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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2017 7:05:52 GMT
i just disagree. The Witcher 3 is not the far superior game. On the contrary i think MEA is. On my last PT of MEA i experienced no Major bugs. While my last of witcher i experienced three major bugs. And that's not even talking about the other aspects of the game because frankly only area TW3 Beats MEA on is side quests. Which is quite frustrating because TW3 was one of my favorite games on launch but honestly it seems CDPR broke more then it fixed with its patches. The fact that TW3 is considered one of the best games of the last ten years, and won basically every award there is to win, should show you how wrong you are... Impossible to be wrong based on purely subjective standards.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 21, 2017 7:07:07 GMT
i just disagree. The Witcher 3 is not the far superior game. On the contrary i think MEA is. On my last PT of MEA i experienced no Major bugs. While my last of witcher i experienced three major bugs. And that's not even talking about the other aspects of the game because frankly only area TW3 Beats MEA on is side quests. Which is quite frustrating because TW3 was one of my favorite games on launch but honestly it seems CDPR broke more then it fixed with its patches. The fact that TW3 is considered one of the best games of the last ten years, and won basically every award there is to win, should show you how wrong you are... But it's his opinion.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 21, 2017 7:08:59 GMT
The Witcher 3 is a far superior game, thus the justified praise. Its bugs were occasional and mildly funny, rather than all-encompassing and ever-present. I love Mass Effect, and enjoy MEA quite a bit. I've likely invested more time in playing this franchise than anyone here other than themikefest . As a dedicated fan of Mass Effect, I can say with absolute honesty that TW3 is superior in nearly every way to MEA. Its bugs were few and far between, and were fixed. I play MEA daily, and daily have to shutdown and restart the game because of bugs. I miss dialogue because of bugs. I endure lag and glitchy gameplay because of bugs. All of this is present in the final version of MEA. It's frustrating. I don't think comparing MEA to TW3 is going to take the debate in the direction you desire. Yes, some people were waiting to attack MEA. The thing is, they'd not have had much of an audience if MEA weren't a train wreck at release. The fault, if it must be laid, is on BioWare. They are the ones who botched the development process and had to release an unfinished game after 5 years. It's a damn fun game, with many great features, in my opinion. It's also a buggy mess even now, and it will ever remain such. People are entitled to hate it. They're even entitled to make disingenuous memes and spew hate in Internet forums. (To be clear, I've not seen that in the parts of this thread that I've read.) I seem to stand in the middle ground with this game. I really like it and play it constantly. I also daily complain to my non-gamer wife about its unfinished, unpolished state. I tell her, "I'm going to go play my buggy game," and she knows which that is. It's okay to complain; and it's okay to let people who hate the game hate it. Theatre not hurting anyone. They are not even hurting the IP, at this point. That ship has sailed. Edit: more than a few typos i just disagree. The Witcher 3 is not the far superior game. On the contrary i think MEA is. On my last PT of MEA i experienced no Major bugs. While my last of witcher i experienced three major bugs. And that's not even talking about the other aspects of the game because frankly only area TW3 Beats MEA on is side quests. Which is quite frustrating because TW3 was one of my favorite games on launch but honestly it seems CDPR broke more then it fixed with its patches. Fair enough. I wish I experienced fewer bugs with MEA. It's certainly not for lack of playing it! Our experiences with these games are reversed. I think that speaks to the random nature of some bugs, as I mentioned in the other discussion. We might play on different platforms, etc... I love ME, and I'm not even saying that I prefer TW3 to MEA. I just think it's a superior creative work. It was finished at release, and got great post-relesse support. (I hate when patches create more issues, as you have experienced with it. I feel that MEA worked best at 1.06.) MEA has amazing gameplay; a great crafting system; beautiful aesthetic choices; and it implemented some changes that fans (or at least this fan) long desired. I just wish that hadn't been obscured by the technical flaws. I believe that those who dislike MEA's open-world structure, some of its writing, etc... might've been willing to wait and see if BioWare would improve in a sequel. Those omnipresent bugs, though, just put the icing on the cake disappointment for them. I personally believe that MEA gets better with repeated play. I think all open-world games require a bit more dedication than more linear experiences. They're so damn big that only really high and low moments stick out for many gamers. Statistics say that most people don't play very far into games. That's another strike against MEA, because it grows stronger as it advances. I could talk about this all night, but I'm starting to ramble. I really wanted MEA to be a new RPG benchmark. I thought that lessons learned from DAI's strengths, combined with ME's great gameplay and setting, would give it a shot. As much as I like it, I don't consider it a benchmark, aside from its amazing combat gameplay and character-building mechanics.
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Post by suikoden on Sept 21, 2017 7:29:34 GMT
The fact that TW3 is considered one of the best games of the last ten years, and won basically every award there is to win, should show you how wrong you are... Impossible to be wrong based on purely subjective standards. Fine - than here’s an objective truth - you have an extremely unpopular opinion when it comes to this game. Both when compared against critical, casual (and corporate) viewpoints. But that’s okay. Some people liked Superman 64 too.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 21, 2017 7:41:29 GMT
Impossible to be wrong based on purely subjective standards. Fine - than here’s an objective truth - you have an extremely unpopular opinion when it comes to this game. Both when compared against critical, casual (and corporate) viewpoints. But that’s okay. Some people liked Superman 64 too. I laughed aloud on this one. I like MEA, despite its flaws. I definitely believe that I'm in the minority, though I can't say by how much. Only those with strong feelings either way tend to take to the Internet to share in discussion. There is definitely some strong negative sentiment attached to this game, and seemingly less positive. I'll be curious to see how that changes, if at all, as months turn into years.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 21, 2017 8:18:30 GMT
Fine - than here’s an objective truth - you have an extremely unpopular opinion when it comes to this game. Both when compared against critical, casual (and corporate) viewpoints. But that’s okay. Some people liked Superman 64 too. I laughed aloud on this one. I like MEA, despite its flaws. I definitely believe that I'm in the minority, though I can't say by how much. Only those with strong feelings either way tend to take to the Internet to share in discussion. There is definitely some strong negative sentiment attached to this game, and seemingly less positive. I'll be curious to see how that changes, if at all, as months turn into years. When Mass Effect: Whatever BioWare Calls It is released Mass Effect: Andromeda will be considered the best Mass Effect game ever made. I have seen that trend in any BioWare game, the current version is the worst, but the one just before it is a masterpiece.
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Post by abaris on Sept 21, 2017 10:09:27 GMT
I'll be curious to see how that changes, if at all, as months turn into years. I'm pretty sure, it will be mostly forgotten. Not a total trainwreck, so bad that it achieves cult status. But also nothing remarkable to set any kind of standard. There are so many games noone talks about anymore. The majority of games, actually.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 21, 2017 13:47:13 GMT
So are we back to ignoring the idea that MEA had a lot of problems with it that goes beyond a demo and animations?
Yes, the demo did give a head start for a lot of MEA hate, but even without the demo, gamers would have eventually discovered the shortcomings at launch.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 21, 2017 13:59:52 GMT
So are we back to ignoring the idea that MEA had a lot of problems with it that goes beyond a demo and animations? Yes, the demo did give a head start for a lot of MEA hate, but even without the demo, gamers would have eventually discovered the shortcomings at launch. Sigh Nobody is ignoring them. Some of us just acknowledge that there is more to Andromeda than it's "shortcomings".
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 21, 2017 14:02:45 GMT
Here we go again. What a load of shit. Which of the following is it exactly that you're refuting. 1) That people were saying that the game had to be perfect to overcome the bad feelings ME3 left behind 2) That people were arguing against the premise of leaving the galaxy before the game was released 3) That people who try something believing that they probably won't like it are more likely to find things that they don't like about it ... as for the last... Have to ever tried to convince a child to try something for the first time that a friend of theirs has already told them they probably won't like? I know the media doesn't want to take any "blame" for what happened... but to deny any part in it, they would have to say that they have absolutely no influence on their followers. The game had a strong likelihood of failing to "wow" the public long, long before ti was released... because the premise it was being based on was trashed long before the game was released. I dont speak for everyone but my take on your points are this: 1) I never felt MEA had to be perfect. In fact, I was never angry about the ME3 ending as I found the "Control" ending for me to be a good ending for MEA and thus in my canon run, Control is the ending. In the old BSN I was never bashing the ME3ending. I just wish the endings better represented our Trilogy choices but I was satisfied. 2) I was actually excited to goto Andromeda. Going there felt like I would be able to play Intestellar the videogame so to speak. I was looking forward to going to worlds to be the first MW species to step foot on. I looked forward to doing renegade playthroughs where I can ravish a native species in order to advance the goals of the MW races. I was also looking forward to a MEA trilogy that could top the MET. 3) I actually liked the premise of MEA going in and wasnt forcing myself to like something that I know I wont like. After all that, I played MEA and decided that ultimately it wasnt what I was expecting. A LOT of gamers had the experience that I had. My dislike for MEA didnt come cause of memes or gifs (cause I was hiding in the non spoiler thread) but through organic experiences. Why is this so hard for some here to accept? Was MEA hurt by the memes and gifs? To some extent yes. But is the THE ONLY reason why MEA failed to take off? No. Again, look at GamerMD's response to MEA as proof that there were many longtime Bioware/Mass Effect fans that were excited for MEA but for many (non animation/demo) reasons, just couldnt get into MEA and thus dropped it.
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Post by abaris on Sept 21, 2017 14:17:07 GMT
Again, look at GamerMD's response to MEA as proof that there were many longtime Bioware/Mass Effect fans that were excited for MEA but for many (non animation/demo) reasons, just couldnt get into MEA and thus dropped it. As I said before. Although I actually finished the game, she pretty much sums up my own feelings.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 21, 2017 14:52:06 GMT
Impossible to be wrong based on purely subjective standards. Fine - than here’s an objective truth - you have an extremely unpopular opinion when it comes to this game. Both when compared against critical, casual (and corporate) viewpoints. But that’s okay. Some people liked Superman 64 too. Oh that's funny. But hey at least we played the game and can give a fully formed opinion.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 21, 2017 14:59:06 GMT
Fine - than here’s an objective truth - you have an extremely unpopular opinion when it comes to this game. Both when compared against critical, casual (and corporate) viewpoints. But that’s okay. Some people liked Superman 64 too. Oh that's funny. But hey at least we played the game and can give a fully formed opinion. Come on, now, why set that impossible standard?!
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 21, 2017 15:07:24 GMT
Again, look at GamerMD's response to MEA as proof that there were many longtime Bioware/Mass Effect fans that were excited for MEA but for many (non animation/demo) reasons, just couldnt get into MEA and thus dropped it. As I said before. Although I actually finished the game, she pretty much sums up my own feelings. More so than her summing up your own feelings, she is an example that combats the idea that the only people who disliked MEA were people who from the very beginning were out to get MEA for whatever reasons. People here ignores the fact that many more people such as yourself wanted MEA to succeed but the game just failed to grasp you, GamerMD, myself and MANY others the same way MET did. Why is that so hard to accept? Why are we still looking for other scapegoats to blame for MEA's performance? Yes, the demo and the memes/gifs had a role, the clickbait youtubers had a role, AND the overall quality/ execution of MEA had a role.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 21, 2017 15:14:56 GMT
The Witcher 3 is a far superior game, thus the justified praise. Its bugs were occasional and mildly funny, rather than all-encompassing and ever-present. I love Mass Effect, and enjoy MEA quite a bit. I've likely invested more time in playing this franchise than anyone here other than themikefest . As a dedicated fan of Mass Effect, I can say with absolute honesty that TW3 is superior in nearly every way to MEA. Its bugs were few and far between, and were fixed. I play MEA daily, and daily have to shutdown and restart the game because of bugs. I miss dialogue because of bugs. I endure lag and glitchy gameplay because of bugs. All of this is present in the final version of MEA. It's frustrating. I don't think comparing MEA to TW3 is going to take the debate in the direction you desire. Yes, some people were waiting to attack MEA. The thing is, they'd not have had much of an audience if MEA weren't a train wreck at release. The fault, if it must be laid, is on BioWare. They are the ones who botched the development process and had to release an unfinished game after 5 years. It's a damn fun game, with many great features, in my opinion. It's also a buggy mess even now, and it will ever remain such. People are entitled to hate it. They're even entitled to make disingenuous memes and spew hate in Internet forums. (To be clear, I've not seen that in the parts of this thread that I've read.) I seem to stand in the middle ground with this game. I really like it and play it constantly. I also daily complain to my non-gamer wife about its unfinished, unpolished state. I tell her, "I'm going to go play my buggy game," and she knows which that is. It's okay to complain; and it's okay to let people who hate the game hate it. Theatre not hurting anyone. They are not even hurting the IP, at this point. That ship has sailed. Edit: more than a few typos i just disagree. The Witcher 3 is not the far superior game. On the contrary i think MEA is. On my last PT of MEA i experienced no Major bugs. While my last of witcher i experienced three major bugs. And that's not even talking about the other aspects of the game because frankly only area TW3 Beats MEA on is side quests. Which is quite frustrating because TW3 was one of my favorite games on launch but honestly it seems CDPR broke more then it fixed with its patches. I've completed two full playthroughs of TW3 for around 250(?) hours...one prior to the release the SP DLC/Expansions where I romanced Triss and a 2nd with "Heart of Stone" and "Blood and Wine" where I romanced Yen. I made different choices throughout the two playthroughs, appreciated the world, the animations, the environments, its characters, its treasure hunts, its side quests...and, in the end, 2 playthroughs was enough. There was nothing after those 2 complete PT's that attracted me back to that world, it felt tired and exhausted. The physical disc was traded in over a year ago. There was some definite brilliance to TW3, it deserved all it's accolades, and, again, I appreciated everything it set out to do, but the world, overall, has limited appeal to me. ME:A, on the other hand, has drawn me back in multiple times over the past 6 months and I'm in the middle of my 11(?) playthrough right now. I prefer it...it's just the way it is. People get hung up on "award winning game of the year...". You either enjoyed yourself or you didn't. You either "got it" or you didn't. You can recognized the well crafted world you experienced like TW3 and still acknowledge that, despite the universal stroking it's receiving, in the end its not your "thing". Same thing with movies or TV shows. There have been some award winning movies I've seen once, recognized their positives, and still preferred to see "Big Trouble in Little China" for the Nth time as opposed to a repeat viewing.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 21, 2017 15:56:56 GMT
I like Gamer MD but she's one person, there are plenty of people who enjoy ME:A.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 21, 2017 16:01:13 GMT
So are we back to ignoring the idea that MEA had a lot of problems with it that goes beyond a demo and animations? Yes, the demo did give a head start for a lot of MEA hate, but even without the demo, gamers would have eventually discovered the shortcomings at launch. I don't think everyone is ignoring that. Those flaws are more subjective, though, and not universally agreed upon as flaws. The technical problems are pretty much universally recognized as a problem. I understand that many ME fans don't like this game. That's fine. I wish this had been a game that nearly everyone could like. Others not liking it, though, has no bearing upon my enjoyment. Too many people here on each side of the Like/Dislike divide seem to want justification for their opinion via agreement. What happened to agreeing to disagree? We can have a different view of the game and still have peaceful discussions, no? A big part of the problem is the beating of the dead horse, I think. No opinion, no matter how valid, can be expressed too many times without aggravating someone in the BSN. The opinion that the game is trash is understandably getting old for those who want to discuss something they enjoyed. They could each stick to their respective threads, of course; but even that has not always worked. I don't really comprehend the burning need to convert others to one's own opinion. None of this is targeted at you, so please don't get that impression. As I said, I see it on both sides of the issue everyday, even 6 months after release.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 21, 2017 16:16:35 GMT
I like Gamer MD but she's one person, there are plenty of people who enjoy ME:A. Referencing GamerMD was not to show that everyone disliked MEA cause there are those who like it and those who dont. I referenced her to intefer with the theory that everyone who disliked MEA were a vocal minority and had an agends from the onset to take MEA down cause of SJWs....ME3 ending....and dislike for going to Andromenda. GamerMD is a reference to show that there were STRONG Bioware supporters and ME fans who was looking forward to MEA but due to NON MEME/GIF/DEMO/ANIMATION reasons, did not enjoy MEA. But of course that will be ignored because some still want to use animations and demos as a scapegoat for people not liking MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 16:16:40 GMT
So are we back to ignoring the idea that MEA had a lot of problems with it that goes beyond a demo and animations? Yes, the demo did give a head start for a lot of MEA hate, but even without the demo, gamers would have eventually discovered the shortcomings at launch. I don't think everyone is ignoring that. Those flaws are more subjective, though, and not universally agreed upon as flaws. The technical problems are pretty much universally recognized as a problem. I understand that many ME fans don't like this game. That's fine. I wish this had been a game that nearly everyone could like. Others not liking it, though, has no bearing upon my enjoyment. Too many people here on each side of the Like/Dislike divide seem to want justification for their opinion via agreement. What happened to agreeing to disagree? We can have a different view of the game and still have peaceful discussions, no? A big part of the problem is the beating of the dead horse, I think. No opinion, no matter how valid, can be expressed too many times without aggravating someone in the BSN. The opinion that the game is trash is understandably getting old for those who want to discuss something they enjoyed. They could each stick to their respective threads, of course; but even that has not always worked. I don't really comprehend the burning need to convert others to one's own opinion. None of this is targeted at you, so please don't get that impression. As I said, I see it on both sides of the issue everyday, even 6 months after release.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 21, 2017 16:56:13 GMT
So are we back to ignoring the idea that MEA had a lot of problems with it that goes beyond a demo and animations? Yes, the demo did give a head start for a lot of MEA hate, but even without the demo, gamers would have eventually discovered the shortcomings at launch. I don't think everyone is ignoring that. Those flaws are more subjective, though, and not universally agreed upon as flaws. The technical problems are pretty much universally recognized as a problem. I understand that many ME fans don't like this game. That's fine. I wish this had been a game that nearly everyone could like. Others not liking it, though, has no bearing upon my enjoyment. Too many people here on each side of the Like/Dislike divide seem to want justification for their opinion via agreement. What happened to agreeing to disagree? We can have a different view of the game and still have peaceful discussions, no? A big part of the problem is the beating of the dead horse, I think. No opinion, no matter how valid, can be expressed too many times without aggravating someone in the BSN. The opinion that the game is trash is understandably getting old for those who want to discuss something they enjoyed. They could each stick to their respective threads, of course; but even that has not always worked. I don't really comprehend the burning need to convert others to one's own opinion. None of this is targeted at you, so please don't get that impression. As I said, I see it on both sides of the issue everyday, even 6 months after release. Yeah, it always felt my defense of the game has come implied baggage for some posters that "this game is without flaws" and that's not true. I recognize some of characters are "under-cooked". In ME:A, Drack is my favorite story arc because it is the most complete - he has a solid introduction, he has a logical motivation for joining the team, his support and disagreements for differing actions of the Pathfinder are consistent, and it had a satisfying conclusion if you engaged and completed his companion missions. The other team members? Not so much, in varying degrees. I liked Peebee because she wasn't Liara or Samara but she also wasn't the "anti-Asari Asasri" like Sera from DA:I was an "Anti-Elf Elf". She was different but her character was too much "I tell you" as opposed to "I show you"...instead of saying "I'm a wild-card, a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants unknown quantity" I wanted them to show that through her actions and let the nuance speak for itself. Ans, for F sake, her writer seriously needed to edit out the human idioms ("Water under the bridge", "Lickity-split", etc). Same with Cora. I wanted her resolve to deepen and her inner-strength to be more evident after her companion mission but, apart from her "Eos garden", it was not really developed more fully. I wanted more opportunity to show off her resourcefulness so I could appreciate badass-ness. I wanted Jaal to be more fierce, Gil to more like the character who said "heard you were screaming when you fell on Habitat 7", Suvi or Kallo to join in the action at some point like Joker from ME2, for Liam to do "something" remarkable at all and Lexi to be romanceable, dammit. Yet, despite all of these recognizable flaws, to me, I liked the crew, I like a good portion of the dialogue, I liked the Nomad banter, and I wanted more of them because they had same potential as info dumps like Garrus and Tali were in ME1.
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Post by kino on Sept 21, 2017 17:01:24 GMT
Nah, I don't think the trial was a mistake, I think EA's timing of the trial was a mistake. If they had provided it early enough to address feedback prior to launch it might have made more sense.
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Post by abaris on Sept 21, 2017 18:17:54 GMT
Nah, I don't think the trial was a mistake, I think EA's timing of the trial was a mistake. If they had provided it early enough to address feedback prior to launch it might have made more sense. Then the shitstorm would have raged earlier, damaging the product even more. The whole concept was flawed. They obviously relied on their ghost testers that this was a game deserving of a ranking in the 80ies, or someone at EA though, this would be a good move to promote Origin Access. And yet they were wrong on so many levels. From a professional standpoint this was PR suicide. They made a big secret over the game, not allowing professionals to lay their hands on early review copies, but opened it up to the general public in all it's unpatched glory. The results were as respected.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 21, 2017 19:25:36 GMT
Nah, I don't think the trial was a mistake, I think EA's timing of the trial was a mistake. If they had provided it early enough to address feedback prior to launch it might have made more sense. Then the shitstorm would have raged earlier, damaging the product even more. The whole concept was flawed. They obviously relied on their ghost testers that this was a game deserving of a ranking in the 80ies, or someone at EA though, this would be a good move to promote Origin Access. And yet they were wrong on so many levels. From a professional standpoint this was PR suicide. They made a big secret over the game, not allowing professionals to lay their hands on early review copies, but opened it up to the general public in all it's unpatched glory. The results were as respected. I wonder how this will affect the marketing/PR campaigns for Anthem and DA4?
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Post by kino on Sept 21, 2017 19:51:18 GMT
Nah, I don't think the trial was a mistake, I think EA's timing of the trial was a mistake. If they had provided it early enough to address feedback prior to launch it might have made more sense. Then the shitstorm would have raged earlier, damaging the product even more. The whole concept was flawed. They obviously relied on their ghost testers that this was a game deserving of a ranking in the 80ies, or someone at EA though, this would be a good move to promote Origin Access. And yet they were wrong on so many levels. From a professional standpoint this was PR suicide. They made a big secret over the game, not allowing professionals to lay their hands on early review copies, but opened it up to the general public in all it's unpatched glory. The results were as respected. If the time between an early trial and release had been used to address problems seen in the game it's a shitstorm that could've been handled, particularly if another trial was released after fixing prior to the release. The key would be addressing bugs found by the player base.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2017 20:08:53 GMT
i just disagree. The Witcher 3 is not the far superior game. On the contrary i think MEA is. On my last PT of MEA i experienced no Major bugs. While my last of witcher i experienced three major bugs. And that's not even talking about the other aspects of the game because frankly only area TW3 Beats MEA on is side quests. Which is quite frustrating because TW3 was one of my favorite games on launch but honestly it seems CDPR broke more then it fixed with its patches. I've completed two full playthroughs of TW3 for around 250(?) hours...one prior to the release the SP DLC/Expansions where I romanced Triss and a 2nd with "Heart of Stone" and "Blood and Wine" where I romanced Yen. I made different choices throughout the two playthroughs, appreciated the world, the animations, the environments, its characters, its treasure hunts, its side quests...and, in the end, 2 playthroughs was enough. There was nothing after those 2 complete PT's that attracted me back to that world, it felt tired and exhausted. The physical disc was traded in over a year ago. There was some definite brilliance to TW3, it deserved all it's accolades, and, again, I appreciated everything it set out to do, but the world, overall, has limited appeal to me. ME:A, on the other hand, has drawn me back in multiple times over the past 6 months and I'm in the middle of my 11(?) playthrough right now. I prefer it...it's just the way it is. People get hung up on "award winning game of the year...". You either enjoyed yourself or you didn't. You either "got it" or you didn't. You can recognized the well crafted world you experienced like TW3 and still acknowledge that, despite the universal stroking it's receiving, in the end its not your "thing". Same thing with movies or TV shows. There have been some award winning movies I've seen once, recognized their positives, and still preferred to see "Big Trouble in Little China" for the Nth time as opposed to a repeat viewing. pretty much this. I do really like the game. Just that again...for me...it's confusing where it has many of the same flaws as ANDROMEDA the two games do many of the same things well...and Andromeda manages to do some things much better. And yet one game is trashed and another game is held up as a gold standard.
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