will probably eat some of the players away even more. I tried the multiplayer couple of times and it was not as fun and consistent as it was with ME3. I think EA made a mistake to force shutdown the support and the developing to Andromeda. It is just not Andromeda, it carries the name Mass Effect which is one of the most beloved name in gaming. (Even infamous Pewdipie admits its his favorite franchise - yes I will not touch the man but he has enormous impact in this biz.)
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Post by abaris on Aug 26, 2017 14:42:22 GMT
If the Anthem doesn't succeed BioWare is in real trouble. Anthem will have to find a new audience. That's all there is to it. Some Bioware fans may celebrate the arrival of Anthem, but a larger part won't be interested, since it deviates further from the strengths of Bioware. They never were an online company.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 26, 2017 14:55:15 GMT
If the Anthem doesn't succeed BioWare is in real trouble. Anthem will have to find a new audience. That's all there is to it. Some Bioware fans may celebrate the arrival of Anthem, but a larger part won't be interested, since it deviates further from the strengths of Bioware. They never were an online company. It is looking into other audiences. People expecting romance, companions, an in depth story, a customizeae character, etc etc are going to just disappoint themselves with the game cause that's not the vibe it gives nor should it.its something new to bioware and so far gives the impression that it's an attempt to be the first game to capture the destiny/division market for consoles. if the game fails yea odds are bioware is in trouble but if it succeeds I doubt the profit goes to helping mass effect or dragon age and more so towards just strengthening Anthem itself. the game isn't meant for your typical bioware fan to me and it's already showing that to everyone else with the online focus.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 26, 2017 14:58:13 GMT
Companies follow the money. It's nothing personal. Admittedly, some companies try harder to pretend they care about customer satisfaction. But at the end of the day, it's about the money. If they predict DLC to not generate enough profit, they don't make any, unless increasing customer satisfaction is likely to benefit the company in the long run. EA clearly didn't see the benefit OR simply doesn't have the manpower to spare at the moment where MEA is concerned. Yes, it's a shame for those who really liked the game. But it's a simple numbers decision. Even if it looks like a bad idea to damage Bioware's reputation even further, from EA's perspective it's not. I don't like how big companies do business. But well. Incorrect. In the days of internet and how buyers truly have their say nowadays, a company that shows a middlefinger to its most loyal customers will suffer. If the Anthem doesn't succeed BioWare is in real trouble. This is a company who has carefully kept its fame as being the best storyteller in the business. They don't have such a huge multiplayer base, maybe they had in the end of ME3 but change in the player base is still significant. This situation is not ideal for Anthem. There is no a game the multiplayers keep playing from Bioware until Anthem. The Star Wars games will probably eat some of the players away even more. I tried the multiplayer couple of times and it was not as fun and consistent as it was with ME3. I think EA made a mistake to force shutdown the support and the developing to Andromeda. It is just not Andromeda, it carries the name Mass Effect which is one of the most beloved name in gaming. (Even infamous Pewdipie admits its his favorite franchise - yes I will not touch the man but he has enormous impact in this biz.) I dunno. I think the fanbase overestimates how important Bioware is to EA. Mass Effect is a beloved franchise to some gamers and received very positive reviews (the trilogy anyway) and Bioware had an influence on other developers such as CDPR and Bethesda, but I bet the microtransactions of a single FIFA game reaps in more money than all Mass Effect games together. EA makes a shitload of money off their sports games. If Bioware gets shut down as a result of bad marketing this is a loss to the fans but probably not so much a loss for EA. Bioware is one of their smaller devs even if AAA. Maybe I'm being too cynical but I don't think Bioware is all that important to EA financially. EA has killed or ruined many devs and franchises and is still around because they have their cash cows, so they don't seem to have to care all that much about bad press. How big is the loyal RPG fan base anyway? Bethesda hit a goldmine with Skyrim but that's one hell of an exception. RPGs never sell all that much and AAA RPGs are rare because they are expensive and high risk. It's not surprising at all EA is abandoning the nerd fanbase in favor for the casual online MP gamer. So the question to me is: Does EA even want to keep Bioware's already fractured fanbase?
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Post by abaris on Aug 26, 2017 15:02:36 GMT
If Bioware gets shut down as a result of bad marketing this is a loss to the fans but probably not so much a loss for EA. Bioware is one of their smaller devs even if AAA. The label carries value. Even if it's a false flag operation to draw in people that otherwise wouldn't be interested. So I don't think they will get rid of the brand name.
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