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Post by tacsear on Oct 2, 2017 18:59:26 GMT
Those things you listed are done in DAI as well. Well, other than the franken-mom thing but they have plenty to replace that. They're done in codex mostly. Which isn't the same. I remember being horrified the first time I played Origins and I went to Arl Howes basement. Where in DA:I do you ever get that? You don't. Because everything has to be all bright and cheery to appease the masses. This one made a similar impact on me. It's so unnerving.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2017 19:00:30 GMT
Those things you listed are done in DAI as well. Well, other than the franken-mom thing but they have plenty to replace that. They're done in codex mostly. Which isn't the same. I remember being horrified the first time I played Origins and I went to Arl Howes basement. Where in DA:I do you ever get that? You don't. Because everything has to be all bright and cheery to appease the masses. You get that if you do In Hushed Whispers. Leliana is being tortured and interrogated, as well as a Chantry sister who you hear tortured to death right before you can save her(making it eve darker than Howe's fungeon since in that you can save everybody in there). That's just one example.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Oct 2, 2017 19:14:02 GMT
I'd like something unexpected, like DA4 coming out next year and being set in Rivain or somewhere. Do a character based story like DA2 and leave all that Solas stuff till DA5.
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Post by tacsear on Oct 2, 2017 19:17:35 GMT
I'd like something unexpected, like DA4 coming out next year and being set in Rivain or somewhere. Do a character based story like DA2 and leave all that Solas stuff till DA5. It will grow cold probably. Better to do it now rather than it FADE away.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 2, 2017 19:22:09 GMT
You call that dark? I call references to rape, scenes of apparent torture, your Mother being made a zombie bride Dark. A giant spider doesn't even come close! You don't get to see the character you sacrifice die. So, in all honesty, Hawke (or an alternative) might still be leading an eternal battle with the demon in the Fade transforming into a demon or spirit him/herself. What cutscene did you watch? The one I saw had Stroud fight for a few seconds, then drop, presumably due to Nightmare's poison.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:23:44 GMT
You don't get to see the character you sacrifice die. So, in all honesty, Hawke (or an alternative) might still be leading an eternal battle with the demon in the Fade transforming into a demon or spirit him/herself. What cutscene did you watch? The one I saw had Stroud fight for a few seconds, then drop, presumably due to Nightmare's poison. I had Stroud once, and Hawke the second time. In either case I did not see the character die, just charge. Nothing like when Cailan and Duncan die.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 2, 2017 19:26:01 GMT
What cutscene did you watch? The one I saw had Stroud fight for a few seconds, then drop, presumably due to Nightmare's poison. I had Stroud once, and Hawke the second time. In either case I did not see the character die, just charge. Maybe get your eyes checked. He clearly drops to the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:27:17 GMT
I had Stroud once, and Hawke the second time. In either case I did not see the character die, just charge. Maybe get your eyes checked. He clearly drops to the ground. It's nothing like when Cailan and Duncan die on the battlefield. If they brought either back, a-la ending of Grunt's cutscene in ME, I would not bat an eyelash.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 2, 2017 19:28:15 GMT
Yeah, I always found Cailan's death a little goofy. The ogre just squeezes him like a ripe fruit. Like, rip his head off or something.
Also, you don't see Duncan actually die either, which spawned dozens of "Duncan didn't die" theorizing over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:34:05 GMT
Yeah, I always found Cailan's death a little goofy. The ogre just squeezes him like a ripe fruit. Like, rip his head off or something. Also, you don't see Duncan actually die either, which spawned dozens of "Duncan didn't die" theorizing over the years. I liked it in that it created a huge emotional drive for me to slice Loghain to little pieces, particularly after recovering Cailan's body. I really liked him (Cailan). And Alistair was more thorough in mourning Duncan than Varric was about Hawke.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 2, 2017 19:34:31 GMT
I agree that Dragon Age 4 should have a darker tone than DA4, but to say DAI was all sweetness and light is just unfair. The way some people talk, it was My Little Dragon: The Fade is Magic.
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 2, 2017 19:37:14 GMT
They're done in codex mostly. Which isn't the same. I remember being horrified the first time I played Origins and I went to Arl Howes basement. Where in DA:I do you ever get that? You don't. Because everything has to be all bright and cheery to appease the masses. This one made a similar impact on me. It's so unnerving. Same here. Talking to him, listening to him......It made me tear up the first time I played through it. But that sort of impactfulness is missing from Inquisition overall. We need more moments like in this video. More dark elements, which aren't contained in a codex.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:38:36 GMT
I agree that Dragon Age 4 should have a darker tone than DA4, but to say DAI was all sweetness and light is just unfair. The way some people talk, it was My Little Pony: Inquisition. For me it was more like this: something I hope DA4 avoids, no matter if it is a dark hole of despair or a bundle of laughs, as long as it is pulling on some emotional strings and keeps me glued to my desk to see what happens next.
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 2, 2017 19:45:34 GMT
They're done in codex mostly. Which isn't the same. I remember being horrified the first time I played Origins and I went to Arl Howes basement. Where in DA:I do you ever get that? You don't. Because everything has to be all bright and cheery to appease the masses. You get that if you do In Hushed Whispers. Leliana is being tortured and interrogated, as well as a Chantry sister who you hear tortured to death right before you can save her(making it eve darker than Howe's fungeon since in that you can save everybody in there). That's just one example. I don't usually do that quest line, and you are correct. But still, Inquisition lacks that sense of desperation and 'at war' feel, overall.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 2, 2017 19:47:23 GMT
Think of how much funnier ... I mean, horribly traumatizing it would have been if the ogre had indeed ripped Cailan's head off, and instead of just recovering his body in Return to Ostagar, you also had to recover his head? *snicker*
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2017 19:49:35 GMT
I agree that Dragon Age 4 should have a darker tone than DA4, but to say DAI was all sweetness and light is just unfair. The way some people talk, it was My Little Dragon: The Fade is Magic. Man, those D3 loot maps were crazy. Murdering Unicorns and causing clouds to bleed.
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 2, 2017 19:50:24 GMT
Think of how much funnier ... I mean, horribly traumatizing it would have been if the ogre had indeed ripped Cailan's head off, and instead of just recovering his body in Return to Ostagar, you also had to recover his head? *snicker* You are a terrible person. *Snickers*
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Post by themikefest on Oct 2, 2017 20:19:38 GMT
I like for them to do what was done for MEA. Have all who worked on the game autograph the guidebook.
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2017 20:26:05 GMT
Leliana being tortured with her face like that and codex detailing they were flaying her for experiments was pretty dark. Envy Demon Cullen having his neck slit was pretty dark. Lady being observed as being raped by codex was pretty dark. Sacrifice of the Wardens was dark, especially if it was that fresh eyed recruit you sent their way.
Tranquil killing himself was pretty dark. All the executions and the begging for their lives was pretty dark.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 2, 2017 20:59:52 GMT
What I want from DA4 is a return to for to the darker roots of Dragon Age. Please demonstrate, in detail, how DA I diverted from Dragon Age's dark roots. I want people to stop opening new threads for their wishes and use already existing ones. If there is another thread like this the mods are more then capable of merging them and I even encourage it. Those things you listed are done in DAI as well. Well, other than the franken-mom thing but they have plenty to replace that. They're done in codex mostly. Which isn't the same. I remember being horrified the first time I played Origins and I went to Arl Howes basement. Where in DA:I do you ever get that? You don't. Because everything has to be all bright and cheery to appease the masses. The only time that DA O ever horrified me was the Broodmother. The only time that DA 2 bothered me was the zombie mother scene. And sure there is not any scene in Inquisition neccessarily to that degree, but that makes the mistake a lot of people seem to make of an 'all or nothing' approach to content in fiction. Because Inquisition is a very dark game. It is a game with mass murder, body torture, torture with red lyrium (multiple times), mass graves, etc. etc.
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2017 21:02:31 GMT
colfoleyThere is a stickied speculation thread that has run the gamut and just goes round cycle like now through wants, who we think will be in it, what plot threads will be explored, when the game will come out. But there are no rules about starting your own thread if you want more directed attention
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Post by colfoley on Oct 2, 2017 21:05:21 GMT
colfoley There is a stickied speculation thread that has run the gamut and just goes round cycle like now through wants, who we think will be in it, what plot threads will be explored, when the game will come out. But there are no rules about starting your own thread if you want more directed attention Ah, just thought I missed a similar thread, no I do not want this to be merged with general speculation.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 2, 2017 22:13:12 GMT
What I want from DA4 is a return to for to the darker roots of Dragon Age. Please demonstrate, in detail, how DA I diverted from Dragon Age's dark roots. I want people to stop opening new threads for their wishes and use already existing ones. If there is another thread like this the mods are more then capable of merging them and I even encourage it. They're done in codex mostly. Which isn't the same. I remember being horrified the first time I played Origins and I went to Arl Howes basement. Where in DA:I do you ever get that? You don't. Because everything has to be all bright and cheery to appease the masses. The only time that DA O ever horrified me was the Broodmother. The only time that DA 2 bothered me was the zombie mother scene. And sure there is not any scene in Inquisition neccessarily to that degree, but that makes the mistake a lot of people seem to make of an 'all or nothing' approach to content in fiction. Because Inquisition is a very dark game. It is a game with mass murder, body torture, torture with red lyrium (multiple times), mass graves, etc. etc. I think it has been explained enough how DAI is more of a tell and bot show game instead of a show and not tell game like DAO and DA2. YOU may not see that but it is generally accepted that DAI has a lighter tone than the previous 2 games. Even a lot of people here pointed out many examples.
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Post by midnightwolf on Oct 2, 2017 23:21:35 GMT
What I want from DA4 is a return to for to the darker roots of Dragon Age. Please demonstrate, in detail, how DA I diverted from Dragon Age's dark roots. I want people to stop opening new threads for their wishes and use already existing ones. If there is another thread like this the mods are more then capable of merging them and I even encourage it. They're done in codex mostly. Which isn't the same. I remember being horrified the first time I played Origins and I went to Arl Howes basement. Where in DA:I do you ever get that? You don't. Because everything has to be all bright and cheery to appease the masses. The only time that DA O ever horrified me was the Broodmother. The only time that DA 2 bothered me was the zombie mother scene. And sure there is not any scene in Inquisition neccessarily to that degree, but that makes the mistake a lot of people seem to make of an 'all or nothing' approach to content in fiction. Because Inquisition is a very dark game. It is a game with mass murder, body torture, torture with red lyrium (multiple times), mass graves, etc. etc. Oh Maker, don't even go there. That's a night terror I'd rather forget. To the rest of your post: It's the way Inquisition is executed. Everything -no matter what- comes across as being 'okay' when it shouldn't. I think the most truly horrifying scene I saw in this game was, the Red Lyrium growing out of someone. And that's during a main quest I don't usually do.
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Post by duskwanderer on Oct 3, 2017 0:45:20 GMT
I think people who just want dark just want it for the sake of dark. Most people cite Game of Thrones, but honestly, I stopped reading it very quickly. I can only read about so many skinned women, raped children and such before I throw the book down and say "Just meteor the damn thing."
I want to CARE about the characters, I need to WANT them to succeed. That's not going to happen if the characters are just dark as hell, even if they have a reason for it. The reason better be damn well convincing. In fact, the Warden was the character I cared about the least in the whole game. He was little more than a plot device the second we made it to Ostagar. The murderknife sequences were little more than a giggle on YouTube, never something I did in a playthrough. Stir my emotions. It doesn't need to be a grand movement. Make me feel good, make me feel like I did something great. Hell, just make me laugh for a second. I don't want a story I don't care about.
That's what I'd like to see. I'm okay with the setting as Tevinter, but since the place is supposed to be foreign to other places in Thedas, I think the protagonist is going to have to be an outsider.
I'd like to be able to customize skills. Some of the coolest parts in Inquisition was being able to use the perks to open up new dialogues, since they were interesting. Give me these as skills I can gain through quests or spending points.
Make stealth mean something again. It was right useless after Origins.
If I'm going to make choices, the devs need to make the effort to make both choices meaningful. In DA:I, I was given no reason to side with the templars. Cullen said it could help the Breach, but I was never told anything about how the templars look up to the Inquisitor until after I decided to go on the mission.
In the same vein, do not force me to think a certain way if I don't support someone. If I didn't support the Arishok in DA2, I had to be a religious zealot. I just thought they were dangerous.
Give me new characters. Previous party members should be limited to cameos only. If they are party members from previous games, make sure it's characters with bit roles.
Make my main character mean something different from the others. This is the character I take my time in customizing, so don't make them just some schmuck. Let me feel different from the NPCs.
Make the story epic in scope, with a clearly defined endpoint. Throw in curveballs, but never let me forget what I'm supposed to be doing.
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