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Post by cypherj on Sept 20, 2017 22:21:04 GMT
That's called making fun of something, like if I made a meme out of the Krogan fight scene. I'm sure people that liked the game made fun of some of the stuff. Exaggerating things would be someone taking something that didn't really bother them and making a huge deal out of it just for the sake of complaining. So whenever someone makes a blanket statement about how things were overblown, exaggerated, etc, you're telling people who had legitimate complaints about things that really bothered them they fall into this category. Stick to the question - Are they not being exaggerated? When someone says the issues were exaggerated, then - aren't they telling the truth? Unlike you, I'm not ascribing a motive to any of it. Does someone looking at those particular videos get an accurate picture of the issues or not? Now, let's add in another fact... That, upon looking for informational videos on ME:A like, say, one showing the secrets of the Eos vault and, if not johnny on the spot in shutting down that video, I automatically get connected to one of the "Why Andromeda was such a disaster" videos, complete with googly eyes... are my desires to just receive factual information on the game being respected by the media... or are they shoving their opinions down my throat at every opportunity just to inflate the views of those videos? Is this also not a form of exaggerating the issues? That's not the same thing to me. For example, in ME2 I thought the constant "assuming direct control" was ridiculous, and if memes had been all the rage back then I'm sure there would have been plenty making fun of this by people who did and didn't like the game. But that in no way correlates to "issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail."I've seen some videos about bugs in Andromeda and I actually laughed at some of them I hadn't seen in my playthrough. I this malicious? Could it just be that someone found something funny and made a video because they thought other people may find it funny? As far as the review videos, like I've said, I'm not one to tell someone else how they should or shouldn't feel about a game. If someone made a video praising the game, and they are out there, I'm not going to call them a liar. Obviously, people are biased, but you have them on both sides of the debate.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2017 22:47:37 GMT
Except some were. Animations? Check they were bad at launch. Bad enough to trash the game the way it was? Nope even glitches like this in the OT did not cause this kind of uproar. Quest bugs? Yes it happened and was fixed. Again overblown. Wanting it to fail? Also check. Plenty of evidence of that long begins launch. I have no issue with legitimate gripes but the fact is there are plenty that aren't. Bioware felt the need to fix the animations so pretty easily not overblown. Check If a quest is bugged BEFORE the fix then it can't be overblown (If you still consider it a problem AFTER the fix then sure but nobody is) . Self Explanatory. Check Wanting it to fail...We both know where this is going. Your buddy UpUpAwayRedux2 may not see it but we both know...Check Oh so they never fixed the animations then? Riiiight. Next quest bugs are very common in nearly every RPG especially open world and most were fixed nearly right away. Compare this game to others who had the same types of issues. You'll see that Andromeda got way more flak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 22:55:47 GMT
Bioware felt the need to fix the animations so pretty easily not overblown. Check If a quest is bugged BEFORE the fix then it can't be overblown (If you still consider it a problem AFTER the fix then sure but nobody is) . Self Explanatory. Check Wanting it to fail...We both know where this is going. Your buddy UpUpAwayRedux2 may not see it but we both know...Check Oh so they never fixed the animations then? Riiiight. Next quest bugs are very common in nearly every RPG especially open world and most were fixed nearly right away. Compare this game to others who had the same types of issues. You'll see that Andromeda got way more flak. Can you even comprehend what I stated above? I clearly stated that Bioware felt the need to fix said animations. Your first sentence goes way the fuck out in left field. EVERY game gets flak for letting bugs through QC. The Technomancer got even more shit for the same bugs as Andromeda. Just let it go already. The fans didn't kill the game. Bioware and EA did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 22:57:11 GMT
Stick to the question - Are they not being exaggerated? When someone says the issues were exaggerated, then - aren't they telling the truth? Unlike you, I'm not ascribing a motive to any of it. Does someone looking at those particular videos get an accurate picture of the issues or not? Now, let's add in another fact... That, upon looking for informational videos on ME:A like, say, one showing the secrets of the Eos vault and, if not johnny on the spot in shutting down that video, I automatically get connected to one of the "Why Andromeda was such a disaster" videos, complete with googly eyes... are my desires to just receive factual information on the game being respected by the media... or are they shoving their opinions down my throat at every opportunity just to inflate the views of those videos? Is this also not a form of exaggerating the issues? That's not the same thing to me. For example, in ME2 I thought the constant "assuming direct control" was ridiculous, and if memes had been all the rage back then I'm sure there would have been plenty making fun of this by people who did and didn't like the game. But that in no way correlates to "issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail."I've seen some videos about bugs in Andromeda and I actually laughed at some of them I hadn't seen in my playthrough. I this malicious? Could it just be that someone found something funny and made a video because they thought other people may find it funny? As far as the review videos, like I've said, I'm not one to tell someone else how they should or shouldn't feel about a game. If someone made a video praising the game, and they are out there, I'm not going to call them a liar. Obviously, people are biased, but you have them on both sides of the debate. Again... stick to the facts... Do the memes exaggerate the issues? Does automatic connection inflate the number of views of those videos? Don't ascribe motive... I'm not ascribing motive. When I say the issues were exaggerated and overblown... am I not simply stating a fact? Now let's address motive. I'm not the one saying the memes were being made only by people who wanted to see the game fail... but it's no different that you saying the memes were made only by people who wanted to have a good laugh either. The motive is unknown. I am aware of people on the old BSN, however, who told me outright that they wanted to see the game fail... and people who always outright have said they wanted Bioware to fail... and people who have said they wanted Manveer Heir fired... and people who have said they want/wanted Mac Walters fired... and numerous people who want the endings to ME3 redone. That is, there are collectively a fair number of people who themselves cite different reasons for disliking Bioware. Some of those same people continue to make posts along those same lines here on this BSN. That increases an overall environment of negativity. Again, not a conspiracy theory. Not saying their reasons are invalid in any way. Just that stating the fact... Bioware is not universally popular for a number of different reasons. That means they should have expected that their game would have a tougher time being released than a game from a company that is more universally popular. Again, simple fact. It's not a conspiracy... but a "perfect storm" of negativity... and the game wasn't perfect enough to overcome it. Simple fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:00:53 GMT
That's not the same thing to me. For example, in ME2 I thought the constant "assuming direct control" was ridiculous, and if memes had been all the rage back then I'm sure there would have been plenty making fun of this by people who did and didn't like the game. But that in no way correlates to "issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail."I've seen some videos about bugs in Andromeda and I actually laughed at some of them I hadn't seen in my playthrough. I this malicious? Could it just be that someone found something funny and made a video because they thought other people may find it funny? As far as the review videos, like I've said, I'm not one to tell someone else how they should or shouldn't feel about a game. If someone made a video praising the game, and they are out there, I'm not going to call them a liar. Obviously, people are biased, but you have them on both sides of the debate. Again... stick to the facts... Do the memes exaggerate the issues? Does automatic connection inflate the number of views of those videos? Don't ascribe motive... I'm not ascribing motive. When I say the issues were exaggerated and overblown... am I not simply stating a fact? NO, you would be stating an opinion. What you consider exaggerated or overblown can be vastly different from others. This is pretty much 2nd grade level shit. What's so hard to understand?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2017 23:16:00 GMT
Oh so they never fixed the animations then? Riiiight. Next quest bugs are very common in nearly every RPG especially open world and most were fixed nearly right away. Compare this game to others who had the same types of issues. You'll see that Andromeda got way more flak. Can you even comprehend what I stated above? I clearly stated that Bioware felt the need to fix said animations. Your first sentence goes way the fuck out in left field. EVERY game gets flak for letting bugs through QC. The Technomancer got even more shit for the same bugs as Andromeda. Just let it go already. The fans didn't kill the game. Bioware and EA did. can you point to a single instance where he claimed fans killed the game?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:24:39 GMT
Again... stick to the facts... Do the memes exaggerate the issues? Does automatic connection inflate the number of views of those videos? Don't ascribe motive... I'm not ascribing motive. When I say the issues were exaggerated and overblown... am I not simply stating a fact? NO, you would be stating an opinion. What you consider exaggerated or overblown can be vastly different from others. This is pretty much 2nd grade level shit. What's so hard to understand? No, I'm stating a fact... Do the googly eye videos show the eyes as they actually are in the game or are they exaggerated? Do videos that cherry pick the only the worst looking eyes showing the true extent of the issue or are they exaggerting it? Are the videos that artificially "blow up" the eye area (just like they balloon tits and things) showing what's really there or are they exaggerating it? They are exaggerating it... statement of fact. What's so hard to understand? The only way they would not be exaggerating it is to only show it exactly as it appears in the game and show it only in appropriate numbers to match the actual ratio of occurrences of it in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:32:48 GMT
Can you even comprehend what I stated above? I clearly stated that Bioware felt the need to fix said animations. Your first sentence goes way the fuck out in left field. EVERY game gets flak for letting bugs through QC. The Technomancer got even more shit for the same bugs as Andromeda. Just let it go already. The fans didn't kill the game. Bioware and EA did. can you point to a single instance where he claimed fans killed the game? Are you really going to fucking make me do this? When has he NOT blamed the fans either by ME3's ending or currently? You can easily look through this thread alone and see the subtle (or not so) digs towards fan/haters just trying to crash Bioware. I honestly hope you're just trying to troll me here. Is Ashton Kutcher around the corner or something...
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2017 23:44:47 GMT
Oh so they never fixed the animations then? Riiiight. Next quest bugs are very common in nearly every RPG especially open world and most were fixed nearly right away. Compare this game to others who had the same types of issues. You'll see that Andromeda got way more flak. Can you even comprehend what I stated above? I clearly stated that Bioware felt the need to fix said animations. Your first sentence goes way the fuck out in left field. EVERY game gets flak for letting bugs through QC. The Technomancer got even more shit for the same bugs as Andromeda. Just let it go already. The fans didn't kill the game. Bioware and EA did. I mis read.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:45:14 GMT
NO, you would be stating an opinion. What you consider exaggerated or overblown can be vastly different from others. This is pretty much 2nd grade level shit. What's so hard to understand? No, I'm stating a fact... Do the googly eye videos show the eyes as they actually are in the game or are they exaggerated? Do videos that cherry pick the only the worst looking eyes showing the true extent of the issue or are they exaggerting it? Are the videos that artificially "blow up" the eye area (just like they balloon tits and things) showing what's really there or are they exaggerating it? They are exaggerating it... statement of fact. What's so hard to understand? The only way they would not be exaggerating it is to only show it exactly as it appears in the game and show it only in appropriate numbers to match the actual ratio of occurrences of it in the game. So are you stating that nobody should see these animation issues as actual issues? I personally experienced... -Falling through the floor 3 times -Getting stuck in the open world just walking around -Lost 10 hours worth of game play due to the companion dying bug -Various other story/side quest related bugs not being able to complete If I made a video of all these and put them on youtube would they be overblown if others had the same problem?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2017 23:45:19 GMT
Can you even comprehend what I stated above? I clearly stated that Bioware felt the need to fix said animations. Your first sentence goes way the fuck out in left field. EVERY game gets flak for letting bugs through QC. The Technomancer got even more shit for the same bugs as Andromeda. Just let it go already. The fans didn't kill the game. Bioware and EA did. can you point to a single instance where he claimed fans killed the game? Don't bother. I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:45:52 GMT
Can you even comprehend what I stated above? I clearly stated that Bioware felt the need to fix said animations. Your first sentence goes way the fuck out in left field. EVERY game gets flak for letting bugs through QC. The Technomancer got even more shit for the same bugs as Andromeda. Just let it go already. The fans didn't kill the game. Bioware and EA did. I mis read. Thank you for admitting that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 23:50:07 GMT
can you point to a single instance where he claimed fans killed the game? Don't bother. I'm done. Lets be honest about this and just squash it all together. Have you or have you not blamed the fans based off the ME3 ending hate or currently for ME:A not doing that well. Me and you have been talking about this since early August and I'd rather not have to go back and pull up these discussions.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2017 23:54:25 GMT
Lets be honest about this and just squash it all together. Have you or have you not blamed the fans based off the ME3 ending hate or currently for ME:A not doing that well. Me and you have been talking about this since early August and I'd rather not have to go back and pull up these discussions. I have said they are part of the cause not the sole cause.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 0:01:17 GMT
Lets be honest about this and just squash it all together. Have you or have you not blamed the fans based off the ME3 ending hate or currently for ME:A not doing that well. Me and you have been talking about this since early August and I'd rather not have to go back and pull up these discussions. I have said they are part of the cause not the sole cause. Would it be a little more fair to say that it was a bigger portion than a mere part? Either way I appreciate the answer and I'll leave it alone in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 0:09:43 GMT
I have found that some are quick to just lump people who criticised the game with mature arguments and reasoning with all the reactionary haters who just clogged YouTube comment sections/Twitter/these forums with biased hateful rage at BioWare's perceived agendas and or pushing of something or other that gets them triggered, as if they are one and the same.
Some people didn't like the game. They tried to voice a lot of valid criticisms but for the most part they were drowned out by the almost organised attacks against the game from the start, simply for, again, fearful perceptions about ultimately minute aspects of the game, some of which didn't even contribute to the failings of the game.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2017 1:12:35 GMT
Two things: One. Its the height of irony that people are blowing the arguments out of proportion in a discussion on if the criticisms of Andromeda were blown out of proportion.
Two: the main frustration for us MEAs fans come from the idea that, while yes MEA had its issues, things like bugs and graphical issues are present in the games of other companies (like CDPR) and yet they get away Scott free. The only difference is 'because EA'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 1:32:46 GMT
Two things: One. Its the height of irony that people are blowing the arguments out of proportion in a discussion on if the criticisms of Andromeda were blown out of proportion. Two: the main frustration for us MEAs fans come from the idea that, while yes MEA had its issues, things like bugs and graphical issues are present in the games of other companies (like CDPR) and yet they get away Scott free. The only difference is 'because EA' Or it could be that ME:A had a longer development time than any other Mass Effect game and still had more glaring issues than the rest. People for some reason try and claim that fans only had problems with the bugs and animations but this isn't true. You can easily look at the many in depth reviews and see the story, side quest, companions, open world and general pacing all contribute to its lackluster score. The only thing that most people can agree on was that the combat was good. A rpg can't survive on combat alone. All this is subjective but we got what we got and it's done and over. CDPR also had its fair share of vids due to various bugs, but bugs can be over looked if everything else falls in place. TW3's animations are second to none.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 21, 2017 2:35:04 GMT
Two things: One. Its the height of irony that people are blowing the arguments out of proportion in a discussion on if the criticisms of Andromeda were blown out of proportion. Two: the main frustration for us MEAs fans come from the idea that, while yes MEA had its issues, things like bugs and graphical issues are present in the games of other companies (like CDPR) and yet they get away Scott free. The only difference is 'because EA' You can Google Witcher 3 bugs, you'll find plenty of videos of people making fun of the bugs in the game, forums threads about game breaking bugs, etc Andromeda was not singled out. Did Andromeda have some unique material like the my face is tired, yes. But it's not the first game to have its bugs and glitches made fun of or complained about. The difference is that once people got down to the nuts and bolts, bread and butter of the Witcher 3 or other games they liked what they saw, and people are more willing to overlook things when they enjoy something overall. It all comes back to the whole animations and bugs aren't what caused the game to fail. A large number of people not liking the core aspects of the game caused the game to fail. You make a list of pros and cons, if the pros vastly outweigh the cons, someone will probably be more willing to overlook the cons. If something has too many cons, people will be less likely to overlook them. Just look on this site. There are three different polls asking pretty much the same question, would you like a direct sequel or something else. In every one, some with hundreds of votes, around 40% of people want something other than a direct sequel. On what is pretty much a fan forum, 4 out of 10 people don't want more of what they got, so imagine what the numbers would be if they just asked everyone who bought the game. For some people the good things about the game weren't enough to overcome its flaws and shortcomings so they put it aside. The cons outweighed the pros, and everyone has their own list based on their time playing the game. Every IP has it fanatics, just like every time a COD game comes out you have the same group of people crying about how they're rolling out the same thing over and over again and they need to change things. But those people can't cause a game to fail, the only way one of those games would fail is if a large chunk of the normal players rejected the game. The ones that don't really go in forums, or looking for vids on youtube, just the everyday players said they didn't like it and moved on to something else. Which is apparently what happened with ME:A, to the point where the market wasn't there to keep supporting the game with additional content just five months after it came out.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2017 3:54:01 GMT
Two things: One. Its the height of irony that people are blowing the arguments out of proportion in a discussion on if the criticisms of Andromeda were blown out of proportion. Two: the main frustration for us MEAs fans come from the idea that, while yes MEA had its issues, things like bugs and graphical issues are present in the games of other companies (like CDPR) and yet they get away Scott free. The only difference is 'because EA' You can Google Witcher 3 bugs, you'll find plenty of videos of people making fun of the bugs in the game, forums threads about game breaking bugs, etc Andromeda was not singled out. Did Andromeda have some unique material like the my face is tired, yes. But it's not the first game to have its bugs and glitches made fun of or complained about. The difference is that once people got down to the nuts and bolts, bread and butter of the Witcher 3 or other games they liked what they saw, and people are more willing to overlook things when they enjoy something overall. It all comes back to the whole animations and bugs aren't what caused the game to fail. A large number of people not liking the core aspects of the game caused the game to fail. You make a list of pros and cons, if the pros vastly outweigh the cons, someone will probably be more willing to overlook the cons. If something has too many cons, people will be less likely to overlook them. Just look on this site. There are three different polls asking pretty much the same question, would you like a direct sequel or something else. In every one, some with hundreds of votes, around 40% of people want something other than a direct sequel. On what is pretty much a fan forum, 4 out of 10 people don't want more of what they got, so imagine what the numbers would be if they just asked everyone who bought the game. For some people the good things about the game weren't enough to overcome its flaws and shortcomings so they put it aside. The cons outweighed the pros, and everyone has their own list based on their time playing the game. Every IP has it fanatics, just like every time a COD game comes out you have the same group of people crying about how they're rolling out the same thing over and over again and they need to change things. But those people can't cause a game to fail, the only way one of those games would fail is if a large chunk of the normal players rejected the game. The ones that don't really go in forums, or looking for vids on youtube, just the everyday players said they didn't like it and moved on to something else. Which is apparently what happened with ME:A, to the point where the market wasn't there to keep supporting the game with additional content just five months after it came out. and yet TW3 got critical and fan acclaim.
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You can Google Witcher 3 bugs, you'll find plenty of videos of people making fun of the bugs in the game, forums threads about game breaking bugs, etc Andromeda was not singled out. Did Andromeda have some unique material like the my face is tired, yes. But it's not the first game to have its bugs and glitches made fun of or complained about. The difference is that once people got down to the nuts and bolts, bread and butter of the Witcher 3 or other games they liked what they saw, and people are more willing to overlook things when they enjoy something overall. It all comes back to the whole animations and bugs aren't what caused the game to fail. A large number of people not liking the core aspects of the game caused the game to fail. You make a list of pros and cons, if the pros vastly outweigh the cons, someone will probably be more willing to overlook the cons. If something has too many cons, people will be less likely to overlook them. Just look on this site. There are three different polls asking pretty much the same question, would you like a direct sequel or something else. In every one, some with hundreds of votes, around 40% of people want something other than a direct sequel. On what is pretty much a fan forum, 4 out of 10 people don't want more of what they got, so imagine what the numbers would be if they just asked everyone who bought the game. For some people the good things about the game weren't enough to overcome its flaws and shortcomings so they put it aside. The cons outweighed the pros, and everyone has their own list based on their time playing the game. Every IP has it fanatics, just like every time a COD game comes out you have the same group of people crying about how they're rolling out the same thing over and over again and they need to change things. But those people can't cause a game to fail, the only way one of those games would fail is if a large chunk of the normal players rejected the game. The ones that don't really go in forums, or looking for vids on youtube, just the everyday players said they didn't like it and moved on to something else. Which is apparently what happened with ME:A, to the point where the market wasn't there to keep supporting the game with additional content just five months after it came out. and yet TW3 got critical and fan acclaim. The Witcher 3 is a far superior game, thus the justified praise. Its bugs were occasional and mildly funny, rather than all-encompassing and ever-present. I love Mass Effect, and enjoy MEA quite a bit. I've likely invested more time in playing this franchise than anyone here other than themikefest . As a dedicated fan of Mass Effect, I can say with absolute honesty that TW3 is superior in nearly every way to MEA. Its bugs were few and far between, and were fixed. I play MEA daily, and daily have to shutdown and restart the game because of bugs. I miss dialogue because of bugs. I endure lag and glitchy gameplay because of bugs. All of this is present in the final version of MEA. It's frustrating. I don't think comparing MEA to TW3 is going to take the debate in the direction you desire. Yes, some people were waiting to attack MEA. The thing is, they'd not have had much of an audience if MEA weren't a train wreck at release. The fault, if it must be laid, is on BioWare. They are the ones who botched the development process and had to release an unfinished game after 5 years. It's a damn fun game with many great features, in my opinion. It's also a buggy mess even now, and it will ever remain such. People are entitled to hate it. They're even entitled to make disingenuous memes and spew hate in Internet forums. (To be clear, I've not seen that in the parts of this thread that I've read.) I seem to stand in the middle ground with this game. I really like it and play it constantly. I also daily complain to my non-gamer wife about its unfinished, unpolished state. I tell her, "I'm going to go play my buggy game," and she knows which that is. It's okay to complain; and it's okay to let people who hate the game hate it. They are not hurting anyone. They are not even hurting the IP, at this point. That ship has sailed. Edit: more than a few typos
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Post by ayenari on Sept 21, 2017 4:23:05 GMT
The bugs and glitches out of the early access remained into the full release. The internet memes would still have happened, just a few days later than it did.
If there was any mistake here, it was more along the lines of locking in launch of the game in the state it was. If the current state of the game had been the one it shipped in it would've not received a fair share of those criticisms.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2017 5:23:59 GMT
and yet TW3 got critical and fan acclaim. The Witcher 3 is a far superior game, thus the justified praise. Its bugs were occasional and mildly funny, rather than all-encompassing and ever-present. I love Mass Effect, and enjoy MEA quite a bit. I've likely invested more time in playing this franchise than anyone here other than themikefest . As a dedicated fan of Mass Effect, I can say with absolute honesty that TW3 is superior in nearly every way to MEA. Its bugs were few and far between, and were fixed. I play MEA daily, and daily have to shutdown and restart the game because of bugs. I miss dialogue because of bugs. I endure lag and glitchy gameplay because of bugs. All of this is present in the final version of MEA. It's frustrating. I don't think comparing MEA to TW3 is going to take the debate in the direction you desire. Yes, some people were waiting to attack MEA. The thing is, they'd not have had much of an audience if MEA weren't a train wreck at release. The fault, if it must be laid, is on BioWare. They are the ones who botched the development process and had to release an unfinished game after 5 years. It's a damn fun game, with many great features, in my opinion. It's also a buggy mess even now, and it will ever remain such. People are entitled to hate it. They're even entitled to make disingenuous memes and spew hate in Internet forums. (To be clear, I've not seen that in the parts of this thread that I've read.) I seem to stand in the middle ground with this game. I really like it and play it constantly. I also daily complain to my non-gamer wife about its unfinished, unpolished state. I tell her, "I'm going to go play my buggy game," and she knows which that is. It's okay to complain; and it's okay to let people who hate the game hate it. Theatre not hurting anyone. They are not even hurting the IP, at this point. That ship has sailed. Edit: more than a few typos i just disagree. The Witcher 3 is not the far superior game. On the contrary i think MEA is. On my last PT of MEA i experienced no Major bugs. While my last of witcher i experienced three major bugs. And that's not even talking about the other aspects of the game because frankly only area TW3 Beats MEA on is side quests. Which is quite frustrating because TW3 was one of my favorite games on launch but honestly it seems CDPR broke more then it fixed with its patches.
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Post by suikoden on Sept 21, 2017 6:54:26 GMT
The Witcher 3 is a far superior game, thus the justified praise. Its bugs were occasional and mildly funny, rather than all-encompassing and ever-present. I love Mass Effect, and enjoy MEA quite a bit. I've likely invested more time in playing this franchise than anyone here other than themikefest . As a dedicated fan of Mass Effect, I can say with absolute honesty that TW3 is superior in nearly every way to MEA. Its bugs were few and far between, and were fixed. I play MEA daily, and daily have to shutdown and restart the game because of bugs. I miss dialogue because of bugs. I endure lag and glitchy gameplay because of bugs. All of this is present in the final version of MEA. It's frustrating. I don't think comparing MEA to TW3 is going to take the debate in the direction you desire. Yes, some people were waiting to attack MEA. The thing is, they'd not have had much of an audience if MEA weren't a train wreck at release. The fault, if it must be laid, is on BioWare. They are the ones who botched the development process and had to release an unfinished game after 5 years. It's a damn fun game, with many great features, in my opinion. It's also a buggy mess even now, and it will ever remain such. People are entitled to hate it. They're even entitled to make disingenuous memes and spew hate in Internet forums. (To be clear, I've not seen that in the parts of this thread that I've read.) I seem to stand in the middle ground with this game. I really like it and play it constantly. I also daily complain to my non-gamer wife about its unfinished, unpolished state. I tell her, "I'm going to go play my buggy game," and she knows which that is. It's okay to complain; and it's okay to let people who hate the game hate it. Theatre not hurting anyone. They are not even hurting the IP, at this point. That ship has sailed. Edit: more than a few typos i just disagree. The Witcher 3 is not the far superior game. On the contrary i think MEA is. On my last PT of MEA i experienced no Major bugs. While my last of witcher i experienced three major bugs. And that's not even talking about the other aspects of the game because frankly only area TW3 Beats MEA on is side quests. Which is quite frustrating because TW3 was one of my favorite games on launch but honestly it seems CDPR broke more then it fixed with its patches. The fact that TW3 is considered one of the best games of the last ten years, and won basically every award there is to win, should show you how wrong you are...
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Post by suikoden on Sept 21, 2017 6:55:27 GMT
Definitely not a mistake as it saved me, and most likely millions of others, from making a purchase we would have regretted.
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