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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 22:30:06 GMT
Really liked Liam's development over the course of the game. Came to dislike Jaal due to his romance. Drack and Vetra were awesome. I need to romance Cora to get some spark out of her, but I like the rose garden. Peebee's sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, her quest does not really help her to become more likable.
Really like Gil's personality, but Jill's story is annoying. Don't like Suvi. Adore Kalo. Lexi seems to get commented on a lot, but I don't really notice her much.
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Post by bladefist on Sept 28, 2017 23:13:12 GMT
With the exception of Drack, the squadmates were meh. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I just think they were denied the privilege of DLC and sequel which was necessary for some of the MET squadmates.
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Post by idkmyname on Sept 28, 2017 23:17:14 GMT
Princess Bubblegum and Drack are cool. Rest are meh.
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Post by Vall on Sept 28, 2017 23:30:32 GMT
Well I think of all the squad mates Cora and Liam are the weakest in terms of being good. Liam wins out over Cora though because of his amazing personal mission. Sure Liam is a fuck up and for some reason he didn't get fired but I think he redeems himself a bit towards the end. Cora on the other hand is good at the start but she doesn't get any better. She has a similar issue that Sebastian had in DA2 where her struggle was completely internal and the PC input doesn't matter. Then there's the fact they bundled Cora's mission in with the asari arc, that didn't help. The Asari arc mission should have been separate and not required (for cora's arc). I feel like Cora should have been thrown into a situation where a younger member of the initiative (arounds Sid's age) was having issues being a boitic. Why the devs keep avoiding this stigma towards biotics topic even though its been teased so much drives me insane. If they had done that Cora's "am I leader or follower?" and "I wish someone told me being a biotic isn't strange/taboo" could have been tackled in one swoop. Cora had a lot of potential shame we may never see it developed. Interesting point about biotics. Now that you bring it up, we always had this dangling idea that biotics are somehow being disadvantaged, but the closest we got to that issue was that one mission in ME1 where group of L2s kidnapped a politician. But I personally don't mind her struggle being internal, you can't always solve people's issues, sometimes all you can offer is opinions and support. Though I wish we had seen the result of her struggle, seen her become a leader in her own right.
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Post by Guts on Sept 28, 2017 23:31:24 GMT
A quick question though: How do I turn this into a poll? If you click edit on your original post in the thread there should be an option to add a poll next to the thread title field at the top. It worked, thank you.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 28, 2017 23:34:43 GMT
I voted Great.
I think Lexi, Suvi, and Ryder(better than Shepard) are great, Cora and Kallo and really good, and all the others are good.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 28, 2017 23:34:48 GMT
There should have been a mechanism for Cora to leave the team if you made her upset enough over missing out on the job, and the Asari pathfinder. Actually give her some independence in thought and action, rather than just sucking it up.
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Post by Melcara on Sept 28, 2017 23:38:15 GMT
Liam appears to have some sort of cognitive dissonance. He behaves one way on the Tempest, and another way on the Nomad. Not a very well written character, imo.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 28, 2017 23:39:52 GMT
Liam appears to have some sort of cognitive dissonance. He behaves one way on the Tempest, and another way on the Nomad. Not a very well written character, imo. He talks about that. Basically he says something like he doesn't take his work home with him, so whatever happens out there he doesn't bring back up on the Tempest.
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Post by Guts on Sept 28, 2017 23:43:17 GMT
There should have been a mechanism for Cora to leave the team if you made her upset enough over missing out on the job, and the Asari pathfinder. Actually give her some independence in thought and action, rather than just sucking it up.
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Post by Guts on Sept 28, 2017 23:45:48 GMT
Really liked Liam's development over the course of the game. Came to dislike Jaal due to his romance. Drack and Vetra were awesome. I need to romance Cora to get some spark out of her, but I like the rose garden. Peebee's sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, her quest does not really help her to become more likable. Really like Gil's personality, but Jill's story is annoying. Don't like Suvi. Adore Kalo. Lexi seems to get commented on a lot, but I don't really notice her much. I felt Peebee's loyalty mission was the weakest imho, which is ironic considering Peebs was my favorite character, but thats due to the lack of any real tension between Peebs and Ryder and considering how Kalinda was established and how she sends armed mercs to kill you and take your implants, most people wouldn't hesitate to shoot her at the end.
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Post by Vall on Sept 28, 2017 23:56:44 GMT
As for my opinions on the rest of the crew... Liam could be annoying and some of his early conversations with Vetra really put me off, but overall I found him likeable and human. And of course, he has probably the most fun loyalty mission Vetra...I guessed what she was like the first time we've seen her before release, but her relationship with her sister added a nice twist to it. And I don't mind Sid being so prominent throughout Vetra's story since character's relationship with another can also te you a lot about them. Drack is a krogan Nah, I found him different from both Grunt and Wrex. Unlike both of them, Drack was just an old, grumpy soldier who has seen too much and Kesh was the only thing that stopped him from just giving up. And he is just likeable and eventually he becomes almost like Ryder's grandpa (well, at least for my Ryder) I didn't really like Jaal until his loyalty mission, he was just being an ass to everyone I tried to pair him up with for banter. Eventually I stopped taking him out with me, but interactions with him were what made me like him later. Peebee, I love her chaotic personality and commitment issues. If only it wasn't for that unfortunate meeting scene and casual sex offer while I was halfway through another romance. (Seriously, couldn't you have pushed her off while your squad has guns on her, before she starts talking? ) I romanced Suvi. She is adorable, and her views are interesting. The awkwardness of Ryder's flirts with her is awesome And I just love for her insatiable curiosity and love of science. Kallo is the cutest salarian ever His memories of old friends he can't see anymore struck close, and it being source of conflict between hik and Gil made me feel like Gil was just being an ass about the whole thing...I don't really like Gil. Did I say Kallo was cute and I want to hug him? Edit: :gasp: I almost didn't talk about Ryder! I only played as Sara, so I don't really know about differences between her and Scott. Also went for casual with more or less even split of logical and emotional responses. Sara's goofiness, awkwardness and puns are what made me love her. Deflecting problems with jokes or being hopeful, using logic and actually knowing some science (as oppossed to Shepard who knows nothing ) made me completely fall for her as protagonist. She is so djfferent from your average charismatic, grizzled protagonist and she is just so relatable and lovable because of that
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2017 23:56:58 GMT
There should have been a mechanism for Cora to leave the team if you made her upset enough over missing out on the job, and the Asari pathfinder. Actually give her some independence in thought and action, rather than just sucking it up. Let's file this under "why Dragon Age is better than Mass Effect."
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Post by anarchy65 on Sept 28, 2017 23:57:32 GMT
They are the worst group of characters I have ever seen.
Liam: The worst character ever written by Bioware. He's an idiot, and he's supposed to be a "crisis dealer". His lines seem to have been written by a 13 year old, he only tells stupid jokes, and if that wasn't enough, he gives vital information to a random contact because angara and humans weren't immediately trusting each other. If I had the choice, I would have arrested or executed him for treason. And then he acts like it was all a joke and even calls you a jerk. AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF. DAMN, BIOWARE!
Cora: She certainly is the least interesting. I don't even feel hate for her, I just find her boring. She can't say 10 words without 2 being "asari". That's all she EVER talk about. Even when she talks about plants, she put asari in the middle of the sentence someway
Drack: He is just a copy of Wrex, but older. His role in the team is showing how a "badass krogan" he is, and to tell "funny war stories".
Vetra: Trying to be female Garrus, she even got the visor, but it's just a pale copy of the real thing. Just like Cora, she can't say 10 words without mentioning her little sister.
SAM: Poor replacement for EDI. VERY poor. Also, his story with Ryder doesn't make any sense. He isn't a squadmate, but I had to point how boring he is.
Ryder: Ugh, worst main character ever on a Bioware game. Especially because we can't be renegade, so all we have is "four faces of a nice guy/girl".
Peebee: I think she's the only character in the ship to actually have a personality. She's individualistic, has a real reason to go to Andromeda and like to discover new things. Unfortunately, they pretty much dump all her character after her mission, when she suddenly says "she's part of the group" and when she just launches the escape pod without any plan of going back to the ship.
Jaal: He's uninteresting especially because the angara are uninteresting. They're basically humans with big families, it shows how creativity abandoned Bioware on this game.
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Post by cmoe on Sept 29, 2017 0:01:51 GMT
I'm going with great. I really liked Ryder (Scott and Sara), Liam, Drack, Peebee, Reyes, Lexi and Gil. I thought the rest were good. I would have liked it if we could have recruited the other pathfinders or at least worked with them more.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 29, 2017 0:01:53 GMT
Really liked Liam's development over the course of the game. Came to dislike Jaal due to his romance. Drack and Vetra were awesome. I need to romance Cora to get some spark out of her, but I like the rose garden. Peebee's sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, her quest does not really help her to become more likable. Really like Gil's personality, but Jill's story is annoying. Don't like Suvi. Adore Kalo. Lexi seems to get commented on a lot, but I don't really notice her much. I felt Peebee's loyalty mission was the weakest imho, which is ironic considering Peebs was my favorite character, but thats due to the lack of any real tension between Peebs and Ryder and considering how Kalinda was established and how she sends armed mercs to kill you and take your implants, most people wouldn't hesitate to shoot her at the end. My rule is generally that squadmates get to make the call on personal stuff. It's not like Kalinda actually came after Ryder; PeeBee dragged us into this. (Hey, how come my iPad autocorrects "Peebee" to "PeeBee"?) OTOH, since PeeBee did drag us into this, maybe shoot Kalinda just because PeeBee doesn't want her dead. Pity Ryder couldn't have been a real dick about that later.
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 29, 2017 1:12:40 GMT
Kallo and Gil were the only characters I actually liked, most of the others fell flat in some way, and several of them I disliked
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Post by melbella on Sept 29, 2017 3:03:29 GMT
It took most of my first game for me to warm up to the crew characters. They just didn't jump out at me as interesting right away. However, after spending several PTs with them, I like pretty much all of them. Drack is my favorite though, among the crew, and Reyes from the rest.
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Post by derrame on Sept 29, 2017 3:49:09 GMT
everyone is bland dull and boring except for Cora, Drack and Kandros and dont forget that Addison's face is still tired
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Post by vonuber on Sept 29, 2017 6:32:17 GMT
Let's file this under "why Dragon Age is better than Mass Effect." You know, I used to think the opposite but I am coming around to this point of view.
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Post by Wildfire on Sept 29, 2017 8:08:23 GMT
Overall I feel that the cast was good. There were some great characters and some less interesting ones. My favorites are probably Peebee and Drack. Peebee is a real pleasure to be around and I liked both her romance and her crazy loyalty mission. Drack has the best story arc, and I like it how they've added new dimensions to the classic krogan fighter. Vetra was interesting but maybe her arc felt a bit unfinished. Suvi, Kallo and Lexi were cute. Liam, Gil, Cora and Jaal didn't really make an impact. Cora was just kinda bland, whereas everything Liam did or said was super incoherent and at times I really needed to concentrate to even understand what he was going on about Jaal was fine I guess, a bit annoying at times because he was so emotional Angara as a species may not be the most interesting creation from BW. Gil's personality and story arc were meh. Edit: I almost didn't talk about Ryder! I only played as Sara, so I don't really know about differences between her and Scott. Also went for casual with more or less even split of logical and emotional responses. Sara's goofiness, awkwardness and puns are what made me love her. Deflecting problems with jokes or being hopeful, using logic and actually knowing some science (as oppossed to Shepard who knows nothing ) made me completely fall for her as protagonist. She is so djfferent from your average charismatic, grizzled protagonist and she is just so relatable and lovable because of that. Agree 100%. Ryder is just SOOO adorable I suspect that all of the "these characters are boring" talk comes down to persons only playing the game once. It's impossible to fully appreciate the content during a single PT. This. I have neverbeen able to fully appreciate the greatness of BW games during my first PTs. Never. It's always been the second or third PT which has blown my mind away. This was the case with MET, DA2, NWN, MEA... Let's file this under "why Dragon Age is better than Mass Effect." Kinda off-topic, but after MEA, I'm actually leaning towards the opposite view... Pretty unbelievable, given that two years ago I had not even bothered to complete MET yet. But Mass Effect franchise has one mediocre game (ME1), two great games (ME2 and MEA) and one mind-blowing game (ME3), whereas Dragon Age has one disastrous game (DAO), one mediocre game (DAI) and one all-time classic (DA2). Mass Effect feels more consistent, but ofc we'll see what DA4 brings. Anyway, the MEA personalities have a lot of potential, they just need a few sequels. In comparison, I didn't like any of the ME1 squadmates until the later installments of the trilogy. So one can just imagine what two games more could do to the Tempest crew.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 9:35:30 GMT
Good, would say great, but then Peebee and how they wrote her is a thing-so it averages to good.
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Post by Guts on Sept 29, 2017 22:52:29 GMT
I like all of the characters, though Liam took a lot of work. His romance arc finally allowed me to hurdle the challenges. He was always believably written. I just wanted to kick his ass and fire him.I suspect that all of the "these characters are boring" talk comes down to persons only playing the game once. It's impossible to fully appreciate the content during a single PT. I'm still experiencing new banter, which brings character development, in my 8th full PT. I'd elaborate more, but my device is about to run out of battery power. ☹️ This crew is much better developed than our cherished friends aboard Normandy SR1. The Tempest crew could be great, given more time together. We should've had the option to either kick him out, forgive him or, in my case, refer to him as private "Gomer Pyle".
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Post by General Mahad on Sept 30, 2017 10:15:41 GMT
I had high hopes for Liam, I thought he was going to be the wide eyed idealist (been a while since we had one of those characters in ME, no?) but unfortunately he became as bland as ME3 base game Cortez and was somehow less mature than James.
Cora was a missed opportunity, I would have liked to have her and Ryder fight over the Pathfinder position because that issue was alluded to but never fully developed.
PeeBee is a maniac pixie girl that tries to be cute but comes of as annoying, next.
Vetra....ummm..she's there? That's pretty much all I have.
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Drack is the best and he somehow reminds me of Old Snake from MGS4.
Over all, Jaal and Drack are my favorites.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 30, 2017 11:37:11 GMT
Squadmates are the only aspect of this game that I liked, so I would say great but Ryder brings down that scale to good. Such a useless protagonist.
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