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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 2:28:29 GMT
My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). Do you still think so if the game ends with a plot-tease? How would you have felt if DAI never got the Trespasser DLC? Oh man that would've suuuucked.
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Post by warrior on Aug 22, 2017 2:39:19 GMT
My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). Do you still think so if the game ends with a plot-tease? How would you have felt if DAI never got the Trespasser DLC? basically that's a big part of the problem for me with this decision. It was a mediocre game compared to my faves but it was still replayable....until now, because it feels unfinished and several major plot threads built up to NOTHING except more questions. Because they haven't given DLC to resolve cliffhangers and they haven't confirmed a sequel to do so.... just books? Ok no. DLC after a finished game is like a cherry on the sundae, but *needed* after your unfinished game. If you don't have DLC after your unfinished game, confirm a sequel. If you can't, why should I buy your next product? For $60? If this is how EA treats its consumers, and BW treats loyal fans, I'll find it in the bargain bin if reviews are decent.
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 22, 2017 2:45:16 GMT
My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). Do you still think so if the game ends with a plot-tease? How would you have felt if DAI never got the Trespasser DLC? I personally would of felt better if it would of ended at the tease instead of being released in a DLC since Trespasser is more of the truer ending of DAI. It's actually like being forced to buy the last chapters of a book to get the Real ending.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 22, 2017 3:04:28 GMT
This comment is shortsighted. You are correct MEA is a product. I expect a professional level of service and good quality products when I pay money for any given product or service. My money is good at checkout and does not need patches from my bank or updates from Treasury. EA/BW gets my money nice and clean. I want a good product and good service in return. Andromeda fans did not objectively receive a good product, good service, or even professional courtesy that are common in most other industries. The video game industry is a business that still tries to pass itself off as a "kids's hobby" to deflect the criticism levied against it. Comments like yours help them. Absolutely spot on. EA seems determined to do their best to offend the people that like their products and sort of trusted them to deliver, just like they (sort of) count on us not to pirate their games. We actually pay real money for them. They seem not to care/have obvious contempt for those of us out here that bought the product expecting what you just listed. I have been into computer/console gaming since the dark ages of 8 bit Nintendo, and I survived the abomination known as 7th Guest. I have rarely if ever seen a situation quite like this, a multi million dollar product abandoned after a handful of months. No more patching and that tease at the game's end - and we get to read about it. Wow, even the worst of jrpg publishers never had the guts to try this tactic, teasing an expansion (they knew we would see it that way!) and then tell us we can read it instead. Oh, and presumably pay for the privilege of that as well. For a video game. I'm really at a loss. You are right! EA mostly has contempt for its customers. They treat us like a nuisance. I have seen very few corps that are that openly hostile to their own customers; United Airlines and Comcast come to mind. Remember EA's Sim City fiasco? They claimed the game needed server-side resources for offline single player. That was a lie yet they thought we were that stupid. EA is the best example of the rot within the video game industry.
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Post by derrame on Aug 22, 2017 3:07:25 GMT
me3 ended in disappointment and now mea too, im worried about the next ME game
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Post by warrior on Aug 22, 2017 3:12:57 GMT
Why is this such a big deal? I liked the game, I enjoyed a lot of the characters and moments it had. I wanted more, but not getting it doesn't make me angry nor anything really, I feel nothing. It's just a game ffs not a first necesity product, what are you, a bunch of rich kids or something ? This comment is shortsighted. You are correct MEA is a product. I expect a professional level of service and good quality products when I pay money for any given product or service. My money is good at checkout and does not need patches from my bank or updates from Treasury. EA/BW gets my money nice and clean. I want a good product and good service in return. Andromeda fans did not objectively receive a good product, good service, or even professional courtesy that are common in most other industries. The video game industry is a business that still tries to pass itself off as a "kids's hobby" to deflect the criticism levied against it. Comments like yours help them. Cheers to this comment. I'm not exceptionally upset but I am peeved/frustrated to have received an unfinished product at launch and an unfinished story at the close. Not because I am a "rich kid" but because I am not a "rich kid" and don't have a lot of disposable income to spend on games.
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Post by Guts on Aug 22, 2017 3:14:32 GMT
I feel the Forbes article covers it well. When I first read Bioware's statement my immediate reaction was that it was a huge mistake. My feelings exactly, ME:A has a lot of potential for SP DLC, add to the fact that there were a lot of hints and that a decent number of people liked the game and/or wanted DLC, and this results in LOT of people getting angry/disappointed.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 22, 2017 3:19:44 GMT
My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). Your point is flawed. People are entitled to feel whatever way they want. Their emotions are valid even if we think they are unwarranted. They are not entitled to make demands off those emotions (unless legal reasons exist, etc). Video games may be hobbies to us yet they are hobbies that cost time and money just like kayaking, shooting mah guns at the range, or knitting. The time and money means I'll be personally invested in many ways and that means emotional investment in many cases. EA considers my hobby their business. Multi-billion $$$ business. EA will be angry if I "borrow" their games and "lend" them at the nearest marina. They will come after me and no amount of "it's just a hobby bro!" will save me. Spare me your concern trolling. You don't know me or most of the people here. Video games got me through some rough patches in my life decade ago same as my college studies help me these days. Shiiiiiet, World of Warcraft got me laid, son . Still waiting on intro to business to deliver the goods... waste of fucking credits. :srs:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 3:20:14 GMT
Why is this such a big deal? I liked the game, I enjoyed a lot of the characters and moments it had. I wanted more, but not getting it doesn't make me angry nor anything really, I feel nothing. It's just a game ffs not a first necesity product, what are you, a bunch of rich kids or something ? This comment is shortsighted. You are correct MEA is a product. I expect a professional level of service and good quality products when I pay money for any given product or service. My money is good at checkout and does not need patches from my bank or updates from Treasury. EA/BW gets my money nice and clean. I want a good product and good service in return. Andromeda fans did not objectively receive a good product, good service, or even professional courtesy that are common in most other industries. The video game industry is a business that still tries to pass itself off as a "kids's hobby" to deflect the criticism levied against it. Comments like yours help them.
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Post by Guts on Aug 22, 2017 3:27:03 GMT
Do you still think so if the game ends with a plot-tease? How would you have felt if DAI never got the Trespasser DLC? basically that's a big part of the problem for me with this decision. It was a mediocre game compared to my faves but it was still replayable....until now, because it feels unfinished and several major plot threads built up to NOTHING except more questions. Because they haven't given DLC to resolve cliffhangers and they haven't confirmed a sequel to do so.... just books? Ok no. DLC after a finished game is like a cherry on the sundae, but *needed* after your unfinished game. If you don't have DLC after your unfinished game, confirm a sequel. If you can't, why should I buy your next product? For $60? If this is how EA treats its consumers, and BW treats loyal fans, I'll find it in the bargain bin if reviews are decent. I might've heard somewhere that EA was willing to give 5 more months of development, is this true? If it is then riddle me this.... WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO NOT DELAY THE GAME BY 5 MORE MONTHS?! IF MAC WALTERS GAVE THE GAME DIRECTION, THEN 5 MORE MONTHS WOULD'VE RESULTED IN A MUCH BETTER FINAL RESULT! Ffs.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 22, 2017 3:43:23 GMT
Let's look at EA's and Bioware's record here over the last six years or so. I'm not talking about DA:I as i've only recently begun my very first playthrough. but look at the situations with the games i will mention.
SWTOR: it was supposed to be the WoW killer. after 2 million subs at a very buggy queue riddled launch and a variety pve and pvp balance issues, etc. numbers plunged down to around 500-700k subs. still the 2nd most subbed mmo by a huge margin at that time in spite of all the flaws, dev hubris, and so on. It wasn't even out a year, EA decided to go free-to-play. I don't have an hour to talk about the journey of that title, but i can say it's often so messed up people still get into heated arguments over what went *more* wrong.
ME:3: they actually thought that halfassed original ending was a good way to wrap it up. overall that game was EAWare's last shining moment, save for the aforementioned original dogshit ending.
ME:A: we all know this story. they launched junk. Justifiable backlash mingled with maladjusted social cripples losing their shit and even after the game, according to them was very profitable, they not only, just now say there will be no dlc, we can't even be sure they planned any now to begin with.
Anthem: Who knows what will happen if this game doesn't make 100 trillion dollars and score a 17/10 with all critics? How buggy will it be? I don't know if I want to even give it a chance now because if I like it, EA may bury it if the game doesn't get 5 billion subs or something. If it wasn't for DA4 on the books i'd be anticipating the bioware brand being shattered into a thousand pieces and completely disbanded.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 22, 2017 4:04:00 GMT
Youre right, of course... i wasnt thinking in that part... the first Destiny is still regarded as a dissapointment tough, at least as a game. Its another case of hype and company name selling the game and the final product turning out hollow. Im just a little bitter at these guys. Anthem clearly gained the attention and treatment this game was supposed to be having. There was a story of shifting recources from Andromeda to Anthem as i recall from the kotaku article. So it did seem to affect this game somewhat, and these sentiments me and some fans are having arent entirely unwarranted. Theres a quote from Kotaku that echoes my toughts quite well on this situation: " Mass Effect: Andromeda aside, many players simply prefer contained, single player games with a deep focus on characters and story. Not only are Bioware well known for this style of game, they're also one of the few studios who actually develop them — while Destiny-esque shooters aren't exactly rare in the AAA market. So if Bioware stops making their classic narrative-driven style of game, what's left?" Indeed. Im not intrested in Dragon age and certainly not for any games like Anthem. So, what's left? My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). It's been my experience that people who accuse other people of being "entitled" don't have much to contribute to discussions.
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Post by duckley on Aug 22, 2017 4:51:03 GMT
I agree that this was a very poor and shortsighted decision regardless of whether it was Bioware or EA. I will continue to purchase DA games but will not invest any more into any other Bioware product in the foreseeable future. Anthem doesn't interest me as I am an SP only player.
An opportunity to support their fans as well as potentially get some new fans was lost. Who would purchase MEA now? The story is incomplete, there will be no DLC to tie up loose ends, and the next game, if there is one, will be at least 5 years away... they cannot sell a collectors edition obviously, so any chance od making further profit is lost. That says to me thar MEA2 is pretty much dead IMO.
I wish they would explain why they are doing this. At least I could potentially respect a decision if I knew why it was being made. Tell me it's because it got poor reviews, tell me it's because you don't have the resources at present, tell me it's because it didn't earn enough to justify a dlc. But to sell me an incomplete story, have me invest my time and energy into playing a game I truly enjoyed and then 5 months later just say ooopppossss never mind ... that is disrespectful and unworthy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 22, 2017 4:53:16 GMT
Message received Bioware. Me and my money are going.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 22, 2017 5:50:51 GMT
Well, to play devil's advocate for a moment. It could have been the other way around. No one knows what data EA was looking at. I'm sure they can see the last time people played the game. If a large number of people haven't played the game since April, May, and haven't even bothered to come back to see the game post patches, you would have to assume that these people won't buy DLC, and have moved on from the game anyway. Which would be the fans telling EA/Bioware F U. Look at the poll on this site about would you buy another ME game, and how many people said yeah they would pre-order. Those are the people that would be buying the DLC. Anyone who gave up on the game already won't be pacified by something they have no intention of buying anyway. The mistake was releasing the game in the state it was in. I don't need to read any further into this thread than this post on page one. The above post reflects reality. Some of us enjoyed MEA and would've bought DLC. EA would be happy to sell DLC, if their information indicated that it would turn a profit. BioWare Montreal horrendously mismanaged the development of this game, if reports are to be believed. (I do believe them, as they seem to match what we've observed over the last couple of years.) MEA clearly didn't make as much money as they'd have preferred, and/or they feel that DLC would not sell well. EA has access to real data; not just the anecdotal evidence that we biased BSNers have. I'd love to have DLC for MEA. It was pretty clear fro early on, though, that it was not going to happen.
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Post by ATR16 on Aug 22, 2017 6:00:59 GMT
Well, to play devil's advocate for a moment. It could have been the other way around. No one knows what data EA was looking at. I'm sure they can see the last time people played the game. If a large number of people haven't played the game since April, May, and haven't even bothered to come back to see the game post patches, you would have to assume that these people won't buy DLC, and have moved on from the game anyway. Which would be the fans telling EA/Bioware F U. Look at the poll on this site about would you buy another ME game, and how many people said yeah they would pre-order. Those are the people that would be buying the DLC. Anyone who gave up on the game already won't be pacified by something they have no intention of buying anyway. The mistake was releasing the game in the state it was in. Case in point: I'm a super BioWare fan and Andromeda was the first one that I went all-in on merchandise with (hoodies, the backpack, books, etc). And even so, I haven't felt the slightest inclination to log on and play since I finished the game. I don't say this to gloat– Montreal really did a number on the franchise. With every other ME and DA game, I was already starting subsequent playthroughs before my first finished, and I immediately went to those upon finishing. Same here. First Bioware game since DAO I haven't finished and I have no urge to go back at all. Even with my gripes about DAI, I still wanted to finish it. After 10-12 hours of MEA I just couldn't do it anymore. Never have I been more excited for a game and then so disappointed with the product. I've been a fanboy buying all DLC, falling victim to microtransactions in ME3, buying art books and comics and novels but MEA just killed any desire I had for anything like that. There is a laundry list of reasons why, maybe some of those reasons were addressed, but it doesn't change my opinion or feeling about the game and the franchise overall.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 22, 2017 6:07:22 GMT
My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). Do you still think so if the game ends with a plot-tease? How would you have felt if DAI never got the Trespasser DLC? I would have presumed that this material would be covered in DA4, and I would have been right.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 22, 2017 6:09:44 GMT
My point was that being angry because a game did not get DLC is pretty childish and entitled, especially when you know it's just a hobby, not something really important that will improve your life, like your studies (rich kid). It's been my experience that people who accuse other people of being "entitled" don't have much to contribute to discussions. Makes sense. When someone plays the "entitled" card, it's because he doesn't think that there's any worthwhile discussion to be had.
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Post by ATR16 on Aug 22, 2017 6:09:53 GMT
You mean the same fanbase that didn't buy the game? Ya'll need to get over this. The took five years of troubled development to make and barely made back its investment. EA has no obligation to sink more money into what they believed was a failed studio to generate a sequel to a poorly received game. When the time is right they'll bring Mass Effect back again. Yep, you're quite right from an immediate and direct financial point of view, EA didn't want to invest more money without knowing they will have a good immediate payback.
However I have seen that type of situation before in other businesses. The short term financial interest is not always the best strategy for a long term profitable business.
Pissing off the fans ( customers ) by not providing them with some content( products ) that will keep them loyal on the long term, will probably make a subtancial part of their ME fans ( customers ) turning away from their other franchises ( games ) on the long term....
So maybe on the long terme they will loose more money by not investing now to keep their fan base happy
Sure, but tell a board member at EA who could lose their job after a bad quarter or two if the shareholders aren't happy that "hey, don't do this. It'll affect the next franchise 6 years from now" Gamers have proven to be weak willed and keep coming back to lots of games after getting buttfucked. I have little doubt that after enough time eventually most people will come back for the next one to at least give it a swing, especially if the game is better. The lost hardcores will be replaced in number by new fans and the people that somehow loved Andromeda. A new game and a new direction could bring a lot of lapsed fans back for another try.
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Post by ATR16 on Aug 22, 2017 6:16:59 GMT
No one is saying they have to be a charity. But the one big reason at least one minimal sp dlc was still plausible was that the game was touted in their statement to investors as turning a healthy profit. If it turned such a healthy product why no dlc? It's a kneejerk reaction when there's precedent for less successful games to get some. and do you post as Andryah on the swtor boards by chance? Lots of pompom shaking here... My bet is the game made some profit, but not to the level they were expecting. The other option could be that with all the metrics BioWare uses (sometimes in my opinion over uses) they didn't see a continual population in single player to justify the possible risk of spending a lot of money on making DLC. There could have been a risk that if they made a DLC and it sold extremely poorly it could have pushed Andromeda into a loss financially and they didn't want to risk that happening. BioWare DLC might tend to be a little more on the pricier side of the things to produce as well due to the amount voice acting, but that is only speculation on my part. When you look at less successful games getting DLC also look if they had a season pass option, for then it becomes a bigger issue for if they don't make that DLC they have to refund all that DLC money they have already collected meaning a financial problem for them and in EA's case it could even impact investors if that would happen. Since you didn't name any games that is my first thought on that. The other thing could be even if a game doesn't sell as well, there might be a dedicated population playing the game regularly. Edit: One day I will be able to spell better. Sales could have been fine, but active player base is different. For example making up numbers here, they saw "yay we made a profit on 3 million sales" but then 3 months out they saw the completion percentage was like 15% and the continually active SP base is smaller, then there is a really limited number of potential buyers for DLC. Say DLC costs a million to make, a quarter mil to half mil to market, then all the little costs like paying Xbox and PS4 to be on the store and whatever else. You need to sell a lot of 15-20 dollar DLCs to cover that.
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Post by abedsbrother on Aug 22, 2017 6:20:10 GMT
Do you still think so if the game ends with a plot-tease? How would you have felt if DAI never got the Trespasser DLC? I would have presumed that this material would be covered in DA4, and I would have been right. There would have been no way of knowing you were right until DA4 launched, and the fate of Andromeda's extended story would have indicated other outcomes were possible.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 6:22:27 GMT
Yep, you're quite right from an immediate and direct financial point of view, EA didn't want to invest more money without knowing they will have a good immediate payback.
However I have seen that type of situation before in other businesses. The short term financial interest is not always the best strategy for a long term profitable business.
Pissing off the fans ( customers ) by not providing them with some content( products ) that will keep them loyal on the long term, will probably make a subtancial part of their ME fans ( customers ) turning away from their other franchises ( games ) on the long term....
So maybe on the long terme they will loose more money by not investing now to keep their fan base happy
Sure, but tell a board member at EA who could lose their job after a bad quarter or two if the shareholders aren't happy that "hey, don't do this. It'll affect the next franchise 6 years from now" Gamers have proven to be weak willed and keep coming back to lots of games after getting buttfucked. I have little doubt that after enough time eventually most people will come back for the next one to at least give it a swing, especially if the game is better. The lost hardcores will be replaced in number by new fans and the people that somehow loved Andromeda. A new game and a new direction could bring a lot of lapsed fans back for another try. That doesn't sound terribly sustainable, especially not since stiff competition is out there.
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Post by ATR16 on Aug 22, 2017 6:31:00 GMT
Sure, but tell a board member at EA who could lose their job after a bad quarter or two if the shareholders aren't happy that "hey, don't do this. It'll affect the next franchise 6 years from now" Gamers have proven to be weak willed and keep coming back to lots of games after getting buttfucked. I have little doubt that after enough time eventually most people will come back for the next one to at least give it a swing, especially if the game is better. The lost hardcores will be replaced in number by new fans and the people that somehow loved Andromeda. A new game and a new direction could bring a lot of lapsed fans back for another try. That doesn't sound terribly sustainable, especially not since stiff competition is out there. All the Madden fans came back after 06. NHL fans came back after 16 or whatever. Assassins Creed is still alive and well after some real dog shit like 3 and Unity or whatever the one where people didn't have faces was. Star Wars BF2 is looking like its already going to make its money easily. Battlefield fans came back in droves for Battlefield One after 4 and Hardline (?) was a mess. Call of Duty isn't the juggernaut it used to be, but it still makes crazy ass money after things like Ghosts came out. Resident Evil games still do really well. The list goes on and on. Until more big name franchises die after a bad title there is no reason not to think things would change.
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 22, 2017 6:32:28 GMT
Do you still think so if the game ends with a plot-tease? How would you have felt if DAI never got the Trespasser DLC? I would have presumed that this material would be covered in DA4, and I would have been right. It would of made for a really good lead in story to the game.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Aug 22, 2017 6:40:29 GMT
Message received Bioware. Me and my money are going. Well said.
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