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Post by traks on Aug 30, 2017 10:05:28 GMT
Yes. I was expecting this dlc to address some things they'd done poorly in the base game, as well as add depth to the story. For the record, I don't believe BioWare intended to address the quarian ark in a novel. I believe that they expected dlc to happen but changed their minds. So, yes, I think they are lying that it was never intended. The working title out of Titan Books upcoming release Catalog from last year hints that it was the idea from the start to address the Quarian Ark in a book. We just didn't knew back then: The picture of the catalog can be found here: bsn.boards.net/thread/2894/effect-andromeda-books-comics-uprising?page=8&scrollTo=100186And the text in a post here: bsn.boards.net/post/100229/threadBoth from October 5, before the official announcement (December 6) when the working title "Lost Ark" was replaced with "Mass Effect Annihilation". So just because you are disappointed like many others that there won't be Quarians in the first MEA game, there is no need to accuse anyone as being a liar. To the theme at hand: quality DLC would have been nice, but I can understand the decision (likely by EA) not to produce one in the current state of the franchise. Let them figure out what they want to do with ME in the future, which hopefully leads to a return to more serious sci-fi. Not sure if you could implement such a switch in tone of the storytelling in a DLC, so it might be better to do it in the next game. A goofy/fun DLC to add on a serious game can work (like Citadel proved), but I'm not sure about the other way around. I don't think a DLC would have convinced people that didn't like the game from the contrary and even though a majority seems to have enjoyed the game despite of its flaws, this majority doesn't seem big enough in numbers to let EA believe in a financial DLC success.
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Post by abaris on Aug 30, 2017 10:08:03 GMT
There was nothing to fórgive as far as the launch is concerned. I never criticized them base on the glitches and bugs but on the story and companions. The Quarian Ark also wasn't something I was looking forward to. Now the Garsson murder or the benefactor would have been a different story. That was what I've been waiting for, since, as opposed to the Quarians, both stories are already in the game and unresolved.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Aug 30, 2017 10:20:47 GMT
In one or two DLC's BioWare would have told the stories of Quarian an drell Arks, improved the world and also tell more about the Benefactor and Jien Garson's case. That would have helped the developers to focus on the big deal, Jaardan, in an future installment. That would have been my plan. That would have made the players to come back to Andromeda after the starting mess (including me). But this idea never crossed the Biowares and EA's superiors minds and it makes me deeply sad. I have never been so upset of a game this much, not even after the original ending in ME3, which was also fixed a bit. In finnish we have a saying, throw a towel in a ring (like a boxing ring or arena). That means to give up completely, and it worries me, because this is not the Bioware I used to know.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 30, 2017 11:13:05 GMT
I didn't feel they needed to be forgiven for anything. They worked hard to patch what they could and gave fans a lot of what they asked for. Better CC, in-game CC, #makejaalbi, better facial animations, more respectful trans representation, etc. They did more than a lot of other devs would toward fan requests.
So for me... No? Because they don't need forgiveness. They did their job, I loved the game, end of story. Would have loved DLC, and the lack of it is severely disappointing, but there's nothing to be upset about in the base game for me that requires an "apology" from Bioware.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 30, 2017 12:00:35 GMT
Why? One has nothing to do with the other. Releasing DLC for Andromeda would've meant EA thought it was a game worth supporting. Clearly, that's not the case, at least not anymore.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 30, 2017 12:44:54 GMT
This question just continues the false notion that the bugs and animations were the only major issues with the game. I figure if people liked the game they would love DLC. People who didn't like the game probably wouldn't even buy the DLC, let alone give a pass on their issues with the game. People want to act like nothing was wrong with MEA outside of animations and bugs. That's why they have this false belief that only if MEA launched with good animations, everyone would have feel in love with MEA. People really need to read the reviews and and they will see that there was WAY more going on with MEA than just animations.
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Post by bossattack on Aug 30, 2017 12:49:08 GMT
No, because I don't give a shit about "Quarian Ark" DLC. In fact, I find the entire concept emblematic of the major problems with Andromeda. The game is too backwards looking. However, if you simply mean a "quality piece of DLC content," well then that's a different story. I don't know if I could forgive the base game of Andromeda but a quality piece of DLC would have given me some confidence in the ability and talent of the Montreal studio and hope for the future of the franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 20:49:50 GMT
No, but it would be a step on the right direction.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 30, 2017 20:55:02 GMT
I'm letting it slide anyway because it is just a game.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 30, 2017 20:59:21 GMT
If such DLC had the same goofy tone of the rest of the game, no. It probably did, if it was ever in production, so the easy decision after the disastrous launch would have been to not release it to avoid the negative connotations.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 30, 2017 21:15:34 GMT
You'd have to first agree the launch was botched... Very true.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 30, 2017 21:20:45 GMT
You'd have to first agree the launch was botched... Very true. How would you defend that it wasn't botched?
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 30, 2017 22:34:08 GMT
The animations and other bugs never bugged me in the first place. Most games have issues at launch.
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Post by rxd on Aug 30, 2017 22:35:05 GMT
No, because I paid AAA price for a steaming POS game.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 30, 2017 22:57:13 GMT
Reads thread. Usual suspects actually claim launch wasn't botched.
It gets tiresome... Denial overriding common knowledge just leaves stupidity as the excuse.
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Post by Fly In The Lotion on Aug 31, 2017 1:05:35 GMT
No amount of DLCs could remedy the boring-as-fuck game, the shallow characters and the dumbed-down controls that take away the squadmate power usage, their weapon and armor customization and the PG quality voice acting and conversations in an "18+" rated game.
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Post by abedsbrother on Aug 31, 2017 18:40:23 GMT
No.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Aug 31, 2017 19:50:18 GMT
I really loved the game. I had a few criticisms, but that's true of every single game I've ever played. And I've played a LOT. I completed Andromeda, like I completed the ME trilogy. I LOVED the worlds, loved the concept, loved a lot of the moments in there. I even really enjoyed the new characters. I think the pacing needed work. I would have liked to see a greater variety of enemies (though every ME game has suffered from this to some degree). In the end I had over 100 hours of enjoyment from Andromeda, and that is without even touching the MP. Some of the side missions were really fantastic.
I 100% believe this game was solely destroyed by a vocal section of its "fans". It didn't deserve it, and they've ruined it for everyone. EA yes, were wrong to kill the studio and the dlc, but after what we did to the game, part of me doesn't blame them.
I'm sad about no further dlc, but I think EA didn't botch the launch, people were just crying holy hell about the character creator and animations that never bothered me for a moment. Criticisms went viral and the negativity destroyed the sales. It was a giant fuss over tiny things and it served only to kill a franchise we all profess to love.
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Post by abedsbrother on Aug 31, 2017 19:59:36 GMT
I 100% believe this game was solely destroyed by a vocal section of its "fans". It didn't deserve it, and they've ruined it for everyone. EA yes, were wrong to kill the studio and the dlc, but after what we did to the game, part of me doesn't blame them. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Post by clips7 on Aug 31, 2017 20:52:55 GMT
A high quality AAA game should have never been released in the state it was in and EA needed their a$$es kicked for that...they knew better. If this had been a regular employee (say you or me) that gave the green light on this launch and we was responsible for the backlash afterwards?....EA would have snatched us up by the collar and threw us out of the building.....
Overall game for me was mediorce tho, so eh....DLC would not have been able for me to let it slide....
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Aug 31, 2017 21:06:24 GMT
Thing is, I found far more bugs and glitchy animations and broken quests and crashes and freezes and just frankly weird stuff going wrong in every single Bethesda game I've played. I not too long ago played roughly 4 hours of Fallout 4 with everyone holding and shooting invisible guns! Completely immersion breaking and so shoddy but also quite funny! I had companions randomly die, or glitch through walls/the floor. Quests break forcing me to reload a previous save and lose hours of progress. Oblivion was terrible for it. So was Skyrim. A million times worse than anything in Andromeda, and yet - the fans loved and supported the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games despite the bugs! My point is, Andromeda really was not a bad game, and in no way deserved the harsh criticism it got. Other games regularly release in similar states with regards to bugs and animation issues, and didn't get trashed, the only difference is the vicious fan base Bioware have. I work in video game retail and I have personally heard so many gamers admit they intended to buy it but then didn't touch Andromeda because they heard it was shit. They can tell you all about YouTube videos slating the game, and quote "my face is tired", but 99% of them genuinely never even played it or gave it a chance, purely because of negativity put out by fans, and that IS solely on our heads for choosing to criticise and blame and complain rather than support. There was an awful lot of fantastic game there to enjoy, and many people did, myself included. Sadly the people criticising were the loudest
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Post by thelonelypoet on Aug 31, 2017 21:25:29 GMT
Thing is, I found far more bugs and glitchy animations and broken quests and crashes and freezes and just frankly weird stuff going wrong in every single Bethesda game I've played. I not too long ago played roughly 4 hours of Fallout 4 with everyone holding and shooting invisible guns! Completely immersion breaking and so shoddy but also quite funny! I had companions randomly die, or glitch through walls/the floor. Quests break forcing me to reload a previous save and lose hours of progress. Oblivion was terrible for it. So was Skyrim. A million times worse than anything in Andromeda, and yet - the fans loved and supported the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games despite the bugs! My point is, Andromeda really was not a bad game, and in no way deserved the harsh criticism it got. Other games regularly release in similar states with regards to bugs and animation issues, and didn't get trashed, the only difference is the vicious fan base Bioware have. I work in video game retail and I have personally heard so many gamers admit they intended to buy it but then didn't touch Andromeda because they heard it was shit. They can tell you all about YouTube videos slating the game, and quote "my face is tired", but 99% of them genuinely never even played it or gave it a chance, purely because of negativity put out by fans, and that IS solely on our heads for choosing to criticise and blame and complain rather than support. There was an awful lot of fantastic game there to enjoy, and many people did, myself included. Sadly the people criticising were the loudest Skyrim was million times worse than anything in Andromeda? Oh kay. I played Skyrim years ago and maybe the beautiful environment - which Andromeda lacked (mostly sand, rocks and snow) totally hide the bugs because I encountered none. But shields and swords aside, I for one have been always very reasonal about my feelings toward Andromeda even thought the games releasing state was a bummer - more like a schock. And I've found many reasonable critics, many youtubers too (Boss Attack nick being one of them). I love Mass Effect, and I almost could not complete this said game. There were some very good moments like Reyes Vidal story and Aya's beautiful city, but a fantastic game? Never. In any level. I am sorry. Fans are not to blame here, even the vocal ones. The disappointment was very heavy on my shoulders after 5 year waiting.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Aug 31, 2017 22:10:23 GMT
You honestly think Andromeda lacked beautiful environments? I truly don't see that at all. I think it's beautiful environments were one aspect they really nailed. Skyrim was beautiful and desolate and stunning (completed the original release and the remaster) but the entirety of it was snow, snow and more snow, the lack of variety for me made it the lesser game environment wise to Oblivion. Maybe even Morrowind. Andromeda had lovely varied planets and weather - snowstorms and ice lakes, colourful dense jungle, volcanic rock mountains with sulfurous lakes, the views from Aya etc. Not to mention the stunning starscapes you see while traversing the galaxy map, with planet rings and comet clusters and black holes and moons etc all spectacular. I genuinely loved how Andromeda looked!
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Aug 31, 2017 22:15:15 GMT
I guess it's all relative because I had no bugs in Andromeda in over 100 hours. Granted I reckon I sank over 300 hours in total for 2x Skyrim 100% completions, so more time in game, but the number of glitchy bits was crazy. It's not just me either - trust me - google "Skyrim bugs" and just look how many people had issues, it is well known for being insanely buggy! Same as every Bethesda game!
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Post by kino on Aug 31, 2017 22:18:04 GMT
I didn't have a "botched launch", but I do think BioWare is missing an opportunity by not releasing DLC.
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