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Post by PillarBiter on Oct 9, 2017 13:25:09 GMT
Hmm, interesting question. As ever in any mass effect game, there's a range of character 'blandness'
Personal opinion: I never liked peebee. I like vetra, but for some reason can't love her (must be my phobia of scales). The vetra-sid relation is fantastic, though. Drack is just incredible start to finish. Jaco-... Liam, ugh. I hate his... everything, really. An annoying character, and would've spaced him after his loyalty mission if I'd gotten the chance. Cora is only really good if you romance her. Jaal is all around great, but not on Drack's level of awesomeness. Kallo is just loveable. Gil's a Dick. Spacing-material right after Liam. Suvi is... allright I guess. She's got the looks and accent going for her, which is nice, but the god-thing kills it for me. Lexi is meh. Just can't seem to care about her, neither good nor bad. SAM is right up there with Drack. Splendid start to finish. Ryder twin is ok, I guess. But I'm sad we didn't get to go on adventures together. The bond wasn't as developed as I'd have hoped, and thus I couldn't find as much urgency to save him/her in the final mission. Ryder him/herself then: I loved maleryder. Femryder was meh. Maybe it's just because I find it awkward to roleplay as a woman, but I appreciated maleryder's delivery a lot more throughout the game. I really like his development, as he grows from boy to confident ship captain (and mass murderer) over the course of the game.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Oct 18, 2017 15:37:22 GMT
Alright...
Kallo: he was ok... weird, but ok. Suvi: i didn't like her voice (yeah, i can see the mob with pitchforks coming), meh material Pewe: this is crack she was weird, she could act professional 1 sec then act like a spoiled brat the next, didn't like her, but she is my canon LI, cuz... reasons. Drack: Badass Lexi: good enough Cora: 3.5/10 could use less asari comando talks. Jaal: 6/10 not enough alien, but kind of a cool guy Vetra: she was good, got the feeling that she was left with less character development than the others. Liam: He was weird, he was supporting in the beginning and then a total idiot at the end. Best Loyalty mission tho'. Gil the Grill: ugh... just ugh. too smug. Broryder: like his VO, shame that he can't be more "renegade", but i liked the casual responses, kinda of reminds me of Hawke. Sisryder: didn't like her VO or her deliver of the lines, same issue as her brother.
With all considered: this crew was Meh
it's just an opinion, dear reader.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 18, 2017 18:13:20 GMT
Suvi: i didn't like her voice (yeah, i can see the mob with pitchforks coming), meh material
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Post by Vall on Oct 18, 2017 19:27:47 GMT
Suvi: i didn't like her voice (yeah, i can see the mob with pitchforks coming), meh material
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Oct 18, 2017 23:31:41 GMT
Ryder: Enjoyable main character. Not to everyone's tastes, but they were IMO right not to try and make Ryder into another Superman\James Bond character like Sheperd. The biggest problem I have is that Ryder's jokey, easy going nature often jars with the serious events going on. I would have liked Ryder to be more like Thomas Magnum or Michael Knight from the 80's classics Magnum and Knightrider. Easy going, but with a edge and darkness when called for.
Liam: I quite like Liam, but as with all the characters his conversations on the Tempest are forgettable. I like him for bringing a dose of British realism. Tells it like it is, calls people out on their bull tact be damned and shows good compassion and 'We'll get it done somehow' spirit when the chips are down. However like many of the characters written by this author, he often has a rather odd and roundabout way of expressing himself that can make him a little hard to follow at times. His role is also ill defined as his combat skillset and weapons doesn't seem to fit his SWAT esque backstory much. His loyalty is the best mission in the game, but I felt he needed a more prominent role - fistfighting kett soldiers on top of speeding transports, crashing through windows etc etc.
Cora: One of the worst characters IMO. Her whole look and stiff attitude screamed Arnold Rimmer, but without any of hilarity or oddly endearing underdog status. The party does need sensible professionals, but she takes it too far often seeming like a killjoy who points out stuff that people already knew. I think after Dragon Age's interminable mage templar arc and Miranda\Kaiden etc wangsting over Biotics and the pressure of achievement etc, I was in the absolute wrong frame of mind for a character like this. Her absurd attitude in her loyalty mission also didn't help, handing out absolute moral judgement over what was the only sensible decision. Like Alistair, but with none of the charm. Just a bad character all round, a poor man's Aveline and frankly its hard too see any easy fixes for this. She's just a real chore to have around. And this is coming from someone who *likes* serious characters!
Anyway, that's enough for now.
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Post by sungrey on Oct 19, 2017 4:39:54 GMT
I liked Drack, particularly when he laments about the challenges of being so long-lived, like having a lot of body parts replaced due to 1,300+ years of life as a warrior. i think many humans would like to live as long as Asari or Krogan, but they don't understand how hard such a long life could be. As we age, many of us are going to live with some form of pain (hopefully only mild to moderate), but imagine living for centuries with back, knee, neck or other physical issues. Not to mention the emotional pain of losing friends and loved ones when you're only 200 and you have 800-1,000 more years of life left.
Cora was OK. Her constant Asari worship got tiring, though. At least she came off as an adult, unlike Manic Pixie Girl PeeBee.
The rest of the squad mates are forgettable, IMO.
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Post by General Mahad on Oct 23, 2017 14:34:41 GMT
The "characters" of MEA could not stand up in being the framework that caries Bioware games into excellence. That last piece of magic (character writing) that could mask flaws in other areas is simply not there in this game. I am very curious if the Dragon Age franchise, at least, can keep this magical character writing intact to a certain degree. The decline is already visible in DAI. I suppose a culture top-down versus bottom-up has a price and Bioware is a victim of this. Creativity can't flourish in a top-down environment. Decline in DAI? Solas? Cassandra? Varric? Dorian? Cole? Just to name a few? You consider their characterizations a decline? Yeah i’m confused by this, the characters and NPCs of Inquisition are incredibly three dimensional and not just limited to their core idea. Even Sera, whom I loathe with a passion, has more depth than the vast majority of the squadmates of Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:03:16 GMT
Really liked Liam's development over the course of the game. Came to dislike Jaal due to his romance. Drack and Vetra were awesome. I need to romance Cora to get some spark out of her, but I like the rose garden. Peebee's sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, her quest does not really help her to become more likable. Really like Gil's personality, but Jill's story is annoying. Don't like Suvi. Adore Kalo. Lexi seems to get commented on a lot, but I don't really notice her much. I felt Peebee's loyalty mission was the weakest imho, which is ironic considering Peebs was my favorite character, but thats due to the lack of any real tension between Peebs and Ryder and considering how Kalinda was established and how she sends armed mercs to kill you and take your implants, most people wouldn't hesitate to shoot her at the end. I did not hesitate to shoot her in the end, so, yes the moral conflict did not exist for me. Mainly I just did not like doing multiple tiny sidequests in this mission. If it were just "meet Kalinda", "fight over the artifact" and then do the volcanic mission I'd be fine. I also would have replaced the moral conflict with having an option to clandestinely kill Kalinda after you have arrested her AND you have the artifact. When she is defeated, and if nobody would know, even PeeBee, and it's not an impulsive decision, then it becomes an actual choice. Overall, I think my biggest problem with PeeBee is that I simply have a hard time believing she is a successful scientist. If the roles were reversed, and Kalinda was a serious scientist and PeeBee was spirited girlfriend/treasure hunter "assistant" of hers, I'd buy it, and be more interested in those two characters, and in someone who is not exactly nice on my team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:07:41 GMT
Decline in DAI? Solas? Cassandra? Varric? Dorian? Cole? Just to name a few? You consider their characterizations a decline? Yeah i’m confused by this, the characters and NPCs of Inquisition are incredibly three dimensional and not just limited to their core idea. Even Sera, whom I loathe with a passion, has more depth than the vast majority of the squadmates of Andromeda. I see Dorian's complexity, but not Solas, Cassandra, Varric or Cole. They all have one shtick. Solas is a mystic; Cassandra loses her faith all game long; Varric is gods know why there at all save for DA2 catch-up (really, they could have added it to the codex entries. What's other thirty or hundred scrolls pinned to walls and rocks?); and Cole is creepy and cryptic. Dorian, Solas and Cassandra were not boring to me because I liked them, but the rest of them were. I mean, Iron Bull and Blackwall tie up for the worst character I have seen in a game; no redeeming features whatsoever. That's if Cole never existed. I'd trade that trio for Jacob. Cullen and Josephine relegated to a sideshow to accommodate Sera, Blackwall and Bull was a bad idea imo. They really should have put Varric and Leliana in the sideshow roles, cut out Sera, BW, and Bull, and put Cullen and Josephine on the cast, making Josephine an elf. She looks like one anyway. And, yeah, Cole... as useless as he is pointless. Right, that Vivienne was like... very unneeded as well, particular with the Real Witch being forced down our throats later in the game. Did you all real cared for hunting her white wyvern remedy in a giant swamp? Like everything in DAI, the cast was ocean wide, puddle deep, and frigging inconvenient to interact with in that godawful gigantic place of three thousand doors. That's me though. Other people loved it.
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Post by jamiecotc on Oct 24, 2017 16:22:39 GMT
My two favorite characters outside of Ryder were Suvie and Kalo. They both felt far more well rounded than anyone else despite not having as much dialogue. Maybe that's the key? Less dialogue would force the writers to be more creative. I like that they made Liam a fuckup, but he needed to grow beyond that and he didn't.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 24, 2017 18:04:59 GMT
My two favorite characters outside of Ryder were Suvie and Kalo. They both felt far more well rounded than anyone else despite not having as much dialogue. Maybe that's the key? Less dialogue would force the writers to be more creative. I like that they made Liam a fuckup, but he needed to grow beyond that and he didn't. That's what I liked so much about DA2's multi-stage companion quests. We get that Fenris is a broody elf that is angry at Tevinter and is running from his former master, but having the quest come to us in bits over time allows him to grow and for us to determine how he turns out in a meaningful way. I think Andromeda could have done well with something of that nature for him.
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Post by abedsbrother on Oct 24, 2017 20:07:54 GMT
Meh overall.
Ryder - meh. Too nice to be a leader (people walk out of his meetings without waiting to be dismissed!), but too special (because of SAM) to be an "everyman." Always feel a bit of fraud wearing the N7 armor. Though being able to have a "romance in every port" was all right if that's why people play MEA.
Liam - annoying jerk. Too optimistic ("If you take a chance for the right reason, it's supposed to work" lol wut?) - whyTF was he made a part of the pathfinder team? Also, he adopts a "holier than thou" attitude towards Vetra. Fuck Liam. Peebee - "discount Liara" who develops into a decent character if you complete her (very long) quest tree. Problem is, if she's judged on her (annoying) first impression, few will want to (telling her to get off is the best interrupt in the game). Her romance is decent as well. Vetra - Gave me flashbacks to the OT. One of the best written (and voiced) characters in MEA. Romance was awkward and oddly not endearing. Cora - ASARI COMMANDO. Not much more to her than that. And her voice is flat and generally emotionless. (I had the same criticism of her VA in the original Witcher game). Too emotionally dependent on others (whether Alec Ryder or Serissa). WhyTF did Alec pick her as his #2? She's completely unsuited to be a leader, even a backup leader. Drack - discount Wrex whose good banter with squad-mates can't make up for zero character progression. He just IS. He doesn't go anywhere. The krogan voice-acting in his loyalty mission is some of the worst I've heard. Jaal - new-universe Garrus. Decent character with good struggles and complications, but lacks development. While we help Jaal solve his problems, he's still the same Jaal. We helped Garrus and got to see him grow from a pissed-off C-sec officer into someone who can fulfill his purpose (Dr. Heart mission). Taken further (over the course of OT), we get to see him blossom into a merc / military man who was feared in his own right. No progression (or promise of progression) like that for Jaal: Sure we defeat Aksul, and meet Jaal's mom, but Jaal absolutely should have taken the promotion and moved on. Perhaps in MEA2 we would have seen him in a more important role but not a squadmate, in much the same way that Wrex journied from disgruntled merc to clan-leader. Yes, MEA is one game, not three, but there's no promise of Jaal becoming anything more than he is (unless I missed something).
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Post by Cassandra on Oct 30, 2017 6:15:58 GMT
Although it has been quite a while since I've played Andromeda, one thing I remember being an unfortunate stand out is how comparable many of the characters were to the original cast. That inevitably led me to comparing them against said characters, which never allowed them to breathe. Drack, for all his awesome moments, felt similar to Wrex, except less interesting; Vetra never really shook off the "female Garrus" vibe and Cora has potential but fell into a less abrasiveness Ashley role. Jaal definitely had moments, though he too felt like Tali, albeit more in the role he served than his personality.
Basically, they didn't develop beyond templates. Perhaps I do need to go back and see if that opinion has changed.
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 30, 2017 14:31:07 GMT
I thought they were good. But certainly not memorable like many other Bioware companions are. And I don't feel any sort of 'bond' with any of them, like I do with companions from other games. They just don't 'touch me' -so to speak- deep enough.
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 30, 2017 20:25:51 GMT
Compared only to ME1, the Andromeda cast definitely had more time devoted specifically to developing them. Kaidan and Ashley didn't even have a proto-loyalty mission while Liam and Cora each had a full one. I was looking forward to seeing where everyone would go, but the reception the game got probably means they'll mostly be cameos next time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2017 20:28:35 GMT
Compared only to ME1, the Andromeda cast definitely had more time devoted specifically to developing them. Kaidan and Ashley didn't even have a proto-loyalty mission while Liam and Cora each had a full one. I was looking forward to seeing where everyone would go, but the reception the game got probably means they'll mostly be cameos next time. Me too, and that would suck.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 30, 2017 22:05:09 GMT
Its likely we might get a lot of cameos even if the game was successful. Look at ME 2 and DA 2 especially.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 19:25:15 GMT
Overall, I'm gonna go with good. Not quite up to par with the OT, but tremendously better than the rest of the bullshit AAA trash that gets pushed out there.
I feel like this poll is a bit limiting however, which I understand given the constraints of the board. Let me go into some detail... 1. Vetra: Easily the best character in ME:A. She had the most interesting personality and backstory as well as the best romance. She wasn't quite as good as Tali, but I'll let that slide as it wouldn't be possible to beat best space waifu. 2. Jaal: Second best in ME:A. Takes my second spot for personality, backstory, and romance. He managed to be unique and present a cool, "outsider" perspective. He is no Garrus, but different and unique in a good way. 3. Drack: Third place for everyone's favorite krogan grandpa. Liked him more than Wrex or Grunt in the OT. Best krogan squaddy so far. 4. Peebee: She was a pretty good character in her own right. Better than Liara and not so forced onto the PC as Liara was. Her character and backstory were interesting and I found her likable. Plus, full frontal nudity romance scene and a pretty good romance ark to boot. 5. Ryder: I felt I could relate to to Ryder far more than Shepard. Shepard was a badass powertrip fantasy whilst Ryder was someone actually relatable. Ryder reacted to things like I would and said things that I would as well. Ryder is the better protagonist due to the level of relatability. 6. Liam: I know everyone loves to hate on Liam and say that he is a shitty character, but he is not. Liam may be a fuckup, he may be naive, and he may be a dick to best space raptor waifu, but he is actually an overall good character. He actual had a personality to like or hate, unlike Jacob or Kaidan. 7. Cora: Resident weabloo. She is very annoying with the overbearing asari and biotic talk, but a decent character under the cringe. Still would take Miranda or Ashley over her. I really hope to see more of Ryder and the crew, but I have a feeling that the amount of REEEEEEEEEEE ME:A's haters stirred up prolly 86'd that.
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Post by Guts on Nov 10, 2017 3:50:12 GMT
Overall, I'm gonna go with good. Not quite up to par with the OT, but tremendously better than the rest of the bullshit AAA trash that gets pushed out there.
I feel like this poll is a bit limiting however, which I understand given the constraints of the board. Let me go into some detail... 1. Vetra: Easily the best character in ME:A. She had the most interesting personality and backstory as well as the best romance. She wasn't quite as good as Tali, but I'll let that slide as it wouldn't be possible to beat best space waifu. 2. Jaal: Second best in ME:A. Takes my second spot for personality, backstory, and romance. He managed to be unique and present a cool, "outsider" perspective. He is no Garrus, but different and unique in a good way. 3. Drack: Third place for everyone's favorite krogan grandpa. Liked him more than Wrex or Grunt in the OT. Best krogan squaddy so far. 4. Peebee: She was a pretty good character in her own right. Better than Liara and not so forced onto the PC as Liara was. Her character and backstory were interesting and I found her likable. Plus, full frontal nudity romance scene and a pretty good romance ark to boot. 5. Ryder: I felt I could relate to to Ryder far more than Shepard. Shepard was a badass powertrip fantasy whilst Ryder was someone actually relatable. Ryder reacted to things like I would and said things that I would as well. Ryder is the better protagonist due to the level of relatability. 6. Liam: I know everyone loves to hate on Liam and say that he is a shitty character, but he is not. Liam may be a fuckup, he may be naive, and he may be a dick to best space raptor waifu, but he is actually an overall good character. He actual had a personality to like or hate, unlike Jacob or Kaidan. 7. Cora: Resident weabloo. She is very annoying with the overbearing asari and biotic talk, but a decent character under the cringe. Still would take Miranda or Ashley over her. I really hope to see more of Ryder and the crew, but I have a feeling that the amount of REEEEEEEEEEE ME:A's haters stirred up prolly 86'd that. That's my stance on the characters in ME:A. I don't think they're the best characters ever, but I still found them memorable and the Nomad banter helped out in this regard. Agree so much on Peebee. (I still think she got more romance time compared to other LI's but I liked how her romance contributed to her character arc unlike Liara where the only constant was her stalkerish crush on Shepard, which was especially bad in LoTSB, and how she's suddenly your best friend in the later games, even if you treated her like garbage in ME1)
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Post by yeah rip on Nov 12, 2017 0:26:32 GMT
Good. Not Amazing, but no different from the other sets of companions. All games have some blander characters and some who are more interesting.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 12, 2017 1:26:40 GMT
If only MEA had less haters due to it actually being a very good game... still want to see Drack again, that Med-Bay talk was dope and one of the few memorable things here.
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Post by Zemgus on Nov 12, 2017 17:03:57 GMT
I voted "bad." Only one that I really liked was Pelessaria. She was distinctively different from others and definitely in a good way. Vetra and Cora both seemed interesting at first and especially Vetra's introduction was quite good, but both turned out to be somewhat shallow characters. Too much of their character arc revolved around one theme or character (Vetra's sister and Cora's history with the asari).
Drack was a fine krogan character and again I really liked his introduction. His banter with other companions was often hilarious. However his role in the story turned out to be somewhat boring. Maybe because I thought the krogan storyline was kind of convoluted, contradictory and weird. I really disliked it for the most part so that's probably why I didn't like Drack's story all that much either. Jaal was the same. Seemed like a cool character. I like his deep husky voice. I thought the Angaran were too human like in their behavior and their story wasn't exactly exciting either - partly due to lack of meaningful options (huge issue throughout this game) and different approaches to the situation with them.
Liam's attitude was really annoying to me even more so because you couldn't really get angry at him or tell him to leave after compromising the entire Initiative with his stupidity. Not especially great character, just there for the comic relief every now and again.
All those companions I really didn't care about any of them. They just rarely had anything interesting to say and quickly grew too bored to even want to talk to them. Pelessaria was the one bright light for me. Cora was actually pretty good too, once you got to know her better. Still not nearly as interesting as Miranda or Ashley though.
Ryder was probably the worst part of Andromeda for me. Their background and personality seemed to be pretty much fixed and the dialogue "options" were 80% of the time just the same thing said in a different way. There was also the constant character defining autodialogue that really annoyed me. Ryder was probably honestly the single worst thing of MEA to me and really just ruined the game.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 14, 2017 0:59:43 GMT
I like all of the characters, though Liam took a lot of work. His romance arc finally allowed me to hurdle the challenges. He was always believably written. I just wanted to kick his ass and fire him. I suspect that all of the "these characters are boring" talk comes down to persons only playing the game once. It's impossible to fully appreciate the content during a single PT. I'm still experiencing new banter, which brings character development, in my 8th full PT. I'd elaborate more, but my device is about to run out of battery power. ☹️ This crew is much better developed than our cherished friends aboard Normandy SR1. The Tempest crew could be great, given more time together. Yeah I like all the characters too I don't think any are as good as the trilogies characters with the exception of Drack and maybe Jaal but they all have their unique points to them.
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Post by HYR on Nov 14, 2017 18:36:42 GMT
Initial grades of the squad/crew, 1 - 10 (5 = average/C).
Jaal: 8 Drack: 9 Peebee: 7 Cora: 6 Liam: 4 Vetra: 6 --- Gil: 5 Lexi: 7 Kallo: 4 Suvi: 6
Averages out to 6.2 if my math is right. Seems right. 'Just an okay cast IMO.
Note: opinion of characters is subject to change through subsequent plays.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 17, 2017 4:50:15 GMT
Didn't completely love any of them, didn't completely hate any of them. Vetra and Drack where my favorites though. To the people complaining about Cora and Liam, hey at least they aren't nearly as boring as Kaidan. If we're expanding outside crew, Dr. Lexi was probably my least favorite character overall. Shame I wanted to like her.
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