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Post by vonuber on Aug 26, 2017 22:12:45 GMT
ME3 had ... much better companions The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really?
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Post by river82 on Aug 26, 2017 22:25:15 GMT
They learned nothing from ME3, not with the campaign, not with the multiplayer. It is like if Bioware outsourced Andromeda to a completely new company, that happened to be terrible at making RPGs. The SP was a step down, the MP was also a step down. And when the boat merely looks like it's not floating well, they flee and move on to something else. I wouldn't have my hopes high for they actually learning anything from previous experiences. Really? They learned NOTHING from ME 3? Not that when writing an ending you better make sure it's logically consistent and does not write you into a corner. Not that some fans really hated the oodles upon oodles of darkness in the game and a lighter tone might do better? Not that the corridor shooters might be antithetical to how Bioware makes games? Not that butchering your dialogue wheel is a bad idea and players want more options and control? Not that you shouldn't fill your game with pointless sidequests which ultimately do not effect the narrative or the world at all except for mathematically? Nope...nothing. Oodles of darkness in a story filled with destruction and your character fighting for your, and the Universe's survival is a stupid criticism. The tone and darkness fit what was going on at the time. You may not LIKE it, but I can't see how this would ever be a valid criticism. A lot of my friends played ME:3 and while many of them had complaints, I've NEVER heard this one before 0.0 Bioware's been linear since NWN with the sole exception of DA:O. They no longer do exploration games well, and you can tell this because the exploration in Andromeda was all manner of shit. ME3 has fewer RPG qualities than ME1 but more than ME2, so I would classify ME2 as more a corridor shooter than the last entry. If people complained after ME2, then they didn't listen for ME3 xD I don't see how the dialogue wheel in ME3 was worse than the dialogue wheel in both ME1 and ME2. There were many complaints when they introduced the dialogue wheel, that the dialogue wheel itself would provide fewer options and less control, but that's not a new criticism specific to ME3. That's been a criticism since the dialogue wheel was introduced. ME:A was filled with pointless sidequests. They didn't listen to you The lack of choice and consequence though was a big problem with ME3, for sure.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Aug 26, 2017 22:30:20 GMT
ME3 had ... much better companions The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really? Liam Kosta.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 26, 2017 23:32:40 GMT
The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really? Liam Kosta. Who's better than both of them.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 26, 2017 23:41:29 GMT
ME3 had ... much better companions The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really? Jersey Shore made me laugh out loud. Bravo! He was a shit character.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 26, 2017 23:47:22 GMT
I don't see what was wrong with either Kosta or Vega. (EDI I get, since we've seen that character way too often.) Can someone give me the Cliffs Notes version of the case against them?
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Post by fiannawolf on Aug 26, 2017 23:55:12 GMT
I hope they learn from their mistakes. This guy is fairly on point. Esp why I didn't feel connected with Ryder. I think they should have kept the paragon/renegade setup. Sidenote: Oh nos, OP has political views in 2nd vid, but you know, freedom of expression and all that.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 26, 2017 23:58:32 GMT
Perhaps, but to learn what exactly? EA seems to have a knack for picking and choosing the lessons it wants to learn.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 27, 2017 0:04:05 GMT
first off Thanks for giving us ANOTHER reason to have the 'opinion' conversation. Secondly is what i find curious about these types of comments is those who make them often don't do an actual rebuttal or bring evidence to the table. Just a sim p le 'you're crazy'. ME3 had a much better story, much better main character, much better companions, much better facial animations, much more diverse aliens and better multiplayer. I could go on but why bother. aside from the facial animations...which is a horse race...and the 'alien cast'...which i don't care about...i'd give the advantage to MEA on the rest.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 27, 2017 0:29:29 GMT
The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really? Liam Kosta. Worst character ever, doesn't help that he says the stupidest things possible in the first 30 minutes of the game.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 27, 2017 0:57:25 GMT
Vega - fanservice VA that no fan actually asked for, playing a character that he is very disimilar to, appearance wise, in real life.
That's where I was turned off.
Then, he is a classic meathead, because all muscle-bound men must be, right?
Too obvious, too forced, cheesy lines and cheesier delivery.
Liam - couldn't tell ya, but from what I've seen and the opinions that resonate with me, he's pretty shitty.
EDI - a much better character than either of them. Despite her oh-so-sexy alloy body, I found her assimilation interesting and her and Joker's relationship interesting in a philosophical way. She was an actual living thing trapped in a sexbot body, that was pretty much a perfect fit because of the (albeit ridiculous) Dr. Eva story.
Blame TIM for the sexbottiness. Dude was a sick fucker.
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Post by Steelcan on Aug 27, 2017 1:08:23 GMT
ME3 had ... much better companions The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really? I'd take Vega and EDI over anyone in Adromeda, and I'm no fan of EDI
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Post by smilesja on Aug 27, 2017 1:11:04 GMT
Worst character ever, doesn't help that he says the stupidest things possible in the first 30 minutes of the game. I've seen way worse characters than Liam.
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Post by river82 on Aug 27, 2017 1:19:20 GMT
The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really? I'd take Vega and EDI over anyone in Adromeda, and I'm no fan of EDI I was a little bummed we never got to see her AI nature discovered and have to deal with a panic on the Citadel because of "a strange unfettered AI" wandering the halls xD
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Post by Qolx on Aug 27, 2017 1:22:33 GMT
Perhaps, but to learn what exactly? EA seems to have a knack for picking and choosing the lessons it wants to learn. Yes. EA mostly learns how to squeeze $ and how to squeeze even more $$$. They rarely learn how to treat the customer respectfully.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Aug 27, 2017 1:24:04 GMT
Worst character ever, doesn't help that he says the stupidest things possible in the first 30 minutes of the game. I've seen way worse characters than Liam. Other than maybe Jacob, who is worse than Liam? OT: Is this site loading insanely slow for anyone else?
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Post by smilesja on Aug 27, 2017 1:25:50 GMT
I've seen way worse characters than Liam. Other than maybe Jacob, who is worse than Liam? OT: Is this site loading insanely slow for anyone else? I didn't like EDI in ME 3 that much and going outside of ME I didn't like Zevran. Liam to me is much more interesting if a character.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 27, 2017 1:32:44 GMT
I've seen way worse characters than Liam. Other than maybe Jacob, who is worse than Liam? OT: Is this site loading insanely slow for anyone else? Liara, EDI, Jack, Ashley kind of.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Aug 27, 2017 1:32:49 GMT
Other than maybe Jacob, who is worse than Liam? OT: Is this site loading insanely slow for anyone else? I didn't like EDI in ME 3 that much and going outside of ME I didn't like Zevran. Liam to me is much more interesting if a character. I liked EDI better as the Normandy AI instead of the giant flesh light. Not sure who Zevran is, since ME is the only Bioware game I play.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Aug 27, 2017 1:36:22 GMT
Other than maybe Jacob, who is worse than Liam? OT: Is this site loading insanely slow for anyone else? Liara, EDI, Jack, Ashley kind of. Liara is an annoying character. I think what makes her so bad is they shove her in your face constantly. ME1 Ashley was good IMO. ME3 Ashley was meh. Liam just rubbed me the wrong way from the get go. Those bad decisions he made on his loyalty mission also bugged the crap out of me.
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Post by river82 on Aug 27, 2017 1:42:12 GMT
I didn't like EDI in ME 3 that much and going outside of ME I didn't like Zevran. Liam to me is much more interesting if a character. I liked EDI better as the Normandy AI instead of the giant flesh light. Not sure who Zevran is, since ME is the only Bioware game I play. He was an elfish assassin heartthrob in DA:O for people interested in pursuing MxM relationships in the game. He’s a pretty meh character IMO, although to be fair there weren’t many great companion characters in DA:O. But if someone were going to pick a character from DA:O as an example of a horrible character, you surely couldn't go pass Wynne. Nobody likes a preachy character who does little else but lecture you.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 27, 2017 1:44:20 GMT
Liara, EDI, Jack, Ashley kind of. Liara is an annoying character. I think what makes her so bad is they shove her in your face constantly. ME1 Ashley was good IMO. ME3 Ashley was meh. Liam just rubbed me the wrong way from the get go. Those bad decisions he made on his loyalty mission also bugged the crap out of me. I know, I'll admit he seems to be a high risk high reward sort of character for the audience...intentionally...and I think he has his issues...he's not one of my favorites...but the thing about Liam is he basically tries to overcompensate for everything and eventually learns that he just has to 'let it go.'
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 27, 2017 1:51:18 GMT
Hanako, I want a hug. Please. You're the best.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 27, 2017 2:02:08 GMT
Are you seriously trying to say that MEA is superior to ME3? yes. I mean when have i not? You are consistent Colfoley. You're level-headed and you always saw the strengths of Andromeda and understood the weaknesses for what they were... a symptom of a troubled development. Goggles, Colfoley is not an apologist either. Colfoley is a writer and a well-versed student. Andromeda worked for him, like it worked for me at 1.05. I was able to see what Colfoley saw (the second sentence in this response) once the PS4 was fixed. I still saw the flaws and my OCD demanded correction which was never going to happen, except polishing. Once the polishing was done, 1.09 for me at least, is GOTY. BioWare is capable of making a great game and yes, it kicked ass with only 20 months of real development. A lot of the lower-level developers inhabit these forums. I seriously doubt their leads do, but one thing I learned from history with BioWare: Every successive title is better than the last on the current canvas. I'm in Colfoley's camp about Andromeda. It deserved better in my NOT SO HUMBLE opinion. Mass Effect trilogy on Unreal was incredible minus a total of 40 minutes worth of "cringe" or incredibly STUPID handling of the end. Andromeda: Frostbite. Montreal played to its strengths: Combat and Progression. Story telling was a result of the compressed schedule putting bits and pieces from all over the place to make a coherent, plausible story. It didn't always work and no one here on these forums has ever debated that. Sorry Goggles. This old Templar sees wisdom in Colfoley's words.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 27, 2017 2:04:27 GMT
ME3 had ... much better companions The Sexbot and Jersey Shore? Really? Leave EDI alone. Way better than SAM. Jersey Shore... lol. Not accurate, but FUNNY. Man, that was a slow one to hit, but when it did... (my sides hurt.)
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