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Post by Andrew Lucas on Sept 20, 2017 17:24:07 GMT
EA got to cash even more over an unfinished and broken game that reviewed poorly so I doubt it was a mistake for then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 17:39:34 GMT
An actual argument there would be nice. I and others far more eloquent than myself have repeatedly pointed out that the line of reasoning used above (It's a conspiracy! It's the fans' fault! It's all about ME3!) is a fantasy. Eventually you just have to call it what it is. And yes, I've got two girls who will try pretty much anything as long as I try it first. Of course, if I feed them crap they're not shy about telling me. You really don't read do you? This is not even really worth responding to at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 18:18:13 GMT
I and others far more eloquent than myself have repeatedly pointed out that the line of reasoning used above (It's a conspiracy! It's the fans' fault! It's all about ME3!) is a fantasy. Eventually you just have to call it what it is. And yes, I've got two girls who will try pretty much anything as long as I try it first. Of course, if I feed them crap they're not shy about telling me. Was the game perfect? No it had issues, issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail. I don't know if you can still go to the old BSN an read the archived posts but if you can it will be illuminating. So you're agreeing that the majority of fans thought that it was mediocre? A minority isn't going to topple a game like this. Is it so hard to believe that most people just didn't like a game that you love? I think that applies to most of the people on here still blaming the fans for ME:A lukewarm reception. They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others. Every game has issues that are overblown in the gaming industry and do just fine. It's only the ones that are actually mediocre to bad that feel the full wrath of both fans and critics alike.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2017 18:36:01 GMT
Was the game perfect? No it had issues, issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail. I don't know if you can still go to the old BSN an read the archived posts but if you can it will be illuminating. So you're agreeing that the majority of fans thought that it was mediocre? A minority isn't going to topple a game like this. Is it so hard to believe that most people just didn't like a game that you love? I think that applies to most of the people on here still blaming the fans for ME:A lukewarm reception. They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others. Every game has issues that are overblown in the gaming industry and do just fine. It's only the ones that are actually mediocre to bad that feel the full wrath of both fans and critics alike. No I'm not. The simple fact Andromeda exists proves my point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 18:43:12 GMT
Was the game perfect? No it had issues, issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail. I don't know if you can still go to the old BSN an read the archived posts but if you can it will be illuminating. So you're agreeing that the majority of fans thought that it was mediocre? A minority isn't going to topple a game like this. Is it so hard to believe that most people just didn't like a game that you love? I think that applies to most of the people on here still blaming the fans for ME:A lukewarm reception. They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others. Every game has issues that are overblown in the gaming industry and do just fine. It's only the ones that are actually mediocre to bad that feel the full wrath of both fans and critics alike. I'm sorry, but you're the ones with the hang up here. Why is it so important for you to force people who have really just honestly said they themselves liked this game to "admit that the majority of fans thought it was mediocre"... especially when they have repeatedly acknowledged that not everyone likes the game in other post and said that they have no problem with people disliking the game itself? People here are merely saying the game was rated lower than it deserved. That's not saying it deserved a 9. So, what is YOUR problem?
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Post by cypherj on Sept 20, 2017 18:51:51 GMT
So you're agreeing that the majority of fans thought that it was mediocre? A minority isn't going to topple a game like this. Is it so hard to believe that most people just didn't like a game that you love? I think that applies to most of the people on here still blaming the fans for ME:A lukewarm reception. They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others. Every game has issues that are overblown in the gaming industry and do just fine. It's only the ones that are actually mediocre to bad that feel the full wrath of both fans and critics alike. I'm sorry, but you're the ones with the hang up here. Why is it so important for you to force people who have really just honestly said they themselves liked this game to "admit that the majority of fans thought it was mediocre"... especially when they have repeatedly acknowledged that not everyone likes the game in other post and said that they have no problem with people disliking the game itself? People here are merely saying the game was rated lower than it deserved. That's not saying it deserved a 9. So, what is YOUR problem? But that's not what people say most of time. A lot of posts say yeah the game had issues, but they follow it with they were exaggerated, they were overblown, or something along those lines when in truth a lot of people just had legitimate issues with the game. They weren't exaggerating anything, or blowing anything out of proportion, they just didn't like it.
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Post by suikoden on Sept 20, 2017 18:54:59 GMT
So you're agreeing that the majority of fans thought that it was mediocre? A minority isn't going to topple a game like this. Is it so hard to believe that most people just didn't like a game that you love? I think that applies to most of the people on here still blaming the fans for ME:A lukewarm reception. They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others. Every game has issues that are overblown in the gaming industry and do just fine. It's only the ones that are actually mediocre to bad that feel the full wrath of both fans and critics alike. I'm sorry, but you're the ones with the hang up here. Why is it so important for you to force people who have really just honestly said they themselves liked this game to "admit that the majority of fans thought it was mediocre"... especially when they have repeatedly acknowledged that not everyone likes the game in other post and said that they have no problem with people disliking the game itself? People here are merely saying the game was rated lower than it deserved. That's not saying it deserved a 9. So, what is YOUR problem? But its averaging a 70% on metacritic, that’s actually higher than it deserved. It’d be a 55-60% if it couldn’t ride on the trilogy’s legacy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 18:56:45 GMT
So you're agreeing that the majority of fans thought that it was mediocre? A minority isn't going to topple a game like this. Is it so hard to believe that most people just didn't like a game that you love? I think that applies to most of the people on here still blaming the fans for ME:A lukewarm reception. They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others. Every game has issues that are overblown in the gaming industry and do just fine. It's only the ones that are actually mediocre to bad that feel the full wrath of both fans and critics alike. I'm sorry, but you're the ones with the hang up here. Why is it so important for you to force people who have really just honestly said they themselves liked this game to "admit that the majority of fans thought it was mediocre"... especially when they have repeatedly acknowledged that not everyone likes the game in other post and said that they have no problem with people disliking the game itself?People here are merely saying the game was rated lower than it deserved. That's not saying it deserved a 9. So, what is YOUR problem? I have no problem. I liked the game enough to do a full play through actually. Just tired of the same BS of blaming everything but the game for its poor reception. I have no hang ups at all buddy. Lets do it this way... We know from extrapolation (based on other games) that ME:A did somewhere in the 3.5mil range for sales. We can assume that most of these sales were from pre-orders based on yours (and others) arguments that the meme machine caused it to have worse sales than it should have. The problem with this is we can also assume that ME3's ending couldn't have hurt sales that bad based off of the 3.5mil figure which is pretty damn good but nothing close to the 6-9mil that was projected. ME3 and the memes had very little to do with ME:A's downfall. You can lay that blame on both/either EA and Bioware. Yet he keeps making the same tired tripe of blaming the fans per the bold.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 18:59:20 GMT
So you're agreeing that the majority of fans thought that it was mediocre? A minority isn't going to topple a game like this. Is it so hard to believe that most people just didn't like a game that you love? I think that applies to most of the people on here still blaming the fans for ME:A lukewarm reception. They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others. Every game has issues that are overblown in the gaming industry and do just fine. It's only the ones that are actually mediocre to bad that feel the full wrath of both fans and critics alike. No I'm not. The simple fact Andromeda exists proves my point. How in the hell does this even remotely apply to what I just said? Please elaborate...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
I'm sorry, but you're the ones with the hang up here. Why is it so important for you to force people who have really just honestly said they themselves liked this game to "admit that the majority of fans thought it was mediocre"... especially when they have repeatedly acknowledged that not everyone likes the game in other post and said that they have no problem with people disliking the game itself? People here are merely saying the game was rated lower than it deserved. That's not saying it deserved a 9. So, what is YOUR problem? But that's not what people say most of time. A lot of posts say yeah the game had issues, but they follow it with they were exaggerated, they were overblown, or something along those lines when in truth a lot of people just had legitimate issues with the game. They weren't exaggerating anything, or blowing anything out of proportion, they just didn't like it. The person to which Endless was replying has said it numerous times... as have I... as has colfoley... as have a host of others here. The memes WERE overblown... the eye problems artificially exaggerated in many of them. The game was heavily metabombed with 0's minutes after the site opened... that's not a logical or measured reaction to it... that is internet sensationalism. It did occur... denying that it happened is no more logical than anyone saying the game is perfect... so, stop trying to pretend that it is. The game was being attacked for it's premise long before release in the media and on the old BSN. That's a fact. Many people on the old BSN did indicate that the game would have to be nearly perfect to meet a good reception... they were right... and the game was not perfect. It's not a conspiracy... it's not "blaming" the fans... it's acknowledging that all of that had an impact... that it was Bioware's need to overcome... and they didn't/couldn't. Part of the reason why is that they did not take the "right" steps to overcome it. They showed the media in the invitational preview session a product that would not even run flawlessly on Bioware's own systems... after that mistake, it was all downhill.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 20, 2017 19:18:52 GMT
But that's not what people say most of time. A lot of posts say yeah the game had issues, but they follow it with they were exaggerated, they were overblown, or something along those lines when in truth a lot of people just had legitimate issues with the game. They weren't exaggerating anything, or blowing anything out of proportion, they just didn't like it. The person to which Endless was replying has said it numerous times. The person Endless was replying to said "Was the game perfect? No it had issues, issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail."
This kind of statement doesn't exactly respect other people's legitimate issues. It comes off as saying I thought the game did things well, if you didn't you're blowing small issues out of proportion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 19:25:58 GMT
But that's not what people say most of time. A lot of posts say yeah the game had issues, but they follow it with they were exaggerated, they were overblown, or something along those lines when in truth a lot of people just had legitimate issues with the game. They weren't exaggerating anything, or blowing anything out of proportion, they just didn't like it. The person to which Endless was replying has said it numerous times. Since you're using my name and you're too damn lazy to look back a couple post I'll do it for you... Yeah... He's just being passive/aggressive. You can look back at the vast majority of his post to see who he blames for ME:A's situation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 19:28:08 GMT
The person to which Endless was replying has said it numerous times. The person Endless was replying to said "Was the game perfect? No it had issues, issues that were overblown thanks to the people who were determined to see it fail."
This kind of statement doesn't exactly respect other people's legitimate issues. It comes off as saying I thought the game did things well, if you didn't you're blowing small issues out of proportion. I'm sorry... but I don't see how that statement fails to respect anyone. The reply fails to respect people because it attacks them personally - assessing their psyche: "They can't get over something they like isn't loved by others." There were people on the old BSN who did say outright that they wanted ME:A to fail. I remember one replying directly to me that they intended to be a thorn in Bioware's side forever because they felt betrayed by the ME3 endngs. The old BSN is closed down now, but I think much of the side was transferred to an archive. The statements, therefore, can possibly can be verified. The poster did not say those people were in the majority. They aren't the majority... but they did exist. There were also people who wanted to see Manveer Heir fired. There are people who wanted to see Mac Walters fired. It all adds up... not to a conspiracy... but to a negative impact that Bioware should have seen coming.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2017 20:17:48 GMT
I really think people throw around the term conspiracy theory to delegitimize opposing arguments...
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Post by cypherj on Sept 20, 2017 20:33:54 GMT
I really think people throw around the term conspiracy theory to delegitimize opposing arguments... Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 20, 2017 20:47:08 GMT
I really think people throw around the term conspiracy theory to delegitimize opposing arguments... Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated. probably. But the issue becomes different things matter to different people.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2017 20:48:36 GMT
I really think people throw around the term conspiracy theory to delegitimize opposing arguments... Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated. Except some were. Animations? Check they were bad at launch. Bad enough to trash the game the way it was? Nope even glitches like this in the OT did not cause this kind of uproar. Quest bugs? Yes it happened and was fixed. Again overblown. Wanting it to fail? Also check. Plenty of evidence of that long begins launch. I have no issue with legitimate gripes but the fact is there are plenty that aren't.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 20, 2017 20:50:51 GMT
Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated. probably. But the issue becomes different things matter to different people. Exactly, so no matter how someone tries to explain saying people exaggerated things, or things were overblown, at the end of the day it boils down to someone telling someone else how much something should have bothered them or affected their ability to enjoy the game. That's why I have an issue with those types of statements.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:51:13 GMT
I really think people throw around the term conspiracy theory to delegitimize opposing arguments... Still, it doesn't change any of the facts - ME:A did release to an environment that was already overtly negative and very unforgiving. It should have been clear to them that a "normal" trial with a less than perfect game just wasn't going to work well. Therefore, I'm voting that the trial was indeed a mistake. While EA probably did make money from people joining EA Access, they no doubt will lose that money in the future as people quit the service.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:54:52 GMT
I really think people throw around the term conspiracy theory to delegitimize opposing arguments... Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated. What do you say is the purpose of a meme that puts googly eyes over the actual eyes in the game if not to exaggerate the issue? What would you say the purpose of saying the CC is lacking by making a video generating the most hideous of characters if not to overblow the actual issue? Come on - the issues were sensationalized by the media... overblown, exaggerated. It's what they do. It's not balanced reporting or merely presenting facts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:09:00 GMT
Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated. What do you say is the purpose of a meme that puts googly eyes over the actual eyes in the game if not to exaggerate the issue? What would you say the purpose of saying the CC is lacking by making a video generating the most hideous of characters is not to overblow the actual issue? Come on - the issues were sensationalized by the media... overblown, exaggerated. It's what they do. It's not balanced reporting or merely presenting facts. Curious to see how you would feel about a game like "The Technomancer" which experienced the same type of bugs, animation and story related issues that ME'A had. It's very much a Bioware light. That game was given an average of 65/100. I wonder if you would consider all those problems overblown? I'm legitimately curious.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 20, 2017 21:11:40 GMT
Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated. What do you say is the purpose of a meme that puts googly eyes over the actual eyes in the game if not to exaggerate the issue? What would you say the purpose of saying the CC is lacking by making a video generating the most hideous of characters is not to overblow the actual issue? Come on - the issues were sensationalized by the media... overblown, exaggerated. It's what they do. It's not balanced reporting or merely presenting facts. That's called making fun of something, like if I made a meme out of the Krogan fight scene. I'm sure people that liked the game made fun of some of the stuff. Exaggerating things would be someone taking something that didn't really bother them and making a huge deal out of it just for the sake of complaining. So whenever someone makes a blanket statement about how things were overblown, exaggerated, etc, you're telling people who had legitimate complaints about things that really bothered them they fall into this category.
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Post by goishen on Sept 20, 2017 21:18:58 GMT
I had zero problems with the Technomancer. The pretty solid one for me, at least, was the writing didn't blow chunks. "Yah, that seems pretty good." "PRETTY GOOD ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!"
WTF?
To the OP, yah, that's it. Keep shifting the blame to EA, around to everyone except where it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:26:18 GMT
Kind of like saying issues with the game were overblown or exaggerated. Except some were. Animations? Check they were bad at launch. Bad enough to trash the game the way it was? Nope even glitches like this in the OT did not cause this kind of uproar. Quest bugs? Yes it happened and was fixed. Again overblown. Wanting it to fail? Also check. Plenty of evidence of that long begins launch. I have no issue with legitimate gripes but the fact is there are plenty that aren't. Bioware felt the need to fix the animations so pretty easily not overblown. Check If a quest is bugged BEFORE the fix then it can't be overblown (If you still consider it a problem AFTER the fix then sure but nobody is) . Self Explanatory. Check Wanting it to fail...We both know where this is going. Your buddy UpUpAwayRedux2 may not see it but we both know...Check
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:33:27 GMT
What do you say is the purpose of a meme that puts googly eyes over the actual eyes in the game if not to exaggerate the issue? What would you say the purpose of saying the CC is lacking by making a video generating the most hideous of characters is not to overblow the actual issue? Come on - the issues were sensationalized by the media... overblown, exaggerated. It's what they do. It's not balanced reporting or merely presenting facts. That's called making fun of something, like if I made a meme out of the Krogan fight scene. I'm sure people that liked the game made fun of some of the stuff. Exaggerating things would be someone taking something that didn't really bother them and making a huge deal out of it just for the sake of complaining. So whenever someone makes a blanket statement about how things were overblown, exaggerated, etc, you're telling people who had legitimate complaints about things that really bothered them they fall into this category. Stick to the question - Are they not being exaggerated? When someone says the issues were exaggerated, then - aren't they telling the truth? Unlike you, I'm not ascribing a motive to any of it. Does someone looking at those particular videos get an accurate picture of the issues or not? Now, let's add in another fact... That, upon looking for informational videos on ME:A like, say, one showing the secrets of the Eos vault and, if not johnny on the spot in shutting down that video, I automatically get connected to one of the "Why Andromeda was such a disaster" videos, complete with googly eyes... are my desires to just receive factual information on the game being respected by the media... or are they shoving their opinions down my throat at every opportunity just to inflate the views of those videos? Is this also not a form of exaggerating the issues? BTW, that sort of automatic connection to an opinion piece like that happens 100% of the time.... never am I automatically connected to, say, the secrets of the Kadara vault... which, I think, would be something I would more logically be interested in seeing right after searching for the secrets of the Eos vault.
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