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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 30, 2017 22:03:25 GMT
Eh, he has too checkered of a history for me to be filled with confidence with his return. 5 minutes of an ending makes his history checkered? Doesn't sound like much but it was a fairly formidable fuckup!
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Post by suikoden on Aug 30, 2017 22:08:18 GMT
5 minutes of an ending makes his history checkered? Doesn't sound like much but it was a fairly formidable fuckup! I loved the ending... you see, there's another side to that debacle. It's like Andromeda, there's people that love it, and people that think it's awful. I feel like the indoctrination theory is probably what they were going for, but the suits intervened - can't risk alienating the fanbase and tricking them like that. Describing it as a fuckup isn't exactly the best way to describe it though -I hate Andromeda but I've never called it a fuckup yet.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 30, 2017 22:11:57 GMT
I think If they polished it more, it would've got a higher reception.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 30, 2017 22:20:32 GMT
Doesn't sound like much but it was a fairly formidable fuckup! I loved the ending... you see, there's another side to that debacle. It's like Andromeda, there's people that love it, and people that think it's awful. I feel like the indoctrination theory is probably what they were going for, but the suits intervened - can't risk alienating the fanbase and tricking them like that. Describing it as a fuckup isn't exactly the best way to describe it though -I hate Andromeda but I've never called it a fuckup yet. If we are ever going to be allowed to attribute the words 'fucked' and 'up' to anything to do with videogames, then the ending to Mass Effect 3 has to be a strong contender. And with good reason (they did fuck it up after all)!
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Post by suikoden on Aug 30, 2017 22:22:37 GMT
I loved the ending... you see, there's another side to that debacle. It's like Andromeda, there's people that love it, and people that think it's awful. I feel like the indoctrination theory is probably what they were going for, but the suits intervened - can't risk alienating the fanbase and tricking them like that. Describing it as a fuckup isn't exactly the best way to describe it though -I hate Andromeda but I've never called it a fuckup yet. If we are ever going to be able to attribute the words 'fucked' and 'up' to anything to do with videogames, the ending to Mass Effect 3 has to feature pretty highly. And with good reason (they did fuck it up after all)! Many people feel the same way about Andromeda - I'm just saying, if you can so freely call the ending fucked up, realize that the same applies to Andromeda as a whole.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 30, 2017 22:22:39 GMT
Eh, he has too checkered of a history for me to be filled with confidence with his return. 5 minutes of an ending makes his history checkered? We wouldn't have KOtOr or Mass Effect without him. There were other problems with ME3.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 30, 2017 22:29:02 GMT
If we are ever going to be allowed to attribute the words 'fucked' and 'up' to anything to do with videogames, the ending to Mass Effect 3 has to be a strong contender. And with good reason (they did fuck it up after all)! Many people feel the same way about Andromeda - I'm just saying, if you can so freely call the ending fucked up, realize that the same applies to Andromeda as a whole. It's my view that many people didn't give Andromeda a fair shake simply because of the damage done to the IP by the ending to ME3. But I labor the point.
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Post by river82 on Aug 30, 2017 22:30:20 GMT
I wasn't a fan of the ME3 ending, because "this is going to be the galactic battle to end all galactic battles and ... well that was over quick." However I'm a big fan of Casey returning to the studio. Not quite as excited as Karypshyn returning, but Bioware's lost too much old talent too quickly, and it's nice to see some of the old ones returning.
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Post by abaris on Aug 31, 2017 11:58:01 GMT
There were other problems with ME3. As compared to MEA? One can say, they looked on the problems of ME3 and built on them. Such as uninterruptable cinematics. They also took the worst of DAI and worsened it. Such as largely unreactive open worlds, making them even more unreactive and empty. They also carried fetch quests to a whole new level, spanning over several dull locations. The created a game giving the illusion of providing hundreds of hours of entertainment when in truth it's only a dull repetition of what has been done before. This game would have been better served if it followed the trilogy in providing 30 to 40 hours of original content.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 31, 2017 14:45:36 GMT
Depends on the world, doesn't it? I think Kadara's better than most DAI zones.
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 31, 2017 15:11:35 GMT
Lmfao. You talked about these NPD numbers endlessly and basically said I was lying when I told you the exact same shit you're posting now. You're hilarious. You'll go to any length to defend your narrative and apparently, this includes willfully lying about things you know better. Because you didn't stop using the NPD numbers after we had our discussions, oh no, you still used them like a month ago. I used them in the correct context, not to spout bullshit a la that Reddit thread. Learn the difference. No you didn't, hence we had our discussions.
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Post by abaris on Aug 31, 2017 15:12:54 GMT
Depends on the world, doesn't it? I think Kadara's better than most DAI zones. Not it isn't. Not really. I'm just replaying DAI and Kadara certainly isn't more interesting. Maybe the Hissing wastes come in second, but all the other regions are better.
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Post by traks on Aug 31, 2017 15:17:34 GMT
Depends on the world, doesn't it? I think Kadara's better than most DAI zones. Not it isn't. Not really. I'm just replaying DAI and Kadara certainly isn't more interesting. Maybe the Hissing wastes come in second, but all the other regions are better. To you. To me Kadara is the worst in MEA, but I like all other planets better than any zone in DAI. Different tastes...
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 31, 2017 15:20:02 GMT
That is perhaps advice you should take, since you've derailed yet another thread for a personal vendetta. Can we get back on topic please? I didn't derail this thread. Single most delusional thing I've ever read on any incarnation of BSN*. *ignoring the whole insanity of Indoctrination Theory. Group psychosis at it's best.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 31, 2017 15:20:28 GMT
I enjoyed Kadara. It was a very alien landscape for the most part.
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 31, 2017 15:22:10 GMT
I enjoyed Kadara. It was a very alien landscape for the most part. Those doors in the port though. Pff.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 31, 2017 15:43:35 GMT
I enjoyed Kadara. It was a very alien landscape for the most part. Those doors in the port though. Pff. Those doors might be my most hated thing in any Bioware game ever!
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Post by traks on Aug 31, 2017 15:55:26 GMT
I enjoyed Kadara. It was a very alien landscape for the most part. I don't like the exile angle, didn't like how those were presented, didn't like the tasks given to us (I mean, why should a pathfinder have any interest in the murder case?), didn't like the plot armor of Reyes, think in general the story there is the weakest, couldn't drive as freely with the Nomad as on the other planets, etc. Kadara is the one planet that I like to ignore as much as possible. But to each its own.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 31, 2017 16:03:13 GMT
Not it isn't. Not really. I'm just replaying DAI and Kadara certainly isn't more interesting. Maybe the Hissing wastes come in second, but all the other regions are better. Hissing Wastes is excellent. It has, at least for me, one of the best quests, Tomb of Fairel. Kadara? It was ok.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 31, 2017 16:06:53 GMT
Kadara made me think one thing only
"Damn, didn't Initiative directors made a mentality check or something on people they brought to Andromeda?"
But it's still better than that damn asteroid that is huge and has only TWO QUESTS on the whole asteroid.
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Post by abaris on Aug 31, 2017 16:08:38 GMT
Hissing Wastes is excellent. It has, at least for me, one of the best quests, Tomb of Fairel. Kadara? It was ok. Hissing Wastes have their moments. But there's a lot of legwork involved to get to them. Over lots of empty space.
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Post by ozzie on Aug 31, 2017 16:19:35 GMT
But it's still better than that damn asteroid that is huge and has only TWO QUESTS on the whole asteroid. "For the last time Bob, I don't know where the exiles got the resources from to set up this massive shielded complex here, nor do I have any idea what we are doing with the stuff we are mining... now stop gawping at the kilometre and a half long plot hole floating overhead and get back to work"
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Post by abaris on Aug 31, 2017 16:26:52 GMT
"For the last time Bob, I don't know where the exiles got the resources from to set up this massive shielded complex here, nor do I have any idea what we are doing with the stuff we are mining... now stop gawping at the kilometre and a half long plot hole floating overhead and get back to work" Perhaps the biggest gaping plothole in the whole game. None of the golden worlds panned out. Except for the exiles who are doing quite well on all of them. So what do we need the pathfinder for? To operate the deus ex machina, of course.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 31, 2017 16:35:32 GMT
Hissing Wastes have their moments. But there's a lot of legwork involved to get to them. Over lots of empty space. That's right. My Inquisitor enjoyed running all over the area. It helped build up her/his endurance. She/he enjoys running.
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Post by ozzie on Aug 31, 2017 16:41:42 GMT
"For the last time Bob, I don't know where the exiles got the resources from to set up this massive shielded complex here, nor do I have any idea what we are doing with the stuff we are mining... now stop gawping at the kilometre and a half long plot hole floating overhead and get back to work" Perhaps the biggest gaping plothole in the whole game. None of the golden worlds panned out. Except for the exiles who are doing quite well on all of them. So what do we need the pathfinder for? To operate the deus ex machina, of course. It's because the stuff like that I'm open to any option for continuing the Mass Effect franchise other than MEA:2. If you look at how often they strayed from the source, or had issues with concepts from ME1, stuff they either got just wrong or decided to ret-con when they made ME2&3. To think that you could write a more stable plot building on the foundations of sand that is MEA is madness.
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