Why do people here act like animations....

My impression was that Ryder needed to stop the Archon from taking control of Meridian. I think I assumed that control of Meridian meant control of all of the other vaults, and the work that had been done could be undone.


Do you suppose that's why DA2 is controversial? Hawke really didn't have any singular goal.

That sounds accurate. I always read Meridian as being important, but not urgent. Ryder had quite a few other activities to manage, and could prioritize as desired.



It was certainly one of my biggest issues with it.

I think the central threat in Andromeda was the dwindling resource reserves.  They needed some planetside settlements to bolster their food, water, etc., supplies.  It was a multi-step process including terraforming and other activities to promote viability, political stabilization (Kadara, Eladaan, Voeld), and defending the whole from the Archon/kett.

Well, I didn't really like Harbinger much.  But I think that is was due to the whole 'assuming direct control' over and over again every fight.  If memes and other things were as popular back then, people would have had a field day.

But at least for the game the collectors were built into something.  They destroyed your ship and killed you, and throughout the game you never really just dominated them.  You snuck into the collector base, escaped and ran off just as the collector ship appeared.  The game made it so that you weren't their equal until the end.  You escaped the derelict reaper ship.  

In ME:A from the first scene you just completely dominated the Kett, even though you only had maybe 30K people out of cryo, now ships for the most part, the vehicles you had were unarmed, just made the Kett seem to pitiful.  When I heard that a group of exiles with no backing from anyone, not just carved out a piece of Kadara that they were constantly defending, but ran the Kett off the planet entirely and put their heads up on spikes as trophies I couldn't take the Kett seriously anymore. 

I'd say you dominated and defeated the Collectors at Horizon and again when you escaped their ship trap.

How about when the Archon froze your team in suspended animation?

Discovering their research nodes and conversion of other species?

The Archon's invading the Hyperion, kidnapping your sibling and using SAM to do his will?

I understand most of the kett groups we battled weren't terribly threatening, but there was a lot more going on with them than the small kett outposts we battled.

You couldn't make white people at launch. We established that. And Bioware addressed that in a future patch.

You escaped and ran away, and when their ship arrived instead of fighting it, you fled.  Why, because you couldn't beat them heads up at the point.  Hardly domination.  In ME:A in the prologue scene you stormed a Kett garrison and took the first vault with a scout team.  Destroyed their base on Voeld, stormed their exaltation facility and either destroyed or occupied it while the Angarans save their people.  Exiles completely ran them off a planet, an entire planet.  You took back the Asari Ark, took back the Salarian Ark, the list just goes on and on for the entire game.  Then all of a sudden they take the Nexus.  It just wasn't even believable at that point.

If your lone example of a setback at the hands of the Kett before endgame is being frozen and stuck with a syringe, that says all that needs to be said.  The Collectors blew up your ship and killed you.

Hmmm. My skin is lighter than hers and I'm definitely not white.

speak for yourself. It's a better story than ME:A, NWN 1/2, maybe about the same as KOTR and ME:2. If you don't have your 360 degree cgi and that makes the game feel dated, okay.

The Hyperion arrived a year + late, the other Arks (and pathfinders) not at all.  Meanwhile, the Nexus Uprising and the scourge happened.  Each species had a designated golden world, and you were the first to set foot on yours - Habitat 7.

You did make official first contact between the Ai and angaran government on Aya, and established diplomatic relationships with them - also on Voeld and Havarl.  The angarans on other planets seemed much like the exiles - not really members of angaran society.

Ryder did select spots for outpost placement, and even determined the type of outpost to place on Eos.  Different planets offered different resources - for example, the Ai established ice mining on Voeld to send ice to places with inadequate water.

With all the complaints I read about worlds not being "alive" enough for some people - and the apparent desire to visit places that are already settled and highly developed - I can't imagine that a series of truly pristine worlds void of inhabitants would have been very well received.  Even H-047c had some facilities built there; otherwise there would have been nothing to do but drive around.

But what each of us expects and is willing to accept is an individual thing, as is how far we can stretch our suspension of disbelief.  Shrug.

You're delusional, demeaning, and your hatred is clouding your comprehension.

I always said you couldn't make white people in the trial.  And I'm right.  You could not create characters that were as "white" as the Ryder twins.

Grow up.

The objective was recon, not destruction. I killed a lot of Collectors on that ship and ultimately escaped their trap. Having completed the Normandy upgrades, I probably could have defeated the ship at that time, but that isn't the story BioWare wrote.  The story point was discovering that the collectors were modified protheans, and the pods awaiting victims.

That kett "garrison" you stormed on Habitat 7 looked like a very small research post.  The main Voeld base was taken with the assistance of the angarans.  Exiles did not remove all of the kett from Kadara - there were some pockets remaining.  Most of the kett groups we encounter are nothing more than small scouting parties - and they're everywhere.  They're like cockroaches.  We have no idea how many there are, or where the bulk of them exist, if anywhere.  Even after we defeat the Archon, the Primus is still out there - presumably with troops.  Then there's the rest of the kett command, wherever it exists.

But like I mentioned in other posts, I don't think the Archon/kett were intended to be the primary threat - that was the scourge and environmental damage, imho.  People expect loads of combat, and the kett (along with the remnant and roekkar) were designed to provide it.