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Post by Syv on Sept 30, 2017 11:41:25 GMT
Liam is my favorite companion he is cute, upbeat, liked his personal mission too. Peebee grew on me the second playthrough. Cora I liked how different her reaction was when talking to Ryder after her personal mission. Vetra and Dracks banter was amusing but would have liked more I don't know... personality from Vetra and less older Wrex from Dracks. Jaal the best thing I can say about him is that I didn't have to take him with me and wanted the option to dump him on some planet..any planet. I like Suvi. Reyes, best non-companion he has spark! This is the first time that I see a negative opinion about Jaal. Therefore I am curious. Why did you dislike that character ?
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Post by mmoblitz on Sept 30, 2017 11:57:13 GMT
I found them all Meh. I only did one PT and there is no chance I'm subjecting myself to another so I will have to go on the one PT. None of them grabbed me and I only did one loyalty mission because I had to for the Asari ark.
According to Bioware, this was supposed to be played as a stand alone game with no sequels, so the characters should have been complete by the end of the game only they weren't. Should have given us the option to send them out the airlock if we didn't like them. By the end of the game there wouldn't have been anyone left at which point I would have sent my Ryder out of the airlock as well.
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Post by Syv on Sept 30, 2017 13:38:34 GMT
This is the first time that I see a negative opinion about Jaal. Therefore I am curious. Why did you dislike that character ? Syv, I'm not quite sure, it's more a feeling I have with him. Haven't done a romance with him or seen it on you tube so I might be missing some information about him. I might not explain it well and I know he is a favorite. I do like his banter with the crew, Peebee especially. First his looks and armor is hard to get past. Don't care for his voice or the way he says the dialog. The way he expresses himself, long winded it reminds me of reading fiction where the author gets too flowery or uses too much symbolism and metaphors. I know Jaal doesn't do that just reminds me of that, most of the time when he talks I want to him spit it out. He seems a mix of Sten and Thane to me. It's as if he is trying too hard to live up to some ideal/code/image and he wants everyone to know it. With Sten his matter of fact way, humor was endearing, I don't feel that way with Jaal. I see. ( I also had some difficulty with Jaal the first time I saw him ) Thank you, that was interesting to read. Very refreshing to read a different opinion about Jaal.
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Post by mannyray on Sept 30, 2017 15:56:15 GMT
- Liam: he's okay. Like nearly all other companions, he gets preachy. I think his story arc could have been done a little better in avoiding him essentially stabbing Ryder in the back and getting no consequences for it, or at least the choice to kick him out or not.
- Cora: Like Liam, she's okay. She at least shows more loyalty, but we could have had more tension between her and Ryder that could be military pro vs.
rookie handed the keys. - Jaal: nothing wrong with being idealistic but he's really the cliche noble savage. no one seems to care about this, in light of the sheer joy over his patched in bisexuality.
- Drack: One of the few characters in this game that cuts to the chase through the bullshit with common sense solutions, even if they're violent ones.
He's basically the token Krogan all ME games are required to have, but we get to see some soul underneath the violent cliches. - PeeBee: At times insufferable, at times endearing. She's a bright young scientist and her immature impulsiveness sets the stage for good character conflicts that aren't nearly explored well enough. Also no consequences or options to make her pay for some of her dangerous behavior, however. I also think the fanfic squad at Bioware Montreal could have thought of a better name that didn't invoke images of urine.
- Vetra: Also an apparent adult. I liked her arc and how she was scripted for the most part, but like others she can't wait to bare her soul to Ryder far too quickly.
Anyway, that's my opinion of the companion npc's, not counting those on the ship who don't go into the field.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 30, 2017 16:41:07 GMT
Good, and only because of their potential for continuing storylines, with growth, twists, betrayals, relationships, etc.
Take away the potential and restrict it to MEA, then just Okay or Meh.
Its hard to pick a definite best and worst (at least at the moment), but if I could pick two best and two worst squadmates, the best are Jaal and Cora, and worst are Peebee and Liam.
But I think Drack is best written, its just that krogan have never been my favorites.
I don't think any squadmate in MEA is on the lowest rung of ME series squadmates, but neither are any on the top rung. They may annoy or bore, but not that much. They may be good and show great potential, but there's no content (in-game, DLC, sequel) to act on that potential.
MEA decided to be 'kinda boring' to me.
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Post by Guts on Sept 30, 2017 20:54:13 GMT
Good, and only because of their potential for continuing storylines, with growth, twists, betrayals, relationships, etc. Take away the potential and restrict it to MEA, then just Okay or Meh. Its hard to pick a definite best and worst (at least at the moment), but if I could pick two best and two worst squadmates, the best are Jaal and Cora, and worst are Peebee and Liam. But I think Drack is best written, its just that krogan have never been my favorites. I don't think any squadmate in MEA is on the lowest rung of ME series squadmates, but neither are any on the top rung. They may annoy or bore, but not that much. They may be good and show great potential, but there's no content (in-game, DLC, sequel) to act on that potential. MEA decided to be 'kinda boring' to me. I don't think there was any official statement that ME:A wouldn't get a sequel, we got vague indications from EA and Casey Hudson, but nothing to outright say there won't be any ME:A2. We know that they're working on Anthem right now, I probably won't buy it as I already played Destiny so I feel like I'd have a good idea of what Anthem would be like, perhaps with a good story (Drew Karpyshyn is the lead writer).
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Post by aslightjump on Oct 1, 2017 1:59:05 GMT
Liam was most involved in my favorite aspect of the game, the outposts and carving out a new life in a new galaxy, so I ended up liking him quite a bit. I mean, he's a moron and a mess, but pretty sincere and trying. Peebee I didn't like until my second play-through - I feel like taking a few of those flirts helps her character a lot.
Cora I have no strong feelings on except for 'Mom Friend' and I don't like Vetra. They're all pretty preachy but Vetra's brand of it just rubs me the wrong way, plus I get pretty sick of hearing about her sister. And she's boring.
Drack...is a krogan. IMO He's the closest to a 1:1 comparison to his counterpart in the OT, Wrex. He was fine and his conversation about his failing body was one of my favorite in the games. Jaal I go back and forth on. I quite liked his romance, but the character only occasionally lived up to the first impression he gave me. Maintaining his cool in his loyalty mission was pretty damn awesome, though.
They're a good bunch of companions, including all those on board, though Gil is a little ehhhhh. It's difficult to compare them to the OT because I played all three games in a row, so that was a lot of characterization. They're about even, to me, if you compare them strictly to the SR1 crew, who had the misfortune of being walking info-dumps, if slightly better written and more mature (lowkey one of my favorite squad moments ever is Kaidan telling me he's 32 and can sort out his own shit.) Not up to a cast of any given Dragon Age game, but not like actively hateful to be around.
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Post by Zatche on Oct 1, 2017 2:14:17 GMT
I thought most of the characters in MEA were interesting even if some weren't likable (PeeBee). Drack was my favorite, and I think Cora is underrated.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Oct 1, 2017 2:28:29 GMT
I thought most of the characters in MEA were interesting even if some weren't likable (PeeBee). Drack was my favorite, and I think Cora is underrated. This. There's certainly some hinky-ness in the writing, but this crew is the most believable. Which is good and bad, but honestly, part of what I love about Andromeda is that I've met people like every squadmate.... And I've been Liam with the "Oh shit, I made a big decision and now I need to bust my ass and do whatever it takes to make this big decision work AND ALSO HIDE MY FEAR THROUGH JOKES" more often than I'd care to admit. My one major issue with Andromeda's characters is that most of them just flat out tell you how they're crazy instead of letting you infer it. But a lot of real people do that, so I'm okay with that too.
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Post by Zatche on Oct 1, 2017 2:52:30 GMT
There's certainly some hinky-ness in the writing, but this crew is the most believable. Which is good and bad, but honestly, part of what I love about Andromeda is that I've met people like every squadmate.... And I've been Liam with the "Oh shit, I made a big decision and now I need to bust my ass and do whatever it takes to make this big decision work AND ALSO HIDE MY FEAR THROUGH JOKES" more often than I'd care to admit. My one major issue with Andromeda's characters is that most of them just flat out tell you how they're crazy instead of letting you infer it. But a lot of real people do that, so I'm okay with that too. Yeah, bolded for accuracy. They felt like actual fully people, as opposed to, say, ME2. I love ME2, but the characters often felt like they were defined by only one trait. Part of that might have had to do with the fact that each of the MEA crew had their own personal investment into Andromeda. They chose to go to Andromeda, so the plot allowed them each to reveal their reasons for joining AI, what a better life in Andromeda meant for them, their coping mechanisms for when the Initiative went South. They had better defined motivations than "I want to save the galaxy because I live there".
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Post by Melcara on Oct 1, 2017 3:03:10 GMT
There's certainly some hinky-ness in the writing, but this crew is the most believable. Which is good and bad, but honestly, part of what I love about Andromeda is that I've met people like every squadmate.... And I've been Liam with the "Oh shit, I made a big decision and now I need to bust my ass and do whatever it takes to make this big decision work AND ALSO HIDE MY FEAR THROUGH JOKES" more often than I'd care to admit. My one major issue with Andromeda's characters is that most of them just flat out tell you how they're crazy instead of letting you infer it. But a lot of real people do that, so I'm okay with that too. Yeah, bolded for accuracy. They felt like actual fully people, as opposed to, say, ME2. I love ME2, but the characters often felt like they were defined by only one trait. Part of that might have had to do with the fact that each of the MEA crew had their own personal investment into Andromeda. They chose to go to Andromeda, so the plot allowed them each to reveal their reasons for joining AI, what a better life in Andromeda meant for them, their coping mechanisms for when the Initiative went South. They had better defined motivations than "I want to save the galaxy because I live there". Complete opposite for me. Characters & their motivations were much more believable for me in ME2. The AI's existence doesn't even make much sense, so the reasons for joining it don't either. In fact, there are only two major reasons everyone in the AI joined it. It's either "I was bored with my life and wanted to do something exciting" or "I wanted to explore the unknown". Both of which they could have done in the Milky Way, but w/e, I guess.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 1, 2017 3:55:39 GMT
To most I vote 'meh'. But for Peebee, I wish I could shove a chainsword right though her ugly face!
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 1, 2017 5:05:06 GMT
I thought most of the characters in MEA were interesting even if some weren't likable (PeeBee). Drack was my favorite, and I think Cora is underrated. This. There's certainly some hinky-ness in the writing, but this crew is the most believable. Which is good and bad, but honestly, part of what I love about Andromeda is that I've met people like every squadmate.... And I've been Liam with the "Oh shit, I made a big decision and now I need to bust my ass and do whatever it takes to make this big decision work AND ALSO HIDE MY FEAR THROUGH JOKES" more often than I'd care to admit. My one major issue with Andromeda's characters is that most of them just flat out tell you how they're crazy instead of letting you infer it. But a lot of real people do that, so I'm okay with that too. Believable? I surely expect that you don't know people that say "haha, that one doesn't like me, maybe because I shot him on the face" or "Look, these rocks are floating!" or "Sorry, I get a little pissed when someone is trying to kill me!" in the middle of a battle for your life against an unknown alien race. And seriously, this was supposed to be an elite team to colonize a new galaxy, and not a bunch of idiots. Especially Liam, who is supposed to be a "crisis dealer", but he's actually totally opposite of what a "crisis dealer" should be (not to mention he is COMPLETELY RETARD). Liam should be arrested for treason, not treat it like it was a joke. I really hope next game we get to "shoot him in the face".
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 1, 2017 5:18:29 GMT
If only Liam had a proper battle bark, like the inspirational "Gravity's one mean mother!".
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Post by Guts on Oct 1, 2017 5:21:25 GMT
This. There's certainly some hinky-ness in the writing, but this crew is the most believable. Which is good and bad, but honestly, part of what I love about Andromeda is that I've met people like every squadmate.... And I've been Liam with the "Oh shit, I made a big decision and now I need to bust my ass and do whatever it takes to make this big decision work AND ALSO HIDE MY FEAR THROUGH JOKES" more often than I'd care to admit. My one major issue with Andromeda's characters is that most of them just flat out tell you how they're crazy instead of letting you infer it. But a lot of real people do that, so I'm okay with that too. Believable? I surely expect that you don't know people that say "haha, that one doesn't like me, maybe because I shot him on the face" or "Look, these rocks are floating!" or "Sorry, I get a little pissed when someone is trying to kill me!" in the middle of a battle for your life against an unknown alien race. And seriously, this was supposed to be an elite team to colonize a new galaxy, and not a bunch of idiots. Especially Liam, who is supposed to be a "crisis dealer", but he's actually totally opposite of what a "crisis dealer" should be (not to mention he is COMPLETELY RETARD). Liam should be arrested for treason, not treat it like it was a joke. I really hope next game we get to "shoot him in the face". He's supposed to be crisis response, helping out families and whatnot after a, you know, crisis, but he fucks up even more than Peebee did with his loyalty mission. Why didn't we get the option to kick private Gomer Pyle (Liam) off the ship for that fiasco. I also agree that it's dumb that Liam was picked to be part of the pathfinder team, supposed to be an elite team to help the initiative colonize worlds, but Liam is a walking fuck-up.
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Post by Guts on Oct 1, 2017 5:23:23 GMT
Squadmates are the only aspect of this game that I liked, so I would say great but Ryder brings down that scale to good. Such a useless protagonist. I can see how people would dislike Ryder, but what didn't you like about him? (Genuine curiosity here)
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 1, 2017 6:17:29 GMT
Believable? I surely expect that you don't know people that say "haha, that one doesn't like me, maybe because I shot him on the face" or "Look, these rocks are floating!" or "Sorry, I get a little pissed when someone is trying to kill me!" in the middle of a battle for your life against an unknown alien race. And seriously, this was supposed to be an elite team to colonize a new galaxy, and not a bunch of idiots. Especially Liam, who is supposed to be a "crisis dealer", but he's actually totally opposite of what a "crisis dealer" should be (not to mention he is COMPLETELY RETARD). Liam should be arrested for treason, not treat it like it was a joke. I really hope next game we get to "shoot him in the face". He's supposed to be crisis response, helping out families and whatnot after a, you know, crisis, but he fucks up even more than Peebee did with his loyalty mission. Why didn't we get the option to kick private Gomer Pyle (Liam) off the ship for that fiasco. I also agree that it's dumb that Liam was picked to be part of the pathfinder team, supposed to be an elite team to help the initiative colonize worlds, but Liam is a walking fuck-up. Yeah, that's the worst, the game OBLIGATES your character to like him. Roleplaying is pretty much dead. And the characters from previous games were much more believable: First, because they were really supposed to be on an elite team. Second, because they had truly believable issues: Garrus was a cop struggling between being a "vengeance is justice or not" (a pretty common struggle, but well-written in his case), Samara had a struggle between her code and her daughters (duty x love), Jack was a result of tortured imposed on her, etc. They are all pretty believable. What is really UNBELIEVABLE is that someone would give vital information (including communication codes) to a random contact because two races that just met aren't IMMEDIATELY getting along (despite angara's recent past with the kett) and then would invade the ship where the contact is with absolutely no plan at all.
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Post by Guts on Oct 1, 2017 6:47:57 GMT
He's supposed to be crisis response, helping out families and whatnot after a, you know, crisis, but he fucks up even more than Peebee did with his loyalty mission. Why didn't we get the option to kick private Gomer Pyle (Liam) off the ship for that fiasco. I also agree that it's dumb that Liam was picked to be part of the pathfinder team, supposed to be an elite team to help the initiative colonize worlds, but Liam is a walking fuck-up. Yeah, that's the worst, the game OBLIGATES your character to like him. Roleplaying is pretty much dead. And the characters from previous games were much more believable: First, because they were really supposed to be on an elite team. Second, because they had truly believable issues: Garrus was a cop struggling between being a "vengeance is justice or not" (a pretty common struggle, but well-written in his case), Samara had a struggle between her code and her daughters (duty x love), Jack was a result of tortured imposed on her, etc. They are all pretty believable. What is really UNBELIEVABLE is that someone would give vital information (including communication codes) to a random contact because two races that just met aren't IMMEDIATELY getting along (despite angara's recent past with the kett) and then would invade the ship where the contact is with absolutely no plan at all. (To self) Must....not....bitch....about....Liara!
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 1, 2017 7:17:39 GMT
Liam: Right, so, there's a lot of hate for Liam in the fandom, but I got to admit that he was kind of my favorite squadmate, which admittedly isn't that high of a bar for me in MEA. He's totally the by-product of Bioware's attempt to make MEA a more "optimistic and light-hearted" game, which is usually a fine thing to do, but in the context of MEA's super-serious plot he doesn't make a lick of sense as a character, is way to young, and feels like a rando that somehow got put on the most important team in the Andromeda Initiative, which is fucking ridiculous. That said, I like the fact that he's super-emotional, and not in that romanticised Jaal way of showing emotion, but in a the realistic form that can off-putting and annoying, which I think is a lot more authentic. That's something that Liam's writer has historically been good at, giving his characters realistic emotional freakouts that at least leave an impact, for better or for worse. 7/10.
Cora: People have already said it. She's a boring Asari Otaku whose most interesting aspects (facing biotic prejudice) gets totally ignored. Even her dealing with Alec's death and the Asari Pathfinder's crime didn't do anything for me. Honestly, the only remarkable thing I can say about her is that she has a nice ass. Sorry feminists out there. I wish Bioware wrote an interesting female character in this game so I wouldn't have to go there. 5/10.
Drack: I actually kind of like him and was even emotionally moved at times when he talked. His struggles with age, mortality and creating a future for his people just worked as a narrative, and while he does have a couple Krogan tropes that I'm tried of he ultimately managed to still be likable. Chances are, if we get a sequel and he does die in it I'm going to cry. Can't really say the same for any of the other members of the Tempest crew. 7/10.
Vetra: She's cool and actually has an interesting backstory, but her little sister plot completely uninterested me and I feel the overall plot really let her down. A shame. 6/10.
Jaal: I wanted to like Jaal and can be admit that's probably the most fleshed out character in the Tempest crew, but I cannot help but be somewhat bored with him. I don't even really know why. Maybe it's because it felt like his writer was trying to hard to make him romantic and deep? 6/10.
Peebee: She's a watered down version of Sera and to me that's a bad thing. Plenty of people hate Sera, but at least to me she was interesting and tackled issues that I really don't see a lot in video games. Peebee on the other hand just felt so transparent and predictable as a character. Literally the moment she molested my Ryder and did her "I work alone" schtick, I knew she was going to be the emotionally-detached girl that's afraid of getting close to people but secretly wants family and friendship. It just annoyed me how blatant her character arc was and by the time she literally says to the entire Tempest crew that their her family now I just lost it. Also, her hating/not giving a shit about the Asari makes no sense and unlike Sera she doesn't have a tragic backstory or cultural context to explain it, leaving me confused and annoyed. Most importantly though, her dick-riding sex scene with FemRyder is objectively inferior to Sera's sex scene in DAI. Where's the progress Bioware! That all said, I do admit that did feel for her when it was revealed that Kalinda was abusive towards her. Sort of wish they didn't turn into a comedic rivalry thing during her squad mission though. 5/10.
Kallo: I barely remember this guy. He's not bad, just forgettable. 4/10. Gil: The only remarkable thing about him is his surprisingly offensive baby plot. Good job Bioware! 3/10. Suvi: Also forgettable and one-note. Well, that's not true. She actually had two-notes which were, I like science and believing in a vaguely defined God. Seriously Bioware you could of just picked a religion. Also, her face reminds me of a Vulcan and the Chucky doll. 4/10. Lexi: What a waste of Natalie Dormer. Oh well. 4/10. Reyes: Zevran did the morally-ambiguous-sexy-Spaniard-guy thing better in my opinion. 6/10.
Overall pretty meh. There's no one I hate in this game but no I love either. Just mostly meh all around.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 1, 2017 7:29:05 GMT
Yeah, that's the worst, the game OBLIGATES your character to like him. Roleplaying is pretty much dead. And the characters from previous games were much more believable: First, because they were really supposed to be on an elite team. Second, because they had truly believable issues: Garrus was a cop struggling between being a "vengeance is justice or not" (a pretty common struggle, but well-written in his case), Samara had a struggle between her code and her daughters (duty x love), Jack was a result of tortured imposed on her, etc. They are all pretty believable. What is really UNBELIEVABLE is that someone would give vital information (including communication codes) to a random contact because two races that just met aren't IMMEDIATELY getting along (despite angara's recent past with the kett) and then would invade the ship where the contact is with absolutely no plan at all. (To self) Must....not....bitch....about....Liara! Well shit, I will if you won't. She's a Mary Sue. I hate that term but Liara almost perfectly fits it. Her transformation from archeologist to the most powerful information broker in the galaxy in the span of two years is laughable and pushed. Her character design is boring. The series constantly assuming that she's your love interest is annoying. Her obvious feelings for Shepard regardless of whether you romanced her or not is unflattering and sometimes even creeping. Her giving Shepard's corpse to Cerberus is beyond creepy and is straight up horrifying. Oh, and her voice actress is just TERRIBLE! Only way I can get through it is by assuming it's a joke and the voice actress is just doing her best Shatner impression.
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Post by tacsear on Oct 1, 2017 11:04:10 GMT
Squadmates are the only aspect of this game that I liked, so I would say great but Ryder brings down that scale to good. Such a useless protagonist. I can see how people would dislike Ryder, but what didn't you like about him? (Genuine curiosity here) He seems too incompetent for someone who aims to colonise a galaxy, and the lack of role playing of course.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Oct 1, 2017 12:39:12 GMT
I have to be honest here and answer "meh" because, for a second, I didn't even remember my LI's name (Jaal Ama... Davaal?) and that has never happened to me in a BioWare game, I even remember every character from Star Wars: Old Republic.
There were some well written characters, but the most important ones, the squadmates, did not interest me enough and I spent quite a lot of time with them.
Some stellar NPC's: Reyes Vidal, Kallo Jaath and Alec Ryder. See? I CAN remember the interesting ones.
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Post by Zatche on Oct 1, 2017 13:15:57 GMT
If only Liam had a proper battle bark, like the inspirational "Gravity's one mean mother!". I know we're talking about ME, but I still shutter when I think back to "I SEE SOME DARKSPAAAAWWWWN." With the exception of the ones signalling someone's low on health, I've been kinda wishing the battle cries would just go away for a while.
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Post by Lady Sif on Oct 1, 2017 14:53:04 GMT
I actually loved Ryder and the new crew! Liam, Drak, Cora, and Vetra were all amazing. I understand why some people didn't like Liam, but I loved his character.
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Post by bizantura on Oct 1, 2017 15:56:29 GMT
The "characters" of MEA could not stand up in being the framework that caries Bioware games into excellence. That last piece of magic (character writing) that could mask flaws in other areas is simply not there in this game.
I am very curious if the Dragon Age franchise, at least, can keep this magical character writing intact to a certain degree. The decline is already visible in DAI.
I suppose a culture top-down versus bottom-up has a price and Bioware is a victim of this. Creativity can't flourish in a top-down environment.
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