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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 16, 2017 17:55:53 GMT
That's a good one, given that you just made a ludicrous comparison between entertainment media and jury duty. If entertainment doesn't grab you within an hour or so, chances are, it never will. Good for you, if it did. But that in itself does nothing for people having found the game to be a bland experience. I'm somewhere in the middle. Finished it once but have no desire for a second helping. But to say, someone has to go through hours of utter boredom to come to the conclusion, they don't like what's on offer, is ridiculous. I wouldn't waste my time on something I dislike either. Especially when it's supposed to be entertainment. If I followed that logic I never would have gotten past Taris in KOTOR or Prague and the Citadel in KOTOR2. You can't give a game like this a brief try and decide. Yeah even ME 1 starts off pretty slow until Shepard becomes a spectre and gets off the citadel for the first time. |
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Post by clips7 on Sept 16, 2017 17:56:56 GMT
Nah, BioWare did. Terrible management, terrible marketing, mediocre game with a even more mediocre post launch support. "But I can romance Jaal now durr." EXACTLY! I was about to post this. Bioware pulling the plug killed MEA and the fact that they prioritized romance over gameplay elements and glitches really fucked everything up. Fuck the romance crowd, make a decent game first then appease the weirdos with the 75 flavors of booty. MEAMP is still glitched in many areas or just in need of a major balance change as well as needing more content plus QUARIANS in MP and SP. They were busy making more romance additions and fixing animations to an unneeded point instead. Enjoy the Jaal secks! It's shit like that which took away from things that needed fixing or adding for ALL players.  I can agree with this to an extent. I would go a step further and say that even with the patches that cleaned up the animation issues and story glitches, the game is still a mediorce experience. And people saying this game failed because of what folks saw on youtube?....  .....if the game had an enagaging storyline with interesting characters, all of the youtube videos in the world couldn't have done anything to stop it's success. Respected gaming sites that reviewed Andromeda all came to the conclusion that the game's characters and story was lacking in a whole host of key areas....THAT is the core issue with this game....the cosmetics can be fixed with patches,..the story and boring characters cannot. As far as Jaal is concerened? I can see Bioware just wanting to please fans that wanted romance him and at the end of the day it doesn't affect the storyline in any way unless you desire to pursue a romance with him. On the other hand if Jaal was structured not to be BI in the first place then they just should have left that alone and focused on more pressing issues that was critical at the time. It's ok to try and please fans, but it becomes an issue if you create a game by trying to check off some list to make sure everybody is happy.....kinda like how Ryder tried to be in this game. Make a great story that you want to tell first with interesting characters and everybody else will shut the f**k up about wanting to sex this person or that alien....everybody will be too busy enjoying the story and characters within the universe you created. |
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Post by smilesja on Sept 16, 2017 17:58:18 GMT
EXACTLY! I was about to post this. Bioware pulling the plug killed MEA and the fact that they prioritized romance over gameplay elements and glitches really fucked everything up. Fuck the romance crowd, make a decent game first then appease the weirdos with the 75 flavors of booty. MEAMP is still glitched in many areas or just in need of a major balance change as well as needing more content plus QUARIANS in MP and SP. They were busy making more romance additions and fixing animations to an unneeded point instead. Enjoy the Jaal secks! It's shit like that which took away from things that needed fixing or adding for ALL players. I can agree with this to an extent. I would go a step further and say that even with the patches that cleaned up the animation issues and story glitches, the game is still a mediorce experience. And people saying this game failed because of what folks saw on youtube?.... .....if the game had an enagaging storyline with interesting characters, all of the youtube videos in the world couldn't have done anything to stop it's success. Respected gaming sites that reviewed Andromeda all came to the conclusion that the game's characters and story was lacking in a whole host of key areas....THAT is the core issue with this game....the cosmetics can be fixed with patches,..the story and boring characters cannot. As far as Jaal is concerened? I can see Bioware just wanting to please fans that wanted romance him and at the end of the day it doesn't affect the storyline in any way unless you desire to pursue a romance with him. On the other hand if Jaal was structured not to be BI in the first place then they just should have left that alone and focused on more pressing issues that was critical at the time. It's ok to try and please fans, but it becomes an issue if you create a game by trying to check off some list to make sure everybody is happy.....kinda like how Ryder tried to be in this game. Make a great story that you want to tell first with interesting characters and everybody else will shut the f**k up about wanting to sex this person or that alien....everybody will be too busy enjoying the story and characters within the universe you created. It was actually mixed. Some reviewers like the story and characters and others didn't. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 16, 2017 19:51:37 GMT
If I followed that logic I never would have gotten past Taris in KOTOR or Prague and the Citadel in KOTOR2. You can't give a game like this a brief try and decide. I don't see any reason to pass my free time bored. Golden rule of entertainment. If it doesn't catch you within an hour or so, it's not for you. If you feel like boredom is the way to enlightenment, that's your prerogrative. Games especially story driven RPGs can take time to get going. It's not the beginning but the journey that matters. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 16, 2017 19:52:28 GMT
If I followed that logic I never would have gotten past Taris in KOTOR or Prague and the Citadel in KOTOR2. You can't give a game like this a brief try and decide. Yeah even ME 1 starts off pretty slow until Shepard becomes a spectre and gets off the citadel for the first time. Yup. But now it's a problem. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 16, 2017 20:21:21 GMT
Yeah even ME 1 starts off pretty slow until Shepard becomes a spectre and gets off the citadel for the first time. Yup. But now it's a problem. 🤦♂️ The problems are impatient gamers with short attention spans and their need for immediate gratification. Some of the best games I have ever played have been slow starters. These gamers are why single player gaming is slowly dying. |
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 16, 2017 20:23:44 GMT
Yup. But now it's a problem. 🤦♂️ The problems are impatient gamers with short attention spans and their need for immediate gratification. Some of the best games I have ever played have been slow starters. These gamers are why single player gaming is slowly dying. I hope it never fully dies. My bet is it will be divided into two categories SP and MP. Team A will build SP games and Team B MP. It's what is already starting to happen. But as long as SP isn't abandoned I'll live with it. Edit: My bet is those complaining could never have the patience to make it through classic Zelda. |
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Post by starch on Sept 16, 2017 20:40:13 GMT
Personally, I think we should contact Bioware and tell to give us a expansion (Aquarian Arc, who kill the founder, and who is the benefactor) contact@bioware.com @bioware @masseffect www.facebook.com/masseffect answers.ea.com/t5/Mass-Effect-Andromeda/ct-p/mass-effect-andromeda-enBioWare Edmonton 200-4445 Calgary Trail NW Edmonton AB Canada T6H 5R7 Phone: 780-430-0164 Fax: 780-439-6374 BioWare Austin 7700 West Parmer Lane Suite 250 -- Building C Austin, TX 78729 Phone: 512-382-8682 Email Inquiries contact@bioware.com |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 16, 2017 20:56:04 GMT
The problems are impatient gamers with short attention spans and their need for immediate gratification. Some of the best games I have ever played have been slow starters. These gamers are why single player gaming is slowly dying. I hope it never fully dies. My bet is it will be divided into two categories SP and MP. Team A will build SP games and Team B MP. It's what is already starting to happen. But as long as SP isn't abandoned I'll live with it. Edit: My bet is those complaining could never have the patience to make it through classic Zelda. I don't think it will ever die. There is still a big market for those kind of games so companies will still make them. |
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Post by mannyray on Sept 16, 2017 21:06:50 GMT
Personally, I think we should contact Bioware and tell to give us a expansion (Aquarian Arc, who kill the founder, and who is the benefactor) @bioware @masseffect www.facebook.com/masseffect answers.ea.com/t5/Mass-Effect-Andromeda/ct-p/mass-effect-andromeda-enBioWare Edmonton 200-4445 Calgary Trail NW Edmonton AB Canada T6H 5R7 Phone: 780-430-0164 Fax: 780-439-6374 BioWare Montréal 2200 Stanley Street Montreal QC Canada H3A 1R6 Phone: 514-448-8800 Fax: 514-448-8846 BioWare Austin 7700 West Parmer Lane Suite 250 -- Building C Austin, TX 78729 Phone: 512-382-8682 Email Inquiries contact@bioware.com Nice sentiment, but EAWare has cut its losses, so to speak. Also, you have the address for BioWare Montreal, which no longer exists. |
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Post by abaris on Sept 16, 2017 21:12:59 GMT
Nice sentiment, but EAWare has cut its losses, so to speak. Also, you have the address for BioWare Montreal, which no longer exists. Going by all of starch's posts, he's obviously an idealistic kid, who doesn't know how corporations are working. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 21:13:41 GMT
If I followed that logic I never would have gotten past Taris in KOTOR or Prague and the Citadel in KOTOR2. You can't give a game like this a brief try and decide. I don't see any reason to pass my free time bored. Golden rule of entertainment. If it doesn't catch you within an hour or so, it's not for you. If you feel like boredom is the way to enlightenment, that's your prerogrative. Fine... don't continue with it, by all means... but you are then not in any position to KNOW the contents of game or gameplay beyond the point at which you decided to quit it and have no basis to argue with people that have completed the game that their opinions on it are "wrong" or "idiotic" etc. etc. I also do not understand why people who claim they don't want to spend hours of their time "being bored" playing the game would conceivably be less bored badgering people here who played that game to completion and happened to enjoy it. It would seem to me to be an even bigger waste of your time to spend those hours here since you'll never get nothing of benefit to you out of it. At least for me, who plays the game, I do occasionally get a useful tip from players who have played the game that I can apply to my next playthrough. |
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 16, 2017 21:31:13 GMT
And to think somehow MP is going to be shoehorned into the next DA game. This is indeed a disturbing universe. DA and MP make no sense, to me. DA gameplay is horrific, not to mention ill-suited to MP. I'd never tolerate it if not for the amazing SP setting and stories. The fact that anyone could want to play DAMP (what an acronym) befuddles me. The multiplayer mode of Mass Effect 3 was a fluke and/or basically dumb luck on good it turned out (and some that MIGHT be caused by the ending controversy), just as the attempts to replicate it's success in DA:I and ME:A were failures. I doubt Anthem will be any better. |
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Post by Guts on Sept 16, 2017 21:32:41 GMT
EXACTLY! I was about to post this. Bioware pulling the plug killed MEA and the fact that they prioritized romance over gameplay elements and glitches really fucked everything up. Fuck the romance crowd, make a decent game first then appease the weirdos with the 75 flavors of booty. MEAMP is still glitched in many areas or just in need of a major balance change as well as needing more content plus QUARIANS in MP and SP. They were busy making more romance additions and fixing animations to an unneeded point instead. Enjoy the Jaal secks! It's shit like that which took away from things that needed fixing or adding for ALL players. I can agree with this to an extent. I would go a step further and say that even with the patches that cleaned up the animation issues and story glitches, the game is still a mediorce experience. And people saying this game failed because of what folks saw on youtube?.... .....if the game had an enagaging storyline with interesting characters, all of the youtube videos in the world couldn't have done anything to stop it's success. Respected gaming sites that reviewed Andromeda all came to the conclusion that the game's characters and story was lacking in a whole host of key areas....THAT is the core issue with this game....the cosmetics can be fixed with patches,..the story and boring characters cannot. As far as Jaal is concerened? I can see Bioware just wanting to please fans that wanted romance him and at the end of the day it doesn't affect the storyline in any way unless you desire to pursue a romance with him. On the other hand if Jaal was structured not to be BI in the first place then they just should have left that alone and focused on more pressing issues that was critical at the time. It's ok to try and please fans, but it becomes an issue if you create a game by trying to check off some list to make sure everybody is happy.....kinda like how Ryder tried to be in this game. Make a great story that you want to tell first with interesting characters and everybody else will shut the f**k up about wanting to sex this person or that alien....everybody will be too busy enjoying the story and characters within the universe you created. Not necessarily, IIRC, reception towards the characters was generally mixed. (I think of characters like Spartan Locke from Halo 5 or Lord Saladin from Destiny: Rise of Iron as dull. But that's just me.) |
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Post by ENGINEER_H4RR7 on Sept 16, 2017 23:31:34 GMT
And to think somehow MP is going to be shoehorned into the next DA game. This is indeed a disturbing universe. There is a rumor on several game news sites that the next DA is a spin off and it might heavily focus on MP Co-op or right down being an MMO. I feel sick by this speculation. |
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Post by Pearl on Sept 16, 2017 23:37:11 GMT
It does not matter what the general consensus of Andromeda's Multiplayer is. The Pareto principle still exists (that is, 80% of revenue comes from 20% of players), and there's always "whales" who will literally spend thousands of dollars for any number of reasons.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 16, 2017 23:46:01 GMT
And to think somehow MP is going to be shoehorned into the next DA game. This is indeed a disturbing universe. There is a rumor on several game news sites that the next DA is a spin off and it might heavily focus on MP Co-op or right down being an MMO. I feel sick by this speculation.  |
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Post by MarilynRobert on Sept 17, 2017 0:10:50 GMT
And to think somehow MP is going to be shoehorned into the next DA game. This is indeed a disturbing universe. There is a rumor on several game news sites that the next DA is a spin off and it might heavily focus on MP Co-op or right down being an MMO. I feel sick by this speculation. That would stink...I'll have to read about what happens on the forums because I'm not interested in playing a MMO. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Sept 17, 2017 0:38:22 GMT
Nah, BioWare did. Terrible management, terrible marketing, mediocre game with a even more mediocre post launch support. "But I can romance Jaal now durr." EXACTLY! I was about to post this. Bioware pulling the plug killed MEA and the fact that they prioritized romance over gameplay elements and glitches really fucked everything up. Fuck the romance crowd, make a decent game first then appease the weirdos with the 75 flavors of booty. MEAMP is still glitched in many areas or just in need of a major balance change as well as needing more content plus QUARIANS in MP and SP. They were busy making more romance additions and fixing animations to an unneeded point instead. Enjoy the Jaal secks! It's shit like that which took away from things that needed fixing or adding for ALL players. It's because the majority of Biodrones considers a good BioWare game when they can fuck just about every fictional character in these games, and get madly butthurt whenever they can't. |
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Post by smilesja on Sept 17, 2017 0:50:44 GMT
EXACTLY! I was about to post this. Bioware pulling the plug killed MEA and the fact that they prioritized romance over gameplay elements and glitches really fucked everything up. Fuck the romance crowd, make a decent game first then appease the weirdos with the 75 flavors of booty. MEAMP is still glitched in many areas or just in need of a major balance change as well as needing more content plus QUARIANS in MP and SP. They were busy making more romance additions and fixing animations to an unneeded point instead. Enjoy the Jaal secks! It's shit like that which took away from things that needed fixing or adding for ALL players. It's because the majority of Biodrones considers a good BioWare game when they can fuck just about every fictional character in these games, and get madly butthurt whenever they can't. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 17, 2017 1:21:43 GMT
EXACTLY! I was about to post this. Bioware pulling the plug killed MEA and the fact that they prioritized romance over gameplay elements and glitches really fucked everything up. Fuck the romance crowd, make a decent game first then appease the weirdos with the 75 flavors of booty. MEAMP is still glitched in many areas or just in need of a major balance change as well as needing more content plus QUARIANS in MP and SP. They were busy making more romance additions and fixing animations to an unneeded point instead. Enjoy the Jaal secks! It's shit like that which took away from things that needed fixing or adding for ALL players. It's because the majority of Biodrones considers a good BioWare game when they can fuck just about every fictional character in these games, and get madly butthurt whenever they can't. That is not one of the things that really attract me to BioWare games...like...at all. |
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Post by river82 on Sept 17, 2017 1:33:51 GMT
And to think somehow MP is going to be shoehorned into the next DA game. This is indeed a disturbing universe. There is a rumor on several game news sites that the next DA is a spin off and it might heavily focus on MP Co-op or right down being an MMO. I feel sick by this speculation. Based pretty much solely on the refusal of DA staff to confirm the Dragon Age game being worked on is DA:4. It's pretty flimsy speculation. Personally I would think a spin off is a risky venture and it's not the time for Bioware to be doing risky (imo.) |
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Post by Pearl on Sept 17, 2017 2:43:08 GMT
Personally I would think a spin off is a risky venture and it's not the time for Bioware to be doing risky (imo.) They already played it about as safe as they could with Andromeda. If that wasn't safe enough to avoid criticism, maybe they should take some risks. |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 17, 2017 2:47:25 GMT
There is a rumor on several game news sites that the next DA is a spin off and it might heavily focus on MP Co-op or right down being an MMO. I feel sick by this speculation. Based pretty much solely on the refusal of DA staff to confirm the Dragon Age game being worked on is DA:4. It's pretty flimsy speculation. Personally I would think a spin off is a risky venture and it's not the time for Bioware to be doing risky (imo.) When ironically a freelance writer basically confirmed it's existence. That it's DA4 or writing the next DA. I take it as similar with DAI. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 17, 2017 5:39:52 GMT
Yup. But now it's a problem. 🤦♂️ The problems are impatient gamers with short attention spans and their need for immediate gratification. Some of the best games I have ever played have been slow starters. These gamers are why single player gaming is slowly dying. No, you are killing the industry. I was fascinated by every moment of KotOR in my first playthrough, and was never bored by Taris even if I wanted muh lightsaber. Things are compelling, and well done, or they're not. Your revisionist history here is a whopping load of shit. |
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