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Post by Element Zero on Sept 22, 2017 6:14:34 GMT
I don't see Ryder getting any of the options you list. In my experience, it's "goofy" vs "extra goofy", with a side of "passive" vs "doormat". Many of us don't play these games, especially Mass Effect, in order to decide how friendly to be with NPCs. We want to make meaningful decisions, large and small, that shape the setting. The writers seemed to actively avoid the type of decisions and consequences that made the OT so unique and beloved. I'm not sure if they were intimidated by the myriad possible permutations. Maybe they didn't want to have to write thousands of lines of "if X, then Y" dialogue that many will never experience. Maybe they feared the end result of ME3: unrealized fan expectations as to decisions-> consequences. Whatever the reason, it left the game bereft of that special Mass Effect quality. another thing we disagree on. It's always fascinating to me how different human perspective can be on the same event, experience, game, etc... It keeps things interesting, and hopefully makes us keep examining and reexamining. |
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Post by suikoden on Sept 22, 2017 9:03:18 GMT
Oh, does it revert from being a sitcom after the first ten hours? No? Alright then. It’s called a trial for a reason. Do you buy every car you test drive so you can gather a complete opinion about it? You wouldn't know if it did or not so you're opinion on the game is meaningless... If you take a bite of an apple and that first bite is rotten do you eat the rest of the apple to form a complete opinion? |
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Post by suikoden on Sept 22, 2017 9:04:41 GMT
It really does get significantly better after those first 10 hours. I don't say that to sell you on it, though; nor to claim it's problem free from then onward. I have no idea how or why they ended up backloading the game's quality content. Badly managed dev cycle sums it up, I imagine. to be fair though most RPGs have really weak...let's say...first ten percent of their gameplay. Only real exceptions are DA 2 and ME 3. This just shows how few RPGs you’ve actually played... if anything, it better explains why you love Andromeda. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 22, 2017 9:15:52 GMT
to be fair though most RPGs have really weak...let's say...first ten percent of their gameplay. Only real exceptions are DA 2 and ME 3. This just shows how few RPGs you’ve actually played... if anything, it better explains why you love Andromeda. TW 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4, All four Mass Effect games, all four DA games (  ), Kingdoms of Avalur, |
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Post by suikoden on Sept 22, 2017 9:19:50 GMT
This just shows how few RPGs you’ve actually played... if anything, it better explains why you love Andromeda. TW 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4, All four Mass Effect games, all four DA games ( ), Kingdoms of Avalur, That’s nothing... |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 22, 2017 9:26:48 GMT
TW 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4, All four Mass Effect games, all four DA games ( ), Kingdoms of Avalur, That’s nothing... We should keep the list going, then. I'll play the first couple of levels of any D&D-based game. D20 too, so KOtOR makes the list. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 22, 2017 10:46:21 GMT
*sci-fi sitcom you mean. There’s nothing epic about Andromeda. At least what you could gather by skimming through YouTube videos... Indeed there we re still some great moments in MEA |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 22, 2017 10:55:09 GMT
Oh, does it revert from being a sitcom after the first ten hours? No? Alright then. It’s called a trial for a reason. Do you buy every car you test drive so you can gather a complete opinion about it? It really does get significantly better after those first 10 hours. I don't say that to sell you on it, though; nor to claim it's problem free from then onward. I have no idea how or why they ended up backloading the game's quality content. Badly managed dev cycle sums it up, I imagine. Exactly it's a slow burner at the start but then so was DAI but the games do get better the further you get into them. |
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Post by vonuber on Sept 22, 2017 13:11:17 GMT
It's funny really, I've spent more time in DA:I than I have Witcher 3 (having played the first 2).
I wonder why; on paper I should love the game but it just leaves me cold. The only thing that has changed for me personally from W2 to W3 is having two daughters be born. Maybe it means I've had enough of the gruff manly man chisel jawed woman magnet mcgruffathon so beloved of teenage boys? Who knows.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 22, 2017 13:12:08 GMT
People who think Geralt is a Mary Sue seem to forget that its perfectly possible to end the game with no friends or loved ones left and spend the rest of his life walking the path alone. Which ties back to how the decisions you make in the game actually affects the ending. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 13:13:16 GMT
We should keep the list going, then. I'll play the first couple of levels of any D&D-based game. D20 too, so KOtOR makes the list. Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen. They really did magic the right way in that game. |
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 22, 2017 13:20:59 GMT
It's funny really, I've spent more time in DA:I than I have Witcher 3 (having played the first 2). I wonder why; on paper I should love the game but it just leaves me cold. The only thing that has changed for me personally from W2 to W3 is having two daughters be born. Maybe it means I've had enough of the gruff manly man chisel jawed woman magnet mcgruffathon so beloved of teenage boys? Who knows. People on the BSN always bring up Geralt's sexual exploits, but that stuff is entirely player-driven. I really don't get the thought process; especially given BioWare's disturbing emphasis on (obsession with) relationships and sex. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 13:36:40 GMT
It's funny really, I've spent more time in DA:I than I have Witcher 3 (having played the first 2). I wonder why; on paper I should love the game but it just leaves me cold. The only thing that has changed for me personally from W2 to W3 is having two daughters be born. Maybe it means I've had enough of the gruff manly man chisel jawed woman magnet mcgruffathon so beloved of teenage boys? Who knows. My biggest problem with TW3 was its combat. I just never liked it throughout the series. But DAMN, those graphics and animations were just insane. I had a moment when I was exploring around in one of the colder regions with the wind blowing , grass swaying and just sat back and took a second to take it all in. Just about that time my air conditioner kicked on and the cold air made me feel (for a brief second) like I was actually experiencing the moment. That shit has never happened in my 40 years of gaming life. Even my wife who couldn't care less about gaming was amazed at how real it looked. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 22, 2017 13:59:04 GMT
It's funny really, I've spent more time in DA:I than I have Witcher 3 (having played the first 2). I wonder why; on paper I should love the game but it just leaves me cold. The only thing that has changed for me personally from W2 to W3 is having two daughters be born. Maybe it means I've had enough of the gruff manly man chisel jawed woman magnet mcgruffathon so beloved of teenage boys? Who knows. People on the BSN always bring up Geralt's sexual exploits, but that stuff is entirely player-driven. I really don't get the thought process; especially given BioWare's disturbing emphasis on (obsession with) relationships and sex. Preach |
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Post by vonuber on Sept 22, 2017 14:11:44 GMT
People on the BSN always bring up Geralt's sexual exploits, but that stuff is entirely player-driven. I really don't get the thought process; especially given BioWare's disturbing emphasis on (obsession with) relationships and sex. Eh, I have no issue with the sex; I'm an adult - and I've had sex at least twice that I know of. Geralt though doesn't have some of the consequences I had; that's part of the ridiculous teenage fantasy. |
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 22, 2017 14:22:30 GMT
People on the BSN always bring up Geralt's sexual exploits, but that stuff is entirely player-driven. I really don't get the thought process; especially given BioWare's disturbing emphasis on (obsession with) relationships and sex. Eh, I have no issue with the sex; I'm an adult - and I've had sex at least twice that I know of. Geralt though doesn't have some of the consequences I had; that's part of the ridiculous teenage fantasy. What do you mean by that though? Does Geralt face consequences for sleeping around? yeah he does. If you try to romance both Triss and Yen they both leave you. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 22, 2017 14:38:02 GMT
People on the BSN always bring up Geralt's sexual exploits, but that stuff is entirely player-driven. I really don't get the thought process; especially given BioWare's disturbing emphasis on (obsession with) relationships and sex. Eh, I have no issue with the sex; I'm an adult - and I've had sex at least twice that I know of. Geralt though doesn't have some of the consequences I had; that's part of the ridiculous teenage fantasy. And makes Bioware games not part of this "teenage fantasy"? |
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 22, 2017 14:40:17 GMT
You wouldn't know if it did or not so you're opinion on the game is meaningless... If you take a bite of an apple and that first bite is rotten do you eat the rest of the apple to form a complete opinion? Sorry, can't read this over its overall meaninglessness |
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Post by vonuber on Sept 22, 2017 14:48:56 GMT
Eh, I have no issue with the sex; I'm an adult - and I've had sex at least twice that I know of. Geralt though doesn't have some of the consequences I had; that's part of the ridiculous teenage fantasy. And makes Bioware games not part of this "teenage fantasy"? Ah the defensiveness is leaking out of you. Point is Geralt can't make anyone pregnant or give them a disease. In a medieval setting that's a pretty big fantasy. |
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Post by decafhigh on Sept 22, 2017 15:04:50 GMT
The opening really doesn't do a good job of selling the "amazing story" either. It, and Habitat 7, do a terrible job in selling the game's story I'd argue. The arguable benefit of the stupidly rushed opening is that you get to the gameplay quicker and thus the introduction to the combat aspects. But Habitat 7 also fails to truly show off what to expect from the game in terms of exploration arguably given the linearity of the area, with minor diversions allowing enough freedom to explore without the narrative's tightness suffering. From Eos onwards, all that linearity just goes out the window. I thought Habitat 7 was the best part of the game. Things didn't really start falling apart till you reach the Nexus for the first time. If EA had been smart they would have stopped the trial there at the end of Habitat 7 instead of an open 10 hour sample. Aside from that they only thing they could have done to make it better is to have the game in a more finished state before going to launch. |
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 22, 2017 15:15:02 GMT
The opening really doesn't do a good job of selling the "amazing story" either. It, and Habitat 7, do a terrible job in selling the game's story I'd argue. The arguable benefit of the stupidly rushed opening is that you get to the gameplay quicker and thus the introduction to the combat aspects. But Habitat 7 also fails to truly show off what to expect from the game in terms of exploration arguably given the linearity of the area, with minor diversions allowing enough freedom to explore without the narrative's tightness suffering. From Eos onwards, all that linearity just goes out the window. I thought Habitat 7 was the best part of the game. Things didn't really start falling apart till you reach the Nexus for the first time. If EA had been smart they would have stopped the trial there at the end of Habitat 7 instead of an open 10 hour sample. Aside from that they only thing they could have done to make it better is to have the game in a more finished state before going to launch. Said the exact same thing. The Habitat 7 mission is more linear in narrative scope but allows for choice and exploration...if the trial ended right after Alec transferred the Pathfinder status to Scott/Sara that would have been perfect. |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 22, 2017 15:42:23 GMT
It's funny really, I've spent more time in DA:I than I have Witcher 3 (having played the first 2). I wonder why; on paper I should love the game but it just leaves me cold. The only thing that has changed for me personally from W2 to W3 is having two daughters be born. Maybe it means I've had enough of the gruff manly man chisel jawed woman magnet mcgruffathon so beloved of teenage boys? Who knows. People on the BSN always bring up Geralt's sexual exploits, but that stuff is entirely player-driven. I really don't get the thought process; especially given BioWare's disturbing emphasis on (obsession with) relationships and sex. It's not like Bio doing this isn't player-driven too. |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 22, 2017 15:46:41 GMT
The opening really doesn't do a good job of selling the "amazing story" either. It, and Habitat 7, do a terrible job in selling the game's story I'd argue. The arguable benefit of the stupidly rushed opening is that you get to the gameplay quicker and thus the introduction to the combat aspects. But Habitat 7 also fails to truly show off what to expect from the game in terms of exploration arguably given the linearity of the area, with minor diversions allowing enough freedom to explore without the narrative's tightness suffering. From Eos onwards, all that linearity just goes out the window. I thought Habitat 7 was the best part of the game. Things didn't really start falling apart till you reach the Nexus for the first time. If EA had been smart they would have stopped the trial there at the end of Habitat 7 instead of an open 10 hour sample. Aside from that they only thing they could have done to make it better is to have the game in a more finished state before going to launch. Hmm.. Habitat 7 is misleading, but the rest of the game is bad, so to boost sales the trial should have been made more misleading than it was? It's a defensible hypothesis, although a fairly despicable strategy. |
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 22, 2017 15:47:00 GMT
And makes Bioware games not part of this "teenage fantasy"? Ah the defensiveness is leaking out of you. Point is Geralt can't make anyone pregnant or give them a disease. In a medieval setting that's a pretty big fantasy. I don't think he was being defensive. It's a valid question, considering there's never any such consequence in BioWare games, either. DA is a medieval series, and we don't have to worry about our protagonist contracting an STD in that, either. The only game I've ever played that even mentioned STDs is the Fable series. If you need an in-game explanation for it, Gerald is a witcher. They are virtually immune to disease. It's an important trait, considering the filth they encounter. You can say that the sexual encounters are juvenile fantasies if you wish. I broadly agree. You can't single out TW, though, and spare BioWare, without seeming disingenuous. BioWare historically features far more juvenile depictions of sex and romance, in my opinion, with its alien waifus and such. |
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 22, 2017 15:52:17 GMT
People on the BSN always bring up Geralt's sexual exploits, but that stuff is entirely player-driven. I really don't get the thought process; especially given BioWare's disturbing emphasis on (obsession with) relationships and sex. It's not like Bio doing this isn't player-driven too. Of course. I often see those complaining about Geralt in one thread recounting their BioWare relationship experiences in others. It looks hypocritical, and makes it seem that they just want to complain about the Witcher. (I'm not saying this applies to vonuber , to be clear. His comment simply initiated the discussion.) It's fine to not like the game, Geralt, or whatever else. The constant argument that the game is somehow less mature, or even that Geralt is responsible for the players' opting for sex, is silly. |
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