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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 20:23:28 GMT
I've completed two full playthroughs of TW3 for around 250(?) hours...one prior to the release the SP DLC/Expansions where I romanced Triss and a 2nd with "Heart of Stone" and "Blood and Wine" where I romanced Yen. I made different choices throughout the two playthroughs, appreciated the world, the animations, the environments, its characters, its treasure hunts, its side quests...and, in the end, 2 playthroughs was enough. There was nothing after those 2 complete PT's that attracted me back to that world, it felt tired and exhausted. The physical disc was traded in over a year ago. There was some definite brilliance to TW3, it deserved all it's accolades, and, again, I appreciated everything it set out to do, but the world, overall, has limited appeal to me. ME:A, on the other hand, has drawn me back in multiple times over the past 6 months and I'm in the middle of my 11(?) playthrough right now. I prefer it...it's just the way it is. People get hung up on "award winning game of the year...". You either enjoyed yourself or you didn't. You either "got it" or you didn't. You can recognized the well crafted world you experienced like TW3 and still acknowledge that, despite the universal stroking it's receiving, in the end its not your "thing". Same thing with movies or TV shows. There have been some award winning movies I've seen once, recognized their positives, and still preferred to see "Big Trouble in Little China" for the Nth time as opposed to a repeat viewing. pretty much this. I do really like the game. Just that again...for me...it's confusing where it has many of the same flaws as ANDROMEDA the two games do many of the same things well...and Andromeda manages to do some things much better. And yet one game is trashed and another game is held up as a gold standard. Other than combat what does Andromeda do much better than TW3? I honestly can't come up with another example. I personally couldn't give TW3 a 10/10 based off the combat and inventory system but the story, side quest, animations and graphics were amazing. The entire game felt organic. My wife who couldn't care less about games was amazed at how real it looked. Even though I liked ME:A enough to finish it I never had that feeling like when I played TW3. The bold part feels like you're hinting at some type of conspiracy so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2017 20:27:25 GMT
pretty much this. I do really like the game. Just that again...for me...it's confusing where it has many of the same flaws as ANDROMEDA the two games do many of the same things well...and Andromeda manages to do some things much better. And yet one game is trashed and another game is held up as a gold standard. Other than combat what does Andromeda do much better than TW3? I honestly can't come up with another example. I personally couldn't give TW3 a 10/10 based off the combat and inventory system but the story, side quest, animations and graphics were amazing. The entire game felt organic. My wife who couldn't care less about games was amazed at how real it looked. Even though I liked ME:A enough to finish it I never had that feeling like when I played TW3. The bold part feels like you're hinting at some type of conspiracy so I'll leave it at that. no conspiracy. And to answer your question. RP elements and character writing. Honestly gameplay is one of the things I'd consider a virtual tie.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 21, 2017 20:29:57 GMT
The other team members? Not so much, in varying degrees. I liked Peebee because she wasn't Liara or Samara but she also wasn't the "anti-Asari Asasri" like Sera from DA:I was an "Anti-Elf Elf". She was different but her character was too much "I tell you" as opposed to "I show you"...instead of saying "I'm a wild-card, a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants unknown quantity" I wanted them to show that through her actions and let the nuance speak for itself. Jettisoning herself and Ryder in an escape pod with no extraction plan wasn't Peebeeish enough for you? Probably should have happened earlier in her plotline, though. Liam demonstrates a similarly stellar grasp of operational planning. Oddly enough, he's perfectly fine at planning a soccer game, or a date.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 20:34:28 GMT
Other than combat what does Andromeda do much better than TW3? I honestly can't come up with another example. I personally couldn't give TW3 a 10/10 based off the combat and inventory system but the story, side quest, animations and graphics were amazing. The entire game felt organic. My wife who couldn't care less about games was amazed at how real it looked. Even though I liked ME:A enough to finish it I never had that feeling like when I played TW3. The bold part feels like you're hinting at some type of conspiracy so I'll leave it at that. no conspiracy. And to answer your question. RP elements and character writing. Honestly gameplay is one of the things I'd consider a virtual tie. Maybe pertaining to "Character Creation vs Set Model" but given that Ryder's back story is already set it's almost a moot point. The only real difference here is staring at either a face you created or Geralt's. As for character writing that's your opinion and I can respect that but I just don't see it.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 21, 2017 21:07:32 GMT
The other team members? Not so much, in varying degrees. I liked Peebee because she wasn't Liara or Samara but she also wasn't the "anti-Asari Asasri" like Sera from DA:I was an "Anti-Elf Elf". She was different but her character was too much "I tell you" as opposed to "I show you"...instead of saying "I'm a wild-card, a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants unknown quantity" I wanted them to show that through her actions and let the nuance speak for itself. Jettisoning herself and Ryder in an escape pod with no extraction plan wasn't Peebeeish enough for you? Probably should have happened earlier in her plotline, though. Liam demonstrates a similarly stellar grasp of operational planning. Oddly enough, he's perfectly fine at planning a soccer game, or a date. Don't know if that would be considered "Peebee-ish as much as irresponsibly impulsive which, to me, doesn't necessarily define her character although I can see how some might see that based on what her writer was attempting to do with her. She's supposed to be a brilliant, but "damaged" (due to Kelinda), scientist with the courage to strike out on her own to study the remnant technology on Eos but she never struck me as suicidal nor as someone who would put anyone but herself in immediate danger. I enjoyed the mission, as I did most companion missions, due to mission structure, but, to me, it was a missed opportunity for her character. Her relationship with Kelinda is what defined her character's faults and insecurities at the beginning of your association with her and, while the mission resolved the relationship in a way, it did so cheaply. I never understood why the writer did not use this as an opportunity for Peebee to turn the tables on Kelinda. Peebee should have used the knowledge that Kelinda would "bug" her equipment to track her movements to draw her to the planet knowing that Kelinda has a spacecraft that could land and take off which is something the Tempest was not able to do. The end, in this case, would be that Peebee would fly away in Kelinda's shuttle with a key piece of remnant tech that would be essential for Ryder and team, while leaving Kelinda alone, abandoned on the planet; you could even make a it a choice for Peebee to either alert a rescue party for Kelinda or "harden" her character by leaving her to die there. Peebee was a character arc left incomplete. As for Liam, he needed a "moment"...something that defined him and gave you insight into his potential as a dependable crew member and a potential leader. Instead, it was keystone cops. and even his companion mission, which was a blast, emphasized his ineptness. He really needed one more mission...one where he could show some growth, some leadership, some tactical ability so our last memory of him wasn't meekly apologizing for his ill thought out rescue attempt.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 21, 2017 21:51:15 GMT
no conspiracy. And to answer your question. RP elements and character writing. Honestly gameplay is one of the things I'd consider a virtual tie. Maybe pertaining to "Character Creation vs Set Model" but given that Ryder's back story is already set it's almost a moot point. The only real difference here is staring at either a face you created or Geralt's. As for character writing that's your opinion and I can respect that but I just don't see it. As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 21:55:55 GMT
Maybe pertaining to "Character Creation vs Set Model" but given that Ryder's back story is already set it's almost a moot point. The only real difference here is staring at either a face you created or Geralt's. As for character writing that's your opinion and I can respect that but I just don't see it. As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic. I agree with you in that aspect but he's more comparing RP and character writing as opposed to over all story elements. Comparing the story directly is kinda hard, where as comparing the 2 mentioned isn't. It all still all boils down to opinion...
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 21, 2017 22:20:28 GMT
As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic. I agree with you in that aspect but he's more comparing RP and character writing as opposed to over all story elements. Comparing the story directly is kinda hard, where as comparing the 2 mentioned isn't. It all still all boils down to opinion... Ah well it that case it is easier to RP in Andromeda. You aren't set to a specific character. Geralt is set in stone. You can alter his personality a tad but not much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 22:34:17 GMT
I agree with you in that aspect but he's more comparing RP and character writing as opposed to over all story elements. Comparing the story directly is kinda hard, where as comparing the 2 mentioned isn't. It all still all boils down to opinion... Ah well it that case it is easier to RP in Andromeda. You aren't set to a specific character. Geralt is set in stone. You can alter his personality a tad but not much. But that actually applies to Ryder as well. His/Her background is already preset. The only thing that's different is the face you stair at.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 21, 2017 22:36:16 GMT
I agree with you in that aspect but he's more comparing RP and character writing as opposed to over all story elements. Comparing the story directly is kinda hard, where as comparing the 2 mentioned isn't. It all still all boils down to opinion... Ah well it that case it is easier to RP in Andromeda. You aren't set to a specific character. Geralt is set in stone. You can alter his personality a tad but not much. But at the same time, you can play Andromeda once and then replay it again making opposite choices from your first playthrough and nothing significant is really going to change. Whereas in the Witcher 3, if you replay the game making opposite choices from your first game your epilogue is going to be drastically different. Everything down to your relationship with major characters, including the central one. That's assuming said characters are even still alive after you change your choices. You have less influence over shaping your character, but you have more influence over shaping your story.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 21, 2017 23:06:22 GMT
Ah well it that case it is easier to RP in Andromeda. You aren't set to a specific character. Geralt is set in stone. You can alter his personality a tad but not much. But that actually applies to Ryder as well. His/Her background is already preset. The only thing that's different is the face you stair at. Yeah I disagree. You can alter their personality and you can make decisions that impact the game.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2017 23:09:38 GMT
no conspiracy. And to answer your question. RP elements and character writing. Honestly gameplay is one of the things I'd consider a virtual tie. Maybe pertaining to "Character Creation vs Set Model" but given that Ryder's back story is already set it's almost a moot point. The only real difference here is staring at either a face you created or Geralt's. As for character writing that's your opinion and I can respect that but I just don't see it. RPing is the measure of how much control you have of a player Character during a game. As such a characters backstory does not enter into.it. and you.have far more control of Ryder then Geralt.
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Post by SofNascimento on Sept 22, 2017 0:31:05 GMT
No, the mistake is Andromeda itself. Everything else is just a consequence.
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Post by suikoden on Sept 22, 2017 1:21:02 GMT
Maybe pertaining to "Character Creation vs Set Model" but given that Ryder's back story is already set it's almost a moot point. The only real difference here is staring at either a face you created or Geralt's. As for character writing that's your opinion and I can respect that but I just don't see it. As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic. *sci-fi sitcom you mean. There’s nothing epic about Andromeda.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 22, 2017 1:32:29 GMT
As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic. *sci-fi sitcom you mean. There’s nothing epic about Andromeda. At least what you could gather by skimming through YouTube videos...
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 22, 2017 2:01:31 GMT
Maybe pertaining to "Character Creation vs Set Model" but given that Ryder's back story is already set it's almost a moot point. The only real difference here is staring at either a face you created or Geralt's. As for character writing that's your opinion and I can respect that but I just don't see it. As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic. Were you triggered by the graphic sexuality of TW3?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 2:37:18 GMT
Maybe pertaining to "Character Creation vs Set Model" but given that Ryder's back story is already set it's almost a moot point. The only real difference here is staring at either a face you created or Geralt's. As for character writing that's your opinion and I can respect that but I just don't see it. RPing is the measure of how much control you have of a player Character during a game. As such a characters backstory does not enter into.it. and you.have far more control of Ryder then Geralt. I really believe you're trolling me at this point or you've never played TW3. When it comes to having more control Geralt is by FAR superior in that regard. There are sooooo many more ways that Geralt can be played than Ryder could ever hope to be. Im no fanboy but come on...The amount of choices (Good, Bad or Neutral) makes the over all RPing aspect far better. And since when has a back story never been apart of RPing? You're kidding right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 2:39:02 GMT
But that actually applies to Ryder as well. His/Her background is already preset. The only thing that's different is the face you stair at. Yeah I disagree. You can alter their personality and you can make decisions that impact the game. And you can't do that with Geralt? Really? Again...the only difference here is what face you stare at the whole game.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 22, 2017 2:41:46 GMT
As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic. Were you triggered by the graphic sexuality of TW3? It's more of him giving his personal observation rather than him being bothered.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 22, 2017 2:44:09 GMT
As someone who's played both I gotta play devil's advocate. The quality of writing while good in both games he'll great even cannot be compared to each other. One is a dark fantasy with graphic sexuality, the other is a sci fi epic. Were you triggered by the graphic sexuality of TW3? If you're going to quote me you need to do something first. 1. Read what you are quoting. 2. Re read it. 3. Understand it before responding and sounding like an ass. I never said once that I was triggered, bothered, disturbed etc.. I was stating the difference between the two.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 22, 2017 2:45:09 GMT
Yeah I disagree. You can alter their personality and you can make decisions that impact the game. And you can't do that with Geralt? Really? Again...the only difference here is what face you stare at the whole game. I may hav mis understood your post. I thought you were claiming you couldn't do that in MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 2:50:54 GMT
And you can't do that with Geralt? Really? Again...the only difference here is what face you stare at the whole game. I may hav mis understood your post. I thought you were claiming you couldn't do that in MEA.Not at all. I was merely commenting on the fact that Ryder (Just like Geralt) already has a predefined back story. The initial RP difference between the 2 is pretty much moot.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 22, 2017 3:25:19 GMT
Were you triggered by the graphic sexuality of TW3? It's more of him giving his personal observation rather than him being bothered. Ok just checking. Cause I know a lot of people were triggered.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 22, 2017 3:31:06 GMT
Isn't that a wash anyway? If you're triggered by TW3 you'll be triggered by some of the ME:A scenes too.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 22, 2017 3:35:12 GMT
Isn't that a wash anyway? If you're triggered by TW3 you'll be triggered by some of the ME:A scenes too. TW3 had more nudity. But then again, the target audience for TW3 were adult males. Not saying that is a bad thing, but there is a reason why TW3 is so well respected in the industry.
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