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Post by brandoftime on Sept 3, 2017 15:21:20 GMT
I like the overall structure you describe. Having just finished a third play through of DAI, what strikes me is that they leave this character with unfinished business in a way that did not happen with either the Warden or Hawke. Sure, at the end of DA2, Hawke is 'missing' but we all know that Varric knows where they are, and the templar mage thing isn't as personal for them as the Solas thing is for the Inquisitor. And the Warden's story was biased towards the ultimate sacrifice, so I didn't feel as let down not seeing them again, though I understand for people who's character married Alistair, had other ties, might feel differently. I hope BW take this opportunity to continue what they started, making a unique tale of coming back from a true setback in life. The loss of a limb. I think this could be so inspiring. Imagine having to work hard at RP-ing coming back to full fighting form in the beginning, the satisfaction of learning some new prosthetic weapon that actually would make you better than before in combat. Dagna has so many ideas Plus, if the stage of DA4 is large enough, involving many areas of the map, including the seas, dual protagonists could actually complement each other, without necessarily coming into contact until late game anyway. Just my two cents.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 3, 2017 18:11:54 GMT
I'm hoping the Inquisitor will at least cameo as an NPC in DA4. They have your Trespasser decision, your relationship with Solas, and whether you did his personal quest to help shape their actions. It's possible though they could have our Inky tied up dealing with events happening in the south, and can only provide guidance & support from afar. They might be removed from the playing field somehow (even if temporarily), and so on... Regardless though, I think it's worth noting that when making your Trespasser choice (Redeem/Kill), the choice " I'm going to redeem you" brings up the pop-up that says " The Inquisition will try to convince Solas to change his plan.", etc.. With that in mind, I could see if we have companions and/or close associates in DA4 having Inquisition ties (eg. Harding/Dorian/Charter/etc.), this decision could become their agenda in DA4. And they could possibly lean on whatever support the "Shadow Inquisition" could provide as well. This could also lead to some interesting conflicts in the game if your new protag doesn't happen to agree with that agenda. Please no. Bioware has a terrible track record with handling former PCs turned NPCs. They completely ruined my Hawke and Revan, and I do not want to see my favorite Bioware protagonist suffer the same fate. For me, it's just... weird seeing a PC become an NPC. I thought my canon Hawke was represented in DAI okay. Not great, not terrible... but okay. It was more strange being disconnected from the character. For DA4, the Inquisitor is going to be an NPC, so you'll have to brace yourself for that. It's just a question of how they'll be used (or not). We'll just have to wait and see...
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 3, 2017 18:42:38 GMT
I hope BW take this opportunity to continue what they started, making a unique tale of coming back from a true setback in life. The loss of a limb. I think this could be so inspiring. Imagine having to work hard at RP-ing coming back to full fighting form in the beginning, the satisfaction of learning some new prosthetic weapon that actually would make you better than before in combat. Dagna has so many ideas I agree. By the end of Trespasser, my Inquisitor had become the very picture of fury and determination. If anything, I thought her personal journey was just peaking. She had spent a large part of the main quest questioning her new-found identity and powers, then embracing it for the good of Thedas, and now she has shed it. But her strength endures, and I would love to see her as the person she truly is, or can be. For DA4, the Inquisitor is going to be an NPC, so you'll have to brace yourself for that. Oh god, no, please..... Wait, isn't the purpose of dual storylines so that we can play the Inquisitor as protagonist? As others have mentioned, it would be a waste not to use her, someone with a personal history with Fen'Harel.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 3, 2017 18:49:34 GMT
For DA4, the Inquisitor is going to be an NPC, so you'll have to brace yourself for that. Oh god, no, please..... Wait, isn't the purpose of dual storylines so that we can play the Inquisitor as protagonist? As others have mentioned, it would be a waste not to use her, someone with a personal history with Fen'Harel. This thread is really just a thought exercise. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, BW has already said they're going with a new protag with each new game and that one of the goals of Trespasser was to wrap up the Inquisitor's story and conclusively tie-off that protagonist. I'm hoping they'll cameo in DA4, but it'll definitely be as an NPC.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 3, 2017 18:49:50 GMT
Please no. Bioware has a terrible track record with handling former PCs turned NPCs. They completely ruined my Hawke and Revan, and I do not want to see my favorite Bioware protagonist suffer the same fate. For me, it's just... weird seeing a PC become an NPC. I thought my canon Hawke was represented in DAI okay. Not great, not terrible... but okay. It was more strange being disconnected from the character. For DA4, the Inquisitor is going to be an NPC, so you'll have to brace yourself for that. It's just a question of how they'll be used (or not). We'll just have to wait and see... I'm glad your Hawke was okay. My Hawke however was the complete opposite of the thing masquerading as Hawke in DAI. So have they said for certain that the Inquisitor won't be the PC in DA4. I know the whole conference thing from a while ago where Trespasser wrapped up the story(what a laughable notion) but did they say anything more recently than that that leaves no doubt? If so link please.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 3, 2017 18:56:41 GMT
For me, it's just... weird seeing a PC become an NPC. I thought my canon Hawke was represented in DAI okay. Not great, not terrible... but okay. It was more strange being disconnected from the character. For DA4, the Inquisitor is going to be an NPC, so you'll have to brace yourself for that. It's just a question of how they'll be used (or not). We'll just have to wait and see... I'm glad your Hawke was okay. My Hawke however was the complete opposite of the thing masquerading as Hawke in DAI. So have they said for certain that the Inquisitor won't be the PC in DA4. I know the whole conference thing from a while ago where Trespasser wrapped up the story(what a laughable notion) but did they say anything more recently than that that leaves no doubt? If so link please. I know there was an interview from Mike (a few months back) where he briefly touched on this again (new protag each game), there were also these references from BioFan's recent video... i.imgur.com/sUpKwEj.pngBut they've always been on-point with the new-protag-every-game message, going back years now. It's not to say they couldn't change their mind, but there's been no hint of that as yet.
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 3, 2017 18:59:34 GMT
Definitely don't want Dual protagonists. Think the focus should remain on a single new protagonist rather be diluted.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 3, 2017 18:59:55 GMT
I'm glad your Hawke was okay. My Hawke however was the complete opposite of the thing masquerading as Hawke in DAI. So have they said for certain that the Inquisitor won't be the PC in DA4. I know the whole conference thing from a while ago where Trespasser wrapped up the story(what a laughable notion) but did they say anything more recently than that that leaves no doubt? If so link please. I know there was an interview from Mike (a few months back) where he briefly touched on this again (new protag each game), there were these references from BioFan's video... But they've always been on-point with the new-protag-every-game message, going back years now. In that case, they have lost a customer in me. Between them throwing the ME fans under the bus and throwing away all the potential the DA story had and most likely ruining my favorite protagonist just to follow some stupid rule they arbitrarily set for themselves, I don't think I can in good conscience support them anymore.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 3, 2017 19:09:50 GMT
This thread is really just a thought exercise. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, BW has already said they're going with a new protag with each new game and that one of the goals of Trespasser was to wrap up the Inquisitor's story and conclusively tie-off that protagonist. I'm hoping they'll cameo in DA4, but it'll definitely be as an NPC. Of course, Hrungr. I think though, that it's possible to wrap up the role of Inquisitor without retiring our character. The Inquisition, after all, will either be disbanded or a token "peacekeeping force" in DA4, and our character will no longer be the Inquisitor. I didn't read it as meaning that our character will be wrapped up along with the Inquisition. Perhaps it's wishful-thinking on my part, but it really didn't seem to me, the way Trespasser was written, that our character's role would be over in any way. (After all, if you disband, she declares: "I have a world to save. Again.")
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 3, 2017 19:21:09 GMT
This thread is really just a thought exercise. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, BW has already said they're going with a new protag with each new game and that one of the goals of Trespasser was to wrap up the Inquisitor's story and conclusively tie-off that protagonist. I'm hoping they'll cameo in DA4, but it'll definitely be as an NPC. Of course, Hrungr. I think though, that it's possible to wrap up the role of Inquisitor without retiring our character. The Inquisition, after all, will either be disbanded or a token "peacekeeping force" in DA4, and our character will no longer be the Inquisitor. I didn't read it as meaning that our character will be wrapped up along with the Inquisition. Perhaps it's wishful-thinking on my part, but it really didn't seem to me, the way Trespasser was written, that our character's role would be over in any way. (After all, if you disband, she declares: "I have a world to save. Again.") I used to think that as well, but that tweet by Mike Laidlaw seems to derail that train of hope.
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Post by Frost on Sept 3, 2017 19:30:49 GMT
I would also like the Inquisitor (or former Inquisitor) to come back as a pc or dual pc in DA4. With Solas as the antagonist it seems strange to have another pc finish the story. It seems a waste to finally have a more personal antagonist and then not have the pc come back.
I don't like having former pcs coming back as npcs, though. I hope they don't do that.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 3, 2017 19:39:13 GMT
I used to think that as well, but that tweet by Mike Laidlaw seems to derail that train of hope. The one where he says there's a new protag for every game? Or another tweet? If we have dual protagonists, we would still have a new protagonist... plus the returning one. Anyway, it's not for me to insist, of course. Bioware will do what they will. I can only have preferences on the subject, unfortunately
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 3, 2017 19:53:48 GMT
Of course, Hrungr. I think though, that it's possible to wrap up the role of Inquisitor without retiring our character. The Inquisition, after all, will either be disbanded or a token "peacekeeping force" in DA4, and our character will no longer be the Inquisitor. I didn't read it as meaning that our character will be wrapped up along with the Inquisition. Perhaps it's wishful-thinking on my part, but it really didn't seem to me, the way Trespasser was written, that our character's role would be over in any way. (After all, if you disband, she declares: "I have a world to save. Again.") I used to think that as well, but that tweet by Mike Laidlaw seems to derail that train of hope. Yeah, I think they've been very clear on this point. Again, it's not to say they can't change their minds, but at this point it's more a question of how (as an NPC) will they be used.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 3, 2017 20:11:45 GMT
I used to think that as well, but that tweet by Mike Laidlaw seems to derail that train of hope. The one where he says there's a new protag for every game? Or another tweet? If we have dual protagonists, we would still have a new protagonist... plus the returning one. Anyway, it's not for me to insist, of course. Bioware will do what they will. I can only have preferences on the subject, unfortunately I wish I still had your optimism. I used to think that as well, but that tweet by Mike Laidlaw seems to derail that train of hope. Yeah, I think they've been very clear on this point. Again, it's not to say they can't change their minds, but at this point it's more a question of how (as an NPC) will they be used. Yeah. And unfortunately that means they are ruining two good series instead of just one. If they aren't going to be a PC, I'd rather they not show up at all. No NPC, no cameo, no references, nothing. At least then they wouldn't butcher them like they have every other time.
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Post by brandoftime on Sept 3, 2017 20:34:24 GMT
I think what gave me hope to see this character continue was the interview a few years back with David Gaider who said originally that DAI had twice as much main story line they had to cut in half. www.fm96.com/syn/60/89642/vgs-bioware-interview-dragon-age-inquisition-a-restrospectiveSo logically, I'm assuming that if they had made the original sized DAI, they couldn't have just switched characters halfway through, the whole story would have to tell the tale of the Inquisitor, whether or not they disband the Inquisition at the halfway point. Realistically, to attract new people to the series, they will likely go with all new character and let us use the Keep to bring over as many choices as possible. They are known, however, for changing their minds on the fly, as in offering the Exalted March DLC for DA2, then cancelling that idea to just go ahead with Inquisition's development, integrating some of the story from that into DAI. So if they see enough of us want real closure with our characters in the game, maybe they will at least offer a huge side quest involving just our Inquisitor so we can tie things off with Solas. At the end of Trespasser, it becomes a personal promise to either save him or stop him, or both and the payoff won't be there if the Inquisitor isn't there. To me, it will just not fit. Trespasser, while good in many ways, does not do what they set out to do in finishing off this character for good. There's just too much loaded in with the Solas thing, and really, the picture in one of the slides of the prosthetic hand/weapon kind of promises that all isn't over, and they aren't now out of the fight.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 21:58:49 GMT
I remember a tweet from Laidlaw that a character can come back if the story demands that character to come back. So I can see the Inquisitor return, and her/his arm as well, if the story demands it
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Post by brandoftime on Sept 3, 2017 22:58:48 GMT
Actually, if they had left off after defeating Corypheus, I could see moving onto another protagonist, with Inquisitor as a cameo/NPC.
But Trespasser changed all that making it a personal mission for the character that would absolutely suck to see a new person do. Especially the ones who romanced Solas . . .
And reading about it in a future comic ain't gonna cut it . . .
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 4, 2017 0:19:16 GMT
Actually, if they had left off after defeating Corypheus, I could see moving onto another protagonist, with Inquisitor as a cameo/NPC. But Trespasser changed all that making it a personal mission for the character that would absolutely suck to see a new person do. Especially the ones who romanced Solas . . . And reading about it in a future comic ain't gonna cut it . . . Agreed. Personally, there is no way my inky would allow someone else to deal with Solas. It is unfathomable. Unthinkable. Impossible.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 4, 2017 2:41:36 GMT
Handing that off to a newbie who has no clue...and I'd RP them as best as I could as having no clue... Ugh. I mean, imagine the Dialogue. Solas would have no sympathy for a new protagonist, no connection. From his perspective, they aren't worth an explaination. So unless you go cliche villain and make him have a large exposition speech, Solas is far more likely to just quietly turn our new protagonist to stone and move along. Making a complex villain into a Mwuahahaha from the POV of the newbie. Like. Solas would just be ruined if he didn't have a scene where he says to inky, like Flemeth, "I'm sorry" and then as my Inky watches him die of something or I am putting a blade into his chest, "I'm sorry too, old friend." And people want to skip the epic-ness of THAT?! It's not so much that I want to skip the epicness of that, as that (as others have mentioned) Bioware's made clear they're going to have someone else be the one to actually take Solas down. In fact I actually think I agree that it would make more sense narratively for Inky to handle this personally, but to all appearances that's just not happening. Although something like the scene you describe isn't entirely impossible, since we know Inky's at least going to be involved in this. As for Solas just turning the new guy into stone and moving on... well, he's probably going to want to, but there's no way we're not going to have some way of countering that. I mean, he's unbeatable otherwise, new PC or no.
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 4, 2017 2:44:04 GMT
Inky is really the only one who could take Solas down, through love or revenge. But knowing EA owned Bioware, they'll screw it up.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 4, 2017 2:48:32 GMT
The Inquisitor will take down Solas. The plot will demand it happen that way.
Or, what I believe might happen, Solas goes through with his plan except it backfires banishing himself while releasing the evanuris for the player to deal with.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 4, 2017 2:49:34 GMT
Inky is really the only one who could take Solas down, through love or revenge. But knowing EA owned Bioware, they'll screw it up. How do you figure? Unfinished personal business or not, taking him down should be as simple as putting something sharp in him and then doing something with his spirit so that it doesn't keep following his agenda like Mythal's did. Edit: Okay, so maybe "simple" wasn't the word, but still: why is Inky the only one that can do it?
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Post by naughtynomad on Sept 4, 2017 2:55:45 GMT
If Solas is the real antagonist of DA4, its just a matter of story telling to set up a relationship between him and the new protagonist. I personally have my doubts we will jump directly into the Solas storyline.
People saying the Inquisitor is the only one who can deal with him have very limited imaginations. Every DA game has worked like this. DAO introduced Anders/Justice and the mage/templar conflict, but Hawke and DA2 finished it. DA2 introduced Corypheus, but the Inquisitor finished it. Now DAI introduced Solas and DA4's protagonist will finish it.
If you don't like it, then you don't like Dragon Age.
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