Opinions on the characters (Especially squadmates and Ryder) of ME:A, based on their own merits. Gre

So you've never said anything stupid when adrenaline is running high? Because people actually do do that. I've made some bad jokes in the ambulance. That's one of the things I love about Liam. The derpy lines during a crisis is something real people do. It's not admirable, and it doesn't make him cool (or very likable), but it strikes a very familiar chord.

Liam is a first responder. Crisis response is set up as basically a search and rescue/EMS squad that may do a bit of shooting. What got him in the pathfinder program was probably his broad skill range and relative youth. Alec was probably planning on knocking off some rough edges, because remember... Liam's pretty green.

I'm not pointing a finger at you (or anyone), but there is a tendency to equate not liking a character with bad writing. I think Liam is a pretty spectacular character, but he's certainly not a particularly likable one. (I find him charming, but I'm a young first responder who occasionally says stupid things SO I MAY BE BIASED.)

It's a little late in the history of Mass Effect to suddenly start being bothered by that

"But...but....it's because you DIED!!1!eleventy-one!"
But what if someone didn't romance her, then it's just creepy.
Let's also not forget about the bit where she enshrines your armor in her apartment. (She had some pretty unhealthy behavior in ME2 and people were totally fine with it, that's where I start to get irritated.)
There was a scene from ME1 where you choose Ashley over Liara, in that case, Liara admit's that she mistook your kindness (If you showed any) for romantic attraction and recognizes that it was her fault for the misunderstanding and asks to just be friends and move on. Well apparently that gets thrown out the window in ME2.

She was also a pretty serious Mary Sue in the later games, like you said. I thought she was awesome in the first game, but she was terrible after that. (I had to come up with my own theory JUST to fix it)
I don't like using the term Mary Sue much because I tend to reserve it for characters that just seem WAY too perfect, to the point where it's just ridiculous

From creepy cheerleader to Mary Sue...what a powerful character arc.

Actually though my take was she went from being creepy cheereader to just plain boring character.  She did virtually nothing in ME 3 except for having kind of a touching scene in the goodbye scenes. 

Liam's main problem is his overcompensation for his past and his belief.  Hell he operates under two basic assumptions.  1. The AI was worth it and a good idea.  2. Because it wasn't he feels that he has to do everything in his power to force it to be a good thing.  Instead he learns he can just let things happen.  

Ironically enough this probably did lead to at least one problem.  I was really expecting Vetra to be a female Garrus.  I know its unfair but that expecation led to dissapointment.  Though, to me, she is probably the flattest character of the lot. 

Um, allied militaries and nations share information with each other all the time. That's actually a pretty established method to gain trust and build relationships. 

I'm trying to create a civil conversation if you're not interested in one. Then this is my last post talking to you about Liam in this thread.

Liam's entire character is that he can't always save or solve everything, especially by himself and without the proper know how. I don't think anyone is trying to say what he did is not dumb, but rather its consistent with his flaws and arc. 

"Make the audience think and pay attention" is exactly what this game DOESN'T do.  

And I really don't care what you think about Liam. The fact that Bioware just abandoned Andromeda says more than everything. 

anarchy65 Also, how about you knock it off with the personal jabs, alright?