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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 2, 2017 0:09:22 GMT
Yes, that's true, but Liam did what did without any approval from Ryder or the Andromeda Initiative. I mean, Mass Effect has never seriously tried to in anyway be realistic when it comes to how military and government actually works, but Liam's shenanigans are definitely out there even for Mass Effect. Then again, the Alliance takes back Shepard pretty easily even through he/she was part of a human supremacist terrorist group for awhile. Also, there's Peebee loyalty mission which definitely should have had an option to kick her out of the Tempest by at the end. Mildly Military seems to be MEA's favorite tvtrope. As I said in another post, that is where Liam messed up. His mistake wasn't giving that information, but giving it without clearing it with his superiors first. To be fair, the Andromeda Initiative isn't really a military organization but a civilian one(even Kandros' militia is technically unofficial) so being Mildly Military makes more sense then like in the Shepard Trilogy with the Alliance. Also, true. Still though, we should have had an option to dismiss Liam from the Pathfinder team. Honestly, I think that would probably be good for him. He's probably a better diplomat than a crisis specialist.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2017 0:12:04 GMT
As I said in another post, that is where Liam messed up. His mistake wasn't giving that information, but giving it without clearing it with his superiors first. To be fair, the Andromeda Initiative isn't really a military organization but a civilian one(even Kandros' militia is technically unofficial) so being Mildly Military makes more sense then like in the Shepard Trilogy with the Alliance. Also, true. Still though, we should have had an option to dismiss Liam from the Pathfinder team. Honestly, I think that would probably be good for him. He's probably a better diplomat than a crisis specialist. I agree with that. As for Liam's future, I would like to see him maybe no longer a part of the Pathfinder team but instead heading the Andromeda Branch of HUSTL like he promised his friends before he left, having a role similar to what we saw Bradley doing in a few cases like with Liam's personal quest.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 2, 2017 0:18:41 GMT
Also, true. Still though, we should have had an option to dismiss Liam from the Pathfinder team. Honestly, I think that would probably be good for him. He's probably a better diplomat than a crisis specialist. I agree with that. As for Liam's future, I would like to see him maybe no longer a part of the Pathfinder team but instead heading the Andromeda Branch of HUSTL like he promised his friends before he left, seeing him in a role similar to what we saw Bradley doing in a few cases like Liam's personal quest. That's a good idea too. It's just that Liam seemed the most interesting and compete when he was trying to get along with the Angarans and understand their culture. No one else on the Pathfinder team, including Ryder, seemed so earnestly committed to figuring out the Angarans and bridging the culture gape between them and the Initiative. The soccer match and his weird scene with Jaal were probably main reasons why I don't hate him like a lot of people do.
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Post by aslightjump on Oct 2, 2017 0:22:02 GMT
Liam's panic about the Andromeda Initiative going wrong and him leaving what seemed like a job and family he loved for nothing and doing absolutely everything to make it work dammit to the point of screwing up is something I totally got. I would panic like that. He gives his everything to the Initiative - sometimes a little too much, which you can rightly call him out on and he himself realizes. He's the one to start the post-LM discussion with you about how he screwed up and what he's learned, if I'm not mistaken. Should he be allowed to stay on your ship if you don't want him? Eh, no, but then neither should PeeBee after her own LM.
I don't think the AI is military. I never quite understood how that worked. There's Pathfinder teams that seem to be made up mostly of ex-Alliance/Alien-Species-Equivalent and everybody answers to the Pathfinder, but they're not like completely military? I know they have military, that's what Kandros and the Strike teams are for, plus you can wake military out of cryo. But Pathfinder teams seem to be in a league of their own, like Spectres.
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Post by Guts on Oct 2, 2017 4:55:18 GMT
She was also a pretty serious Mary Sue in the later games, like you said. I thought she was awesome in the first game, but she was terrible after that. (I had to come up with my own theory JUST to fix it) I don't like using the term Mary Sue much because I tend to reserve it for characters that just seem WAY too perfect, to the point where it's just ridiculous From creepy cheerleader to Mary Sue...what a powerful character arc. Actually though my take was she went from being creepy cheereader to just plain boring character. She did virtually nothing in ME 3 except for having kind of a touching scene in the goodbye scenes. I don't think she was creepy in ME1, ok maybe a slight bit, but she crossed the line one too many times in ME2.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 2, 2017 15:04:58 GMT
I thought the characters had potential but were ultimately pretty meh.
Regardless of their background, they all seemed to fixate on one thing: Vetra had her sister, Cora had the asari, Peebee had "RemTech" and so on.
I mean, why couldn't Cora talk more about her time growing up on a freighter? Developing her biotics? Time in the Alliance? Working for Alec? her interest in flowers and gardening? But it's always "Asari this, asari that, my old huntress squad" Even Vetra, with her wildly varied past, always came down to "And that's how I raised my sister"
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 2, 2017 15:44:03 GMT
With AUTHORIZATION, and I bet you they don't provide VITAL informations, like COMMUNICATION CODES. And especially not to random people that you barely know. DUH. And that is where Liam messed up, I agree. However you said that nobody would be dumb enough to give vital information to people from other countries to build trust, so I was pointing out that not only is that not true but it can be a common practice. I think I made myself pretty clear, it's obvious I was talking about "common" people/soldiers, and not the authorities, but maybe you're just bad at interpretation. And messed up is a damn understatement. Nobody would be THAT stupid, and that's what makes Liam's character completely UNbelievable.
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Post by XJlock on Oct 3, 2017 1:18:11 GMT
They were passable.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 3, 2017 15:49:18 GMT
I thought the characters had potential but were ultimately pretty meh. Regardless of their background, they all seemed to fixate on one thing: Vetra had her sister, Cora had the asari, Peebee had "RemTech" and so on. I mean, why couldn't Cora talk more about her time growing up on a freighter? Developing her biotics? Time in the Alliance? Working for Alec? her interest in flowers and gardening? But it's always "Asari this, asari that, my old huntress squad" Even Vetra, with her wildly varied past, always came down to "And that's how I raised my sister" Well, Cora's garden does make an appearance at the end of her arc. But in general, yeah, every character has just one through-line. It's a bit like ME1 in that regard, but ME1 got away with it because it's a shorter game with less dialogue. (I keep coming back to an impression that ME:A was designed to copy from ME1, but somehow they ended up mostly copying the bad parts.)
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Post by Iakus on Oct 3, 2017 20:28:24 GMT
I thought the characters had potential but were ultimately pretty meh. Regardless of their background, they all seemed to fixate on one thing: Vetra had her sister, Cora had the asari, Peebee had "RemTech" and so on. I mean, why couldn't Cora talk more about her time growing up on a freighter? Developing her biotics? Time in the Alliance? Working for Alec? her interest in flowers and gardening? But it's always "Asari this, asari that, my old huntress squad" Even Vetra, with her wildly varied past, always came down to "And that's how I raised my sister" Well, Cora's garden does make an appearance at the end of her arc. But in general, yeah, every character has just one through-line. It's a bit like ME1 in that regard, but ME1 got away with it because it's a shorter game with less dialogue. (I keep coming back to an impression that ME:A was designed to copy from ME1, but somehow they ended up mostly copying the bad parts.) I actually think they're copying more from DAI. But at any rate, you may have a point with ME1 being a shorter game. Andromeda lacked overall dialogue as well as subject matter in proportion to the length of the game.
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Post by LogicGunn on Oct 3, 2017 21:10:16 GMT
I think they are as good as the ME1 squadmates. Realistic traits and flaws, lots of room to grow, some I liked, some I didn't like, all I want to know better. Missing a more renegade character though.
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Post by Guts on Oct 3, 2017 23:17:14 GMT
I think they are as good as the ME1 squadmates. Realistic traits and flaws, lots of room to grow, some I liked, some I didn't like, all I want to know better. Missing a more renegade character though. Agreed on the rarity of renegade choices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 0:53:13 GMT
I think they are as good as the ME1 squadmates. Realistic traits and flaws, lots of room to grow, some I liked, some I didn't like, all I want to know better. Missing a more renegade character though. Agree.
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Post by cypherj on Oct 4, 2017 2:42:50 GMT
I picked meh. They were kind of just there. I honestly found the crew more interesting than the squad.
I liked the characters in ME1 much more. They were more involved in the story and the lore. Ashley came running out last person defending Eden Prime, Garrus was investigating Saren, Tali had the information that proved Saren had gone rogue, Liara's mother was working with Saren. In Andromeda the characters literally just came out of nowhere in the case of Peebee and Drack, and Vetra was kind of just on the ship.
The characters were windows to learning about their races and the races history, the morning war, the rachni war, the genophage, etc. Wrex had strong opinions when it came to what to do with the rachni queen because of what the Krogan went through stopping them the first time. He had strong opinions on what to do with the base on Virmire all the way up to being willing to fight Shepard. Ashley never really trusted the crew to the point where she was willing to kill one of them. As mentioned earlier, Liara's mother was working with Saren. They were just far more involved in the events of the story.
The Squad in ME:A had their own things going on, but they were never rally intertwined into the main story, so they were less interesting to me.
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Post by thedarkprince on Oct 4, 2017 2:50:21 GMT
Fore the most part I thought they were all pretty forgettable....including Ryder.
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Post by mushroomtagger on Oct 4, 2017 6:39:09 GMT
After knowing a Turian named GARRUS kicking mobsters' asses aka archangel. It is hard to feel being impressed again. Almost any other characters have more weight and back story than the new ones. New characters from MEA are alright, all of them are likable. The issue here is the lack of context of the story to create situations and stories that stick to them. So you got them all feeling sort of blend but not bad
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Post by thelonelypoet on Oct 4, 2017 21:16:12 GMT
And speaking of voice acting. They were not bad in Andromeda, I liked Peebee's sweet voice through my disliking of her character, but the original trilogy had some STELLAR performances; Zaeed Massani, Tali + other quarians, Kasumi, Jack and Ashley, they were all memorable. Especially Jack's voice was one of the reason she was always in my team. I loved to hear her lines.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Oct 5, 2017 6:23:50 GMT
The squadmates: Cora: Nice, but went a little overboard with the Asari huntress thing. 7/10 Jaal: Love him. Probably the best writing of all squadmates. Really like how he is a perfect example of an Angra, yet sort of an outsider. He's like a teddy bear version of Garrus. 10/10. would bang if gay. Peebee: Quite like her. I find that having her along in missions where she is not the main focus is really rewarding (best heartfelt reaction when saving the Moshae). The Normandy being a military ship, we never really a TRUE rogue. 10/10, bang her frequently, 0G and otherwise. Vetra: Really like her, but she feels a little bit as Nyren-Light. I can relate to the younger siblçing thing a lot, though, so she gains points. 8/10, would not bang because she is huge and I feel my reach is inadequate. Drack: Cyborg Krogan Badassery FTW, 10/10. Liam: Annoying, nosy, sort of incompetent. Always stand in my way when I"m trying to pew-pew-pew things. 0/10. Non squadmates of note: Lexi: Workaholic, cold and partial top get shitfaced, she is just like me! HOWEVER, having Natalie Dormer as a non romanceable character is cruel by BW. 9/10, would not bang because she doesn't want me. Suvi: Love her, just fucking love her. 10/10, turned into a woman in order to be able to bang her. Kallo: Nice fella, but makes me feel bad about my choices too often. 7/10. Addison: 0/10, wouldn't bang, want to impale her with reegar carbine and roast her slowly from the inside. Kesh: Love her as well, but whenever I happen to not save the Krogan scouts I cringe at the writing of the KROGAN LIVES MATTER speech. That missed the point by a galaxy. 8/10, best npc as long as you make the right choices. Gil: Nice fella, needs better facial hair, way to pushy with macgeriving* shit mid-flight. 7/10. Reyes: 0/10, manipulative bastard from hell! Morda: 5/10, reminds me too much of Wreav. Sloane Kelly. Tries too hard to be a bitch. Kind of fails. Has a cool throne room, though. 4/10 *English REALLY needs a literal translation toi the word "gambiarra"
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Post by Guts on Oct 5, 2017 6:29:41 GMT
The squadmates: Cora: Nice, but went a little overboard with the Asari huntress thing. 7/10 Jaal: Love him. Probably the best writing of all squadmates. Really like how he is a perfect example of an Angra, yet sort of an outsider. He's like a teddy bear version of Garrus. 10/10. would bang if gay. Peebee: Quite like her. I find that having her along in missions where she is not the main focus is really rewarding (best heartfelt reaction when saving the Moshae). The Normandy being a military ship, we never really a TRUE rogue. 10/10, bang her frequently, 0G and otherwise. Vetra: Really like her, but she feels a little bit as Nyren-Light. I can relate to the younger siblçing thing a lot, though, so she gains points. 8/10, would not bang because she is huge and I feel my reach is inadequate. Drack: Cyborg Krogan Badassery FTW, 10/10. Liam: Annoying, nosy, sort of incompetent. Always stand in my way when I"m trying to pew-pew-pew things. 0/10. Non squadmates of note: Lexi: Workaholic, cold and partial top get shitfaced, she is just like me! HOWEVER, having Natalie Dormer as a non romanceable character is cruel by BW. 9/10, would not bang because she doesn't want me. Suvi: Love her, just fucking love her. 10/10, turned into a woman in order to be able to bang her. Kallo: Nice fella, but makes me feel bad about my choices too often. 7/10. Addison: 0/10, wouldn't bang, want to impale her with reegar carbine and roast her slowly from the inside. Kesh: Love her as well, but whenever I happen to not save the Krogan scouts I cringe at the writing of the KROGAN LIVES MATTER speech. That missed the point by a galaxy. 8/10, best npc as long as you make the right choices. Gil: Nice fella, needs better facial hair, way to pushy with macgeriving* shit mid-flight. 7/10. Reyes: 0/10, manipulative bastard from hell!Morda: 5/10, reminds me too much of Wreav. Sloane Kelly. Tries too hard to be a bitch. Kind of fails. Has a cool throne room, though. 4/10 *English REALLY needs a literal translation toi the word "gambiarra" Oh man, you'd probably REALLY hate Griffith from Berserk. (Not the Griffith here on BSN boards)
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Oct 5, 2017 6:32:27 GMT
Oh man, you'd probably REALLY hate Griffith from Berserk. (Not the Griffith here on BSN boards) Never read, watched or played Berserk, but thanks for the heads up.
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Post by Pearl on Oct 5, 2017 7:34:54 GMT
As a whole, bland. Strongly disliked Peebee (the whole "xD im so random and im the writers pet! lol!" thing got old after the very first conversation with her), wasn't too fond of Liam (essentially a frat boy in space, right down to the disgusting couch and walking around shirtless), everyone else was pretty forgettable. I was alright with Vetra and Drack, but even then I didn't really connect with the characters, they were just the most tolerable of the bunch in my opinion.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 5, 2017 10:36:38 GMT
They had enough backstory, but the writers didn't really put them in situations that "break" them down, show the whole BW bonding thing. Kind od like Garrus in ME1 vs. one in ME 2.
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Post by henkiedepost on Oct 5, 2017 10:59:12 GMT
They were kinda forgettable and bland to be honest. I only liked Drack as the squadmate and Cora as the LI, but otherwise I can't really remember anything worth noting from all the dialogue I had with my other squadmates. I guess they weren't really bad (except Suvi), but just forgettable. They didn't really come close to the original crew.
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Post by vallixas on Oct 9, 2017 12:57:00 GMT
Ryder - Bad attempt at Nathan Drake. Cora - Ashley, without the banter to make up for her shortcomings. Liam - I'm thinking back to all of the Fallouts, Skyrim, Witcher and all of the rpgs i've recently played and I can't think of a worse follower. By Skyrim I of course refer to Serana. 7 year old game and by Bethesda of all studios, better developed character than Andromeda's roster. Drack - Probably the closest I can get to liking atleast one of the followers, still poor character standing next to Wrex or Grunt. Sam - Every time he spoke I desperately wanted EDI back even if it meant tolerating her and jokers ''relationship''
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 9, 2017 13:10:06 GMT
"But...but....it's because you DIED!!1!eleventy-one!" But what if someone didn't romance her, then it's just creepy. Let's also not forget about the bit where she enshrines your armor in her apartment. (She had some pretty unhealthy behavior in ME2 and people were totally fine with it, that's where I start to get irritated.) There was a scene from ME1 where you choose Ashley over Liara, in that case, Liara admit's that she mistook your kindness (If you showed any) for romantic attraction and recognizes that it was her fault for the misunderstanding and asks to just be friends and move on. Well apparently that gets thrown out the window in ME2. Oh God! I totally forgot about that. Liara is such a freaking creep. Liara needs to be purged with Bolter fire and chopped to pieces with a Chainsword.
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