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Post by abaris on Sept 9, 2017 17:59:08 GMT
I think MEA ultimately sank in the toxic bog of social media. And who's fault is that? They exposed the game - before the release date, no less - to the public at large. In all it's unpatched glory. Before game critics even got their review copy. But that aside, it's hands down the weakest game Bioware ever came up with. Not bad, but bland. Enjoyable to run it once, but next to no replay value.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 9, 2017 18:07:04 GMT
There were a vocal amount of people who dislike a lot of aspects of ME3 and consider it a bad RPG. It was just buried under the ending outrage. As there were for ME2 and ME1 and DAO. However those games still reviewed well. And ME3 wasnt Bioware's lowest reviewed game, but MEA is. And like I said before, unique to MEA was that it was supposed to turn the page and show ME in a better light and serve as a soft reboot. Instead, it blew up in EA's face and made things worse. ME3 was reviewed well by critics but shit on by a lot of fans due to the endings. Check out pretty much any cumulative user score - I see a lot of "the endings ruined the entire game for me". Metacritic ME3 5.8 user score, MEA 4.9 user score. I'm not one of them but I remember the outrage and accusations that the critics were bought though people didn't consider the fact that the critics really didn't have emotional investment most fans did. I also remember ME3 getting a price adjustment sooner than MEA, and, despite the fan base outrage, the additional cost of EC, and the slew tented-fingered think-pieces that followed, it still got SP DLC. There was an expectation of SP DLC, despite the warning signs, because of precedent and, obviously, there was hope but I'm not seeing what's wrong with that. There are a handful of very vocal posters here that didn't like the game but the majority here did, based on polling, which is indicative of the BioWare fanbase because why else would you be here. I'm still playing the game 6 months later and enjoying myself. The audience that BioWare failed to capture though was the casual gamer who I'm sure they were counting on towards those 6 million in lifetime sales. Now? We'll see. I don't think they're done with Mass Effect and Andromeda is the most accessible point narratively for another game, if not a direct sequel. Hopefully they have a more focused vision next time as opposed trying to make game mechanic work for three years before abandoning it.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 9, 2017 18:09:46 GMT
I think MEA ultimately sank in the toxic bog of social media. And who's fault is that? They exposed the game - before the release date, no less - to the public at large. In all it's unpatched glory. Before game critics even got their review copy. But that aside, it's hands down the weakest game Bioware ever came up with. Not bad, but bland. Enjoyable to run it once, but next to no replay value. Yeah, it was an EA cash grab...they're not concerned with the legacy of a game as long as it can fill a Q4 revenue gap, which it did. BioWare gets to pick up the pieces, and EA moves on to Maddon 18 and Battlefield DLC.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 18:12:27 GMT
I think MEA ultimately sank in the toxic bog of social media. And who's fault is that? They exposed the game - before the release date, no less - to the public at large. In all it's unpatched glory. Before game critics even got their review copy. But that aside, it's hands down the weakest game Bioware ever came up with. Not bad, but bland. Enjoyable to run it once, but next to no replay value. For you perhaps. Meanwhile I know many people, myself included, who have done several playthroughs.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2017 18:31:37 GMT
I liked MEA, but I know when to call a spade a spade. It wasn't popular, and I doubt it's ever going to get a direct sequel. When the no DLC rumors started spreading, I didn't want to believe it, but, I've always said, where there's smoke, there's fire. I think MEA ultimately sank in the toxic bog of social media. Which sucks.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 9, 2017 18:33:40 GMT
Yeah it feels like they're going backward if they jump 100 years.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 9, 2017 18:53:01 GMT
I think MEA ultimately sank in the toxic bog of social media. And who's fault is that? They exposed the game - before the release date, no less - to the public at large. In all it's unpatched glory. Before game critics even got their review copy. But that aside, it's hands down the weakest game Bioware ever came up with. Not bad, but bland. Enjoyable to run it once, but next to no replay value. already done 3 PTs and plan on doing two more.
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Post by krighaur on Sept 9, 2017 18:59:51 GMT
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Common error from haters : taking a particular case and making a generality of it
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Post by geralt on Sept 9, 2017 19:36:33 GMT
Common error from haters : taking a particular case and making a generality of it Exact same can be said for the defenders. (Or to be more precise, unrelenting & closed-minded defenders.) The mistake some are making on both sides is they automatically allocate them to the very extreme of the "side" they take, when in reality they are far nearer to the middle. Vast majority I've seen post on this thread giving a negative view, have either merely been indifferent to the game, or happy to acknowledge it's below Bioware's usual standard, but can enjoy playing it for the most part anyway.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 9, 2017 20:14:35 GMT
Common error from haters : taking a particular case and making a generality of it Exact same can be said for the defenders. (Or to be more precise, unrelenting & closed-minded defenders.) The mistake some are making on both sides is they automatically allocate them to the very extreme of the "side" they take, when in reality they are far nearer to the middle. Vast majority I've seen post on this thread giving a negative view, have either merely been indifferent to the game, or happy to acknowledge it's below Bioware's usual standard, but can enjoy playing it for the most part anyway. Im sure EA and Bioware had internal numbers that shows them the percentage of repeat playthroughs and can compare to past games. I doubt EA will ever release the stats.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 10, 2017 0:59:35 GMT
And who's fault is that? They exposed the game - before the release date, no less - to the public at large. In all it's unpatched glory. Before game critics even got their review copy. But that aside, it's hands down the weakest game Bioware ever came up with. Not bad, but bland. Enjoyable to run it once, but next to no replay value. Yeah, it was an EA cash grab...they're not concerned with the legacy of a game as long as it can fill a Q4 revenue gap, which it did. BioWare gets to pick up the pieces, and EA moves on to Maddon 18 and Battlefield DLC. I'm not sure "cash grab" is quite the right term for refusing to offer a second extension to a project that had already had a lot of time and a large budget.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Sept 10, 2017 1:23:36 GMT
Dead Space didn't gather half the toxicity MEA had. First, you said BioWare would release DLC because the game was profitable, and now, you say they never intended in the first place, a first in ages, do you even realize how non-sensical you sound? That's I what I thought based on what EA did in the past. As much as you want it to be ME: A isn't as toxic as you think at least compared to the ME3 endings. That's why MEA is no more? And the franchise for the time being? No matter what you think, this game was a failure and the lack of DLC, a first in recent BioWare, shows that. Or what, you think this just happened because they felt like it? Are you this delusional? You think they would cut prolonged support if the game actually met people's and their expectations? Do you even... think?
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 10, 2017 1:28:00 GMT
That's I what I thought based on what EA did in the past. As much as you want it to be ME: A isn't as toxic as you think at least compared to the ME3 endings. That's why MEA is no more? And the franchise for the time being? No matter what you think, this game was a failure and the lack of DLC, a first in recent BioWare, shows that. Or what, you think this just happened because they felt like it? Are you this delusional? You think they would cut prolonged support if the game actually met people's and their expectations? Do you even... think? They do like money despite many of the people working for well...that studio in particular being of a particular brand of erm...politics to say the absolute least, but I assume they do like their content selling and therefore ensuring they get paid. So I can't see them pulling the plug unless if it was a flop that they didn't expect to move any amount of content.
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Post by clips7 on Sept 10, 2017 15:53:04 GMT
And who's fault is that? They exposed the game - before the release date, no less - to the public at large. In all it's unpatched glory. Before game critics even got their review copy. But that aside, it's hands down the weakest game Bioware ever came up with. Not bad, but bland. Enjoyable to run it once, but next to no replay value. already done 3 PTs and plan on doing two more. I feel your pain!... .....no, no j/k... ......i'm on my 2nd playthrough and i thought maybe i was just missing something in my 1st playthrough....turns out i'm still not feeling the story or characters. Some can get enjoyment out of the game (and i have in certain parts of the game) but this will probably be my last playthrough as i have had a much more thrilling experience with ME2 & 3. Some folks enjoy this game and others don't.....
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Post by heathenoxman on Sept 10, 2017 22:24:08 GMT
I think MEA ultimately sank in the toxic bog of social media. And who's fault is that? They exposed the game - before the release date, no less - to the public at large. In all it's unpatched glory. Before game critics even got their review copy. But that aside, it's hands down the weakest game Bioware ever came up with. Not bad, but bland. Enjoyable to run it once, but next to no replay value. Not really "blaming" anyone. I liked the game, but I could easily see why some people had issues with it. My problem is I tend to judge products by their "potential" instead of the actual execution. For example, I loved "Star Trek: Voyager," but most Trekkies hated it. Now, with the VOY novels, my prediction of the show having the ability to tell great stories has come true. Alas, MEA won't have that chance.
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Post by nvanfleet on Sept 11, 2017 17:20:27 GMT
I find myself wondering if it's a question of scale; I've been playing the original ME for the last few days (I only ever played 2 because it came free with my order of DA: Awakening) and I'm realizing that bopping around the Galaxy from the get-go, travelling to different clusters... and there's only ever one or two systems to check in each Cluster.
ME:A is all about a single cluster in a huge Galaxy.
It seems similar to me coming off of DA:O/Awakening and tromping all over Ferelden and going into DA2... with Kirkwall. Smaller scope, less geography... Kirkwall.
ME is meant to be grandiose (or so the OT would seem to define) - small fish in a massive galaxy searching for resolution on Big Issues and you get your smaller personal moments within the confines of the overall story; but ME:A doesn't *really* do that, it's more contained story-wise and is more personal to the specific character, with some sort of slap-dash mentions of bigger things going on elsewhere that just leave you... gazing upwards and wondering what's outside the fishbowl. Breadcrumbs.
In the end my own criticism of ME:A is pretty similar to my criticism of DA:2; the story feels to me more like a stop-gap, a stepping off point... long DLC rather than a proper entry. The difference being that DA:2 was rushed out, and we waited *5 years* for ME:A.
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Post by starch on Sept 11, 2017 20:35:59 GMT
I just hope Andromeda galaxy doesn't return. So much shitty content they would have to really twist the plot to provide something interesting (and completely forget the uninteresting angara and kett). I have to disagree. I enjoy ME:A Save
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 11, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
I just hope Andromeda galaxy doesn't return. So much shitty content they would have to really twist the plot to provide something interesting (and completely forget the uninteresting angara and kett). I have to disagree. I enjoy ME:A SaveSame here.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 11, 2017 20:54:31 GMT
I just hope Andromeda galaxy doesn't return. So much shitty content they would have to really twist the plot to provide something interesting (and completely forget the uninteresting angara and kett). I have to disagree. I enjoy ME:A SaveWell me not liking it and you liking it really doesnt matter in relation to tje greater plan. I am sure that EA someway and somehow has a way to see how many people actually completed the game, how many people completes multiple playthroughs, how often people come back to play, and the total number who still plays now compared to August, compares to July, compared to June etc.... Based on that, EA has a solid understanding of how "popular" and active MEA is.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 11, 2017 21:08:37 GMT
I have to disagree. I enjoy ME:A SaveSame here. Me as well. At this point, "Anthem" and the next Dragon Age are going to occupy the studio for the next 2-3 years at least so they have time to spitball what they want to do with the "Andromeda" sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 22:31:11 GMT
I liked Andromeda overall. It's a shame that support was cut just past its infancy and we'll never get the full story in game. For them to resolve an important plot point in a fuckin' NOVEL is just laughable. However I'd rather they keep in Andromeda for the time being. What needs to change is presentation. Not just our immediate setting but the npcs and main characters alike. They need depth, unique qualities and something about them to make us want to be like them. ME2 had a YUGE cast yet everyone was unique with Jacob being the consensus "plain" guy but even he had an edge and an interesting backstory as a fellow Alliance soldier who's now working for a rogue organization yet still maintains a strong enough moral center to question everything about Cerberus and TIM himself. In MEA we get a socially inept asari, an anti-turian, an old badass krogan, an alien whose people are strongly relevant to much of the plot, a human dork, and a female human LT. Sound familiar?
Next, there's the voice acting and actual actions. Most NPCs are decent enough. But lisping krogan and salarians kill immersion and any attempt to make them seem important or influential. Liam is another who strikes a strong negative chord with me. While his loyalty mission is full of laughs and he has his moments, he's just another example of an immersion breaking joke of a character. Some simpleton that managed to become a cop and a quasi-SWAT that has no grit whatsoever? It's the equivalent of Cedric the Entertainer being a CIA assassin. Doesn't work on any level and the character is DOA. The Archon is constantly spoken upon with fear and hatred yet he does very little. We're given almost no reason to even take the guy seriously because its all tell and no show. He doesn't even make an example out of his Lieutenants to show he's a guy not to take lightly. This was a problem with nearly the entire game. Nothing is taken seriously and its all a joke. It was far too lighthearted with zero consequences. Most of all, the biggest offender was the way the krogan are. Suddenly there are krogan botanists who can't fight? Krogan with lightly toned voices? Short and/or the same height as humans? Why do they all act like every other race when their identity was established in the MET?
Then there's the character appearances. Ignoring the obvious botch with the asari clones I can buy krogan and salarians having similar faces, but not the same ones exactly. I can buy turians being made much sleeker in appearance as it fits their intended design a bit better. What I can't buy is my famale human protag having extremely odd facial dimensions or being made to look unspectacular on purpose. Not only is Sara terribly modeled facially with regard to expressions but also Peebee too. Terrible looking asari with a fat face, its no wonder those Shrek memes were made. Not much tweaking needed. The angara were a nice design, though I'd prefer they had unique faces. Lastly, can we get another species with hair and bipedal legs like humans and asari? Not every species should fit the opposite physical mold.
What I want out of the ME future is a return to the atmosphere of ME2 with bits of ME1 mixed in. The gameplay in MEA was fine though rather than everyone having jetpacks there should be more unique ways of getting around. Lets say Salarians or krogan just jump? The planets should also be far busier with bigger hubs and towns. Kadara had potential but felt extremely small. Veold would have worked with less arctic wasteland. Harvarl could have benefitted greatly with more regions and Aya needed to be as big as ME1 citadel at minimum. The next game needs to take itself seriously again and have more inspired characters design to take advantage of this generation's graphical power. Lets have more facial variety and consistency to the trilogy and less voice actors who sound like Little Nicky. Give us the races that got us to invest into this series and not odd things disguised as asari, turians, salarians, and humans. If krogan can beat the genophage then quarians can outgrow the damn suits, or at the very least, the masks. Finally, make the kett dangerous and multilayered. Andromeda can be great if it utilizes the tools that brought Mass Effect to the dance.
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Post by obatalaryder on Sept 12, 2017 4:27:08 GMT
A sequel is the only logical route.
Scraping a timeline AGAIN is just insanity.
ME:A was clearly created for continuity.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 12, 2017 6:20:43 GMT
Suddenly there are krogan botanists who can't fight? Krogan with lightly toned voices? Short and/or the same height as humans? Why do they all act like every other race when their identity was established in the MET? What next? Krogan spouting poetry? Madness.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 7:07:55 GMT
Suddenly there are krogan botanists who can't fight? Krogan with lightly toned voices? Short and/or the same height as humans? Why do they all act like every other race when their identity was established in the MET? What next? Krogan spouting poetry? Madness. Difference is, Charr was a rarity and still had that krogan grit and slight brutishness AND went to war when the time came in ME3. Vorn is the polar opposite of what it is to be krogan, much like most other other ones in MEA.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 12, 2017 7:14:05 GMT
What next? Krogan spouting poetry? Madness. [snip] Difference is, Charr was a rarity and still had that krogan grit and slight brutishness AND went to war when the time came in ME3. Vorn is the polar opposite of what it is to be krogan, much like most other other ones in MEA. We literally only meet 2 that are like that. I'm not really sure what the problem is though. I'm not a fan of totally monolithic depictions of intelligent species in fiction. It's like humans are the only ones that get to have some sort of monopoly on the broad personality spectrum.
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