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Post by Revan Reborn on Sept 9, 2017 5:14:44 GMT
BioWare's response for Anthem: - Look at the bad press about MT's - we can generate good PR and more players by not being so aggressive.
- Look at the money that's being made in consumable DLC's we can make that too.
Pick one... I think it's safe to say I'd prefer BioWare not to nickel and dime us. Considering ME3 MP and MEA MP (not sure about DAI MP, but probably the same) has loot crates, however, I'm not too optimistic. EA loves MTs, just like Activision. I'm just hoping they won't go overboard and try to keep most of the content available in the main game, rather than having to buy it separately with real money.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 15, 2017 11:14:23 GMT
Destiny 2 feedback seems to be 'better but not great'. "Bungie [], still seems to struggle with straight-up storytelling. Cutscenes are packed with eye-rolling exposition, no-one says anything particularly interesting..."www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-15-destiny-2-reviewA real opportunity for BioWare?
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 15, 2017 15:57:56 GMT
My impression is that D2 is received rather well atm.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Sept 15, 2017 16:03:01 GMT
My impression is that D2 is received rather well atm. Enough so that it's breaking records with PC not even out yet. Not to surprised though since the beta numbers kind of showed D2 might sell even better than the 1st. D2 isn't GOTY for me but it does improve on D1 in a lot of areas and I might finally have my fps shooter to replace 343 halo.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 16, 2017 5:07:46 GMT
My impression is that D2 is received rather well atm. -(_ANTHEM_)-
Looks that way.
From Bungie CEO Pete Parsons:
"We hit some great milestones this week with our community. We are blown away that we’ve had eight days in a row in Destiny 2 where we’ve seen more than one-million concurrent players grace our worlds. It’s equal parts inspiring and humbling, and we’re looking forward to showing everyone what’s coming next!"
D2 PC sales are still to come. I wonder what Bio / EA is thinking regarding its success vis-a-vis Anthem. Is MP the much needed honey that attracts new players?
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 16, 2017 10:43:53 GMT
My impression is that D2 is received rather well atm. -(_ANTHEM_)-
Looks that way.
From Bungie CEO Pete Parsons:
"We hit some great milestones this week with our community. We are blown away that we’ve had eight days in a row in Destiny 2 where we’ve seen more than one-million concurrent players grace our worlds. It’s equal parts inspiring and humbling, and we’re looking forward to showing everyone what’s coming next!"
D2 PC sales are still to come. I wonder what Bio / EA is thinking regarding its success vis-a-vis Anthem. Is MP the much needed honey that attracts new players? MP is kinda the norm, rather than the exception when you look at games in general.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Sept 16, 2017 16:51:01 GMT
Destiny 2 feedback seems to be 'better but not great'. "Bungie [], still seems to struggle with straight-up storytelling. Cutscenes are packed with eye-rolling exposition, no-one says anything particularly interesting..."www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-15-destiny-2-reviewA real opportunity for BioWare? Bungie has never been known for its storytelling. The only game I thought the story was even halfway competent was Halo: Combat Evolved. It doesn't help that the main character is a silent protagonist, causing a lot of situations to look really silly and stupid. Game Informer gave Destiny 2 a 9/10, but they have a lot of Destiny diehards at their office. Even then, they admitted Destiny 2 wasn't as big of an improvement as they had hoped. It's "better" than Destiny 1, but that's not exactly saying much since the first game didn't have a lot going for it outside of its solid gunplay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 17:26:19 GMT
I played this for few hours, then called it quits, we're 50/50 divided on it, but a few of my friends are still playing it.
Aside from really breathtaking vistas, it is so goddamn bland and uninspired, even compared to typical AAA by-the-numbers titles.
And for some reason enemy AI has taken a hit, now they just stand around and kind of barely do anything. Early Halo games were pretty good at this at least.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 16, 2017 17:28:52 GMT
Double standards?
I find the faces fairly plastic in Destiny, even compared to MEA.
(though I admit I'm having more fun with Destiny 1, this week than I thought I would).
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Post by Pearl on Sept 17, 2017 0:04:17 GMT
Double standards? I find the faces fairly plastic in Destiny, even compared to MEA. (though I admit I'm having more fun with Destiny 1, this week than I thought I would). Destiny is not a character-driven RPG. Nobody really gives a fuck about the character's faces in Destiny since they're fairly inconsequential, and are either hidden behind helmets the entire time or only exist to give you quests/sell you stuff.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 17, 2017 8:59:52 GMT
Double standards? I find the faces fairly plastic in Destiny, even compared to MEA. (though I admit I'm having more fun with Destiny 1, this week than I thought I would). Destiny is not a character-driven RPG. Nobody really gives a fuck about the character's faces in Destiny since they're fairly inconsequential, and are either hidden behind helmets the entire time or only exist to give you quests/sell you stuff. Ha, you may be right, though I worked quite hard to pick some decent faces from the limited palate. Interesting that Angry Joe rates D2 a 6/10 and says 'watch out for Anthem' (and other games).
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 17, 2017 11:27:12 GMT
Destiny is not a character-driven RPG. Nobody really gives a fuck about the character's faces in Destiny since they're fairly inconsequential, and are either hidden behind helmets the entire time or only exist to give you quests/sell you stuff. Ha, you may be right, though I worked quite hard to pick some decent faces from the limited palate. Interesting that Angry Joe rates D2 a 6/10 and says 'watch out for Anthem' (and other games). Oh wow - he put out a review! *rushes to watch*
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 17, 2017 16:45:29 GMT
MP is kinda the norm, rather than the exception when you look at games in general. Is it? Let's do a quick head count. Top 20 PC games by unit sales, not necessarily exclusive, and when several games of the same franchise appear in the original list, only the highest selling iteration is included below. Bolded are arguably mainly MP: MinecraftTerraria World of WarcraftDiablo III The Sims StarCraftGary's Mod RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 PlayerUnknown's BattlegroundsHalf-Life 2 Guild WarsMyst Civilization V Riven Populous WarHammer 40K:Dawn of WarWhere in the World is Carmen Sandiego? Cities:Skylines Doom 3 Theme Park Only 6 out of 20, but the 1st and 3rd account for 40 million units, which is more than the last 8 single player games in the list combined. So, kind of a wash?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 17, 2017 16:48:26 GMT
Nobody really gives a fuck about the character's faces in Destiny They have faces??!? I think I've seen more faces on enemies than I have on Guardians.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 17, 2017 18:56:43 GMT
MP is kinda the norm, rather than the exception when you look at games in general. Is it? Let's do a quick head count. Top 20 PC games by unit sales, not necessarily exclusive, and when several games of the same franchise appear in the original list, only the highest selling iteration is included below. Bolded are arguably mainly MP: MinecraftTerraria World of WarcraftDiablo III The Sims StarCraftGary's Mod RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 PlayerUnknown's BattlegroundsHalf-Life 2 Guild WarsMyst Civilization V Riven Populous WarHammer 40K:Dawn of WarWhere in the World is Carmen Sandiego? Cities:Skylines Doom 3 Theme Park Only 6 out of 20, but the 1st and 3rd account for 40 million units, which is more than the last 8 single player games in the list combined. So, kind of a wash? With "in general" I meant all games - not just video games.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 18, 2017 1:02:37 GMT
Is it? Let's do a quick head count. Top 20 PC games by unit sales, not necessarily exclusive, and when several games of the same franchise appear in the original list, only the highest selling iteration is included below. Bolded are arguably mainly MP: MinecraftTerraria World of WarcraftDiablo III The Sims StarCraftGary's Mod RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 PlayerUnknown's BattlegroundsHalf-Life 2 Guild WarsMyst Civilization V Riven Populous WarHammer 40K:Dawn of WarWhere in the World is Carmen Sandiego? Cities:Skylines Doom 3 Theme Park Only 6 out of 20, but the 1st and 3rd account for 40 million units, which is more than the last 8 single player games in the list combined. So, kind of a wash? With "in general" I meant all games - not just video games. That's ... a very interesting point. I mean, it's slap my forehead obvious after you point it out, but still, worth thinking about. If you include board games, sports, skill games, etc., you're right, and thinking about why that is true, and the history of video games, it totally makes sense that there is a trend towards doing more and more MP vid games.
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Post by Pearl on Sept 18, 2017 1:16:40 GMT
Interesting that Angry Joe rates D2 a 6/10 and says 'watch out for Anthem' (and other games). I find it bizarre that he makes a big deal out of how many improvements Bungie has made... and then proceeds to give it the same score he gave the first game, and "only because of how well Nathan Fillion delivered his lines". Despite the fact that he raises some good points about the pacing of the story, the unbearably cringe-y characters, and some of the negative changes to the economy, it really does seem like he's trying to keep up his "angry about video games" shtick. Plus according to his player profile, he didn't even participate in half the activities he complains about. Seems kinda strange, but I guess it's possible he did them on someone else's account.
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 18, 2017 1:58:05 GMT
Interesting that Angry Joe rates D2 a 6/10 and says 'watch out for Anthem' (and other games). I find it bizarre that he makes a big deal out of how many improvements Bungie has made... and then proceeds to give it the same score he gave the first game, and "only because of how well Nathan Fillion delivered his lines". Despite the fact that he raises some good points about the pacing of the story, the unbearably cringe-y characters, and some of the negative changes to the economy, it really does seem like he's trying to keep up his "angry about video games" shtick. Plus according to his player profile, he didn't even participate in half the activities he complains about. Seems kinda strange, but I guess it's possible he did them on someone else's account. Some of the footage seemed to be from a friend. But I think part of his score is the "I expected more from a sequel" factor.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 18, 2017 3:16:01 GMT
MP is kinda the norm, rather than the exception when you look at games in general. Is it? Let's do a quick head count. Top 20 PC games by unit sales, not necessarily exclusive, and when several games of the same franchise appear in the original list, only the highest selling iteration is included below. Bolded are arguably mainly MP: MinecraftTerraria World of WarcraftDiablo III The Sims StarCraftGary's Mod RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 PlayerUnknown's BattlegroundsHalf-Life 2 Guild WarsMyst Civilization V Riven Populous WarHammer 40K:Dawn of WarWhere in the World is Carmen Sandiego? Cities:Skylines Doom 3 Theme Park Only 6 out of 20, but the 1st and 3rd account for 40 million units, which is more than the last 8 single player games in the list combined. So, kind of a wash? I would add Diablo 3 for you can play it alone, but an online connection is required at least for the PC version The other thing is the age of some of those games. A couple of them I remember playing on a PC that was less powerful then my phone and there wasn't an online option for them.
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Post by Pearl on Sept 18, 2017 4:34:04 GMT
Some of the footage seemed to be from a friend. But I think part of his score is the "I expected more from a sequel" factor. If the footage came from a friend, and he didn't actually participate in the activity (can be reasonably inferred from his profile - 252 light is not high enough to be allowed in to end-game activities), then he's basically casting judgments drawn from watching the footage, or worse, regurgitating his friend's complaints and passing them off as his own. I really wish he would clarify this because the uncertainty is weakening his points in my eyes. And if he's taking points off because he "expected more from a sequel", then that's retarded. Full stop. It's a cop-out answer that reeks of not being able to come up with enough criticisms about the game itself to round out his conclusion. See back to my comment about him needing to maintain his image of always being angry.
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 18, 2017 7:29:44 GMT
I find it bizarre that he makes a big deal out of how many improvements Bungie has made... and then proceeds to give it the same score he gave the first game, and "only because of how well Nathan Fillion delivered his lines". Despite the fact that he raises some good points about the pacing of the story, the unbearably cringe-y characters, and some of the negative changes to the economy, it really does seem like he's trying to keep up his "angry about video games" shtick. Plus according to his player profile, he didn't even participate in half the activities he complains about. Seems kinda strange, but I guess it's possible he did them on someone else's account. Some of the footage seemed to be from a friend. But I think part of his score is the "I expected more from a sequel" factor. Personally what I found weird is that he mentions he might even have bumped it down to a 5 if not for things like Nathan Fillion. I mean, he almost rated a game he admitted was better than Destiny 1 as lower than it? I can get being disappointed that a sequel didn't do more, but that just seems suspect. Although when it comes to games like Destiny what's going to matter for longevity is how much staying power the end game has, and how well they can support it with ongoing content and story updates. I think BioWare could gain an advantage here by not doing the season pass bullshit and doing free content patches, especially if they're going to have the micro-transactions I fully expect them to have to help cover the cost of it. It would be a boon to the game to know going on that you aren't going to have to dish out $20 every time they do a DLC to stay current on the story and content. Then in like ~2 years if you want to do a massive content dump release a full blown paid expansion pack on par with what World of Warcraft has.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 19, 2017 0:25:51 GMT
I think BioWare could gain an advantage here by not doing the season pass bullshit and doing free content patches, especially if they're going to have the micro-transactions I fully expect them to have to help cover the cost of it. It would be a boon to the game to know going on that you aren't going to have to dish out $20 every time they do a DLC to stay current on the story and content. Then in like ~2 years if you want to do a massive content dump release a full blown paid expansion pack on par with what World of Warcraft has. This is an interesting idea. It seems the difficulty would be in making your micro-transactions attractive enough for good players that have no problem earning in-game credits to still be potential buyers. Whales gonna be whales, but there were Andromedan whales and they didn't save the ship. They can't depend on whales, and without charging for the smaller DLC bits they have to find ROI somewhere.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 30, 2017 19:28:44 GMT
After seeing the reception to Destiny 2 I can say that this game is not just the last hope of Bioware, but also the last hope for MP-looter-shooter games.
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Post by shinobiwan on Oct 2, 2017 12:56:17 GMT
There's some serious bias in this thread. Destiny 2 is an 85 on metacritic. That's a respectable score and about where some of my favorite games have landed. Fan reception is positive from what I've experienced on forums and discord, aside from people whining about shaders which is a nonissue if you play the game.
As someone who's actually played it, I'm very impressed and have been sinking plenty of time into it, despite that I'm not a core shooter player.
Not sure why people are picking out one-off reviews and random lines out of context to try to paint the game as bad.
Anthem has a steep hill to climb to compete with destiny, and if there's any hint that Anthem will try to milk us for microtransactions the way they did in MEA, I'll happily just stick with Destiny instead.
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