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Post by midnight tea on Nov 4, 2017 15:01:13 GMT
Huh, you're making it sound like side-quests is all that matters. But last time I checked DAI is remembered for what DA was always remembered for - great story and characters, deep lore and detailed world. Except I didn't. That's why everyone didn't want a DAI in space with all of the padding that game had? Yeah, that's what it's remembered for. No one is still talking about this game as if it had raised the bar or anything, unlike others, it didn't have that impact. That's the whole point. You certainly implied it. All you're talking about in past comment is side-questing. Also - everyone didn't want DAI with 'all the padding'? Strange then that DAI was, as far as we know, the fastest and best selling DA chapter to date. Also - what's with the bizarre notion that this is some sort of competition and the game that "wins" is the one everybody is talking about or consider to be "raising the bar"? What kind of childish ranking is that? Can't the game be a great game not by focusing on pushing the barriers, but laying the groundwork or simply telling a story? Nobody is talking about Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 anymore too and they were the games that laid groundwork not just for its finale (TW3), but how people remember the series. And DA is still an ongoing one. Also - from what I've seen people are indeed talking about DAI, especially its story, lore or character aspects. They also seem pretty stoked for DA4 because of them.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 4, 2017 17:41:07 GMT
I knew this was going to be the response. If you look beyond just naked women, the whole point is that the scene depicts the worst parts of humanity and the results of evil/corrupt people. The naked women serves as a personal way of hitting across the message that Whoreson Jr is a bad man and the naked women is just a way to add more emotional anger at the dude and really have the player feel that same hate for the guy that Geralt has. However if you just saw naked women then Im sorry, I cannot help that you cant see the emotional message behind the naked bodies and all you see is naked dead ladies. Either way, it is still an example to show that CDPR isnt afriad to add such content even if it offends people. DA2 did it much better because of the simple fact that the serial killer kidnapped and experimented on the protagonists' mother . Hawke's (even sarcastic Hawke!) reaction and fallout to me will always more emotional impact than a bunch of naked women of no names that are decorated over a villain that I've very little reason to care about. To honest, Whoreson Junior is an example of darkness gone wrong to the point where I consider it childish. Sometimes less is more and DA2 has expressed dark and mature content through in the scene I mentioned than Whoreson in TW3. You can prefer CPDR's emotional message if you like. But personally, I prefer this. 1) I guess you never played the Blood Baron questline.2) I do remember that quest from DA2 and it was really emotional with some really dark themes and elements. Too bad DAI didn't have anything similar, which leads back to the theme of this thread which is that Bioware is pulling a Warner Bros. and is wanting for their games to be less offensive and less "dark".
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Post by smilesja on Nov 4, 2017 17:51:03 GMT
DA2 did it much better because of the simple fact that the serial killer kidnapped and experimented on the protagonists' mother . Hawke's (even sarcastic Hawke!) reaction and fallout to me will always more emotional impact than a bunch of naked women of no names that are decorated over a villain that I've very little reason to care about. To honest, Whoreson Junior is an example of darkness gone wrong to the point where I consider it childish. Sometimes less is more and DA2 has expressed dark and mature content through in the scene I mentioned than Whoreson in TW3. You can prefer CPDR's emotional message if you like. But personally, I prefer this. 1) I guess you never played the Blood Baron questline.2) I do remember that quest from DA2 and it was really emotional with some really dark themes and elements. Too bad DAI didn't have anything similar, which leads back to the theme of this thread which is that Bioware is pulling a Warner Bros. and is wanting for their games to be less offensive and less "dark". You were the one who bought up Whoreson Junior, what does Bloody Baron have to do with what you claimed? I just simply compared the how DA2 executed the serial killer route better than what TW3 did with Whoreson and there were plenty of dark moments in DAI like potentially sacrificing Hawke or heading to the dark future in the Mage path.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 4, 2017 18:16:02 GMT
Whatever you say, MajesticJizz. Now how about you actually adhere to the wishes of the OP. I have to ask: was that a deliberate pun, or a hilarious typo?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 4, 2017 18:37:04 GMT
Except I didn't. That's why everyone didn't want a DAI in space with all of the padding that game had? Yeah, that's what it's remembered for. No one is still talking about this game as if it had raised the bar or anything, unlike others, it didn't have that impact. That's the whole point. You certainly implied it. All you're talking about in past comment is side-questing. Also - everyone didn't want DAI with 'all the padding'? Strange then that DAI was, as far as we know, the fastest and best selling DA chapter to date. Also - what's with the bizarre notion that this is some sort of competition and the game that "wins" is the one everybody is talking about or consider to be "raising the bar"? What kind of childish ranking is that? Can't the game be a great game not by focusing on pushing the barriers, but laying the groundwork or simply telling a story? Nobody is talking about Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 anymore too and they were the games that laid groundwork not just for its finale (TW3), but how people remember the series. And DA is still an ongoing one. Also - from what I've seen people are indeed talking about DAI, especially its story, lore or character aspects. They also seem pretty stoked for DA4 because of them. What's hitting your nerve? Jesus Christ if you don't like what I said good for you, but that's what I said indeed. Why are you using sales now? COD is always the top seller and that means quality? Give me a break. And you thin people knew about the padding? Because I didn't. Being a near generation launch title, it got lucky. Or you think DA2 created hype? If you're content with mediocre shit, then awesome, BioWare used to be at the top of their game, you know, raising the bar you hate so much because you're now used to the mess they have been putting lately, as evidenced by your tireless rampage. People never talked about TW1 or 2 because 1) the first one was a niche game 2) They weren't the massive success 3 was. Oh, the fanbase is talking about DAI? Never expected that. The media is to this day celebrating TW3. Disclaimer, I didn't even mention it properly. But sure, "The DAI in space" that everyone was worried about before MEA's release, even the GM addressing it in an interview while assuring people it wouldn't be like that, wasn't DAI's legacy, basically.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 18:47:07 GMT
No fair saying it was a deliberate pun just for the cheap likes.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 4, 2017 19:02:47 GMT
You certainly implied it. All you're talking about in past comment is side-questing. Also - everyone didn't want DAI with 'all the padding'? Strange then that DAI was, as far as we know, the fastest and best selling DA chapter to date. Also - what's with the bizarre notion that this is some sort of competition and the game that "wins" is the one everybody is talking about or consider to be "raising the bar"? What kind of childish ranking is that? Can't the game be a great game not by focusing on pushing the barriers, but laying the groundwork or simply telling a story? Nobody is talking about Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 anymore too and they were the games that laid groundwork not just for its finale (TW3), but how people remember the series. And DA is still an ongoing one. Also - from what I've seen people are indeed talking about DAI, especially its story, lore or character aspects. They also seem pretty stoked for DA4 because of them. What's hitting your nerve? Jesus Christ if you don't like what I said good for you, but that's what I said indeed. Why are you using sales now? COD is always the top seller and that means quality? Give me a break. And you thin people knew about the padding? Because I didn't. Um... are you sure it's my nerve that is being hit? Just look at your reaction, the "Jesus Christing" and being all defensive and aggressive at the same time. Stop with the projection. And I used sales to illustrate a point. Strange that you're all dismissive about them, when I remember how often TW3 sales numbers have been brought to 'brag' about its success... so, thank you for doing exactly what I thought you'd do. And yes, before I bought Inquisition I actually knew about the "padding". Because you know how I got to know about DAI? I had at least a dozen of friends who were enthusing about the game and how big and deep and great it is. I actually bought DAI about a month or more after it was released, when Inquisition's scope or content wasn't a secret. I like how I asked whether rising the bar is supposed point of all games and apparently it means that I hate "rising the bar" Talk about false dichotomy. And again - stop projecting. Almost all you're doing is rampaging through threads bemoaning how supposedly mediocre and shit BW games are now and jumping at throats of anyone who disagrees with you, calling them thin and content with mediocre, or some other nonsense like that. There would be no TW3 without TW1 and TW2, in any possible respect we can think of. Well, it's a good thing people can't yet compare different franchises CDPR has to one another... 'cuz there ain't any aside from Witcher yet. Because let me remind you that people were wondering whether DA becomes more like ME and ME like DA long before DAI and MEA. And you're making it sound like it was all about "DAI's troubled legacy". Talk about disingenuous.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 4, 2017 19:13:01 GMT
Well, at least 2077 will have brothels/gentlemen's clubs. I apologize for anyone triggered by the visuals. So.... What matters is the story behind it. I really don't want a gentlemen's club just for the fanservice. The illustration might as well happen in a night club. Pole dancing ain't just a thing people do in strip clubs any longer even today, so probably less so in the future. Which makes me wonder... what would happen if Cyberpunk WON'T have brothels/gentlemen's club? Assuming that there will be one just based on concept art is a fool's errand anyhow - I mean, even if there's a safe assumption that there will, naturally, be sex industry in the setting, just like we know it exists in Thedas (it's established to exist in all chapters, including DAI), doesn't yet mean that we're going to see much of it.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 4, 2017 19:30:11 GMT
Am I the only who thinks her jacket sans the sleeves look like a plastic bag?
So much for hoping that type of fashion didn't become a trend.
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Post by shinary on Nov 4, 2017 19:48:02 GMT
Perhaps we should make two new threads? The "Doom For All" thread for those, who wants to talk about their dislike of the franchise and so on. The "Unicorn and Rainbows!" thread for those, who wants to enthuse about the franchise and get all excited. Seems like it might solve some issues Also, should we be concerned with the apparent fascination of dead naked girls cowered in blood? I'm starting to imagine people behind the monitors, who have their own private dungeons.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 20:23:28 GMT
I apologize for anyone triggered by the visuals. Don't be ridiculous. Nobody in this thread has been triggered by anything. (Well, maybe you have been.)Indifference to a kind of content is the opposite of being triggered by it
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 4, 2017 20:53:03 GMT
So.... What matters is the story behind it. I really don't want a gentlemen's club just for the fanservice. The illustration might as well happen in a night club. Pole dancing ain't just a thing people do in strip clubs any longer even today, so probably less so in the future. Which makes me wonder... what would happen if Cyberpunk WON'T have brothels/gentlemen's club? Assuming that there will be one just based on concept art is a fool's errand anyhow - I mean, even if there's a safe assumption that there will, naturally, be sex industry in the setting, just like we know it exists in Thedas (it's established to exist in all chapters, including DAI), doesn't yet mean that we're going to see much of it. Sex and style are even more a part of the CP setting than in the Witcher. I'd wager Pondsmith would be pissed if they didn't include them. This being the guy who was having prostitutes sub in on his DnD sessions as a college student.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 4, 2017 21:33:26 GMT
The illustration might as well happen in a night club. Pole dancing ain't just a thing people do in strip clubs any longer even today, so probably less so in the future. Which makes me wonder... what would happen if Cyberpunk WON'T have brothels/gentlemen's club? Assuming that there will be one just based on concept art is a fool's errand anyhow - I mean, even if there's a safe assumption that there will, naturally, be sex industry in the setting, just like we know it exists in Thedas (it's established to exist in all chapters, including DAI), doesn't yet mean that we're going to see much of it. Sex and style are even more a part of the CP setting than in the Witcher. I'd wager Pondsmith would be pissed if they didn't include them. This being the guy who was having prostitutes sub in on his DnD sessions as a college student. DnD sessions are a completely different thing from a major AAA game release.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 21:37:54 GMT
Yeah, but different how?
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 5, 2017 9:09:53 GMT
I knew this was going to be the response. If you look beyond just naked women, the whole point is that the scene depicts the worst parts of humanity and the results of evil/corrupt people. The naked women serves as a personal way of hitting across the message that Whoreson Jr is a bad man and the naked women is just a way to add more emotional anger at the dude and really have the player feel that same hate for the guy that Geralt has. However if you just saw naked women then Im sorry, I cannot help that you cant see the emotional message behind the naked bodies and all you see is naked dead ladies. Either way, it is still an example to show that CDPR isnt afriad to add such content even if it offends people. DA2 did it much better because of the simple fact that the serial killer kidnapped and experimented on the protagonists' mother . Hawke's (even sarcastic Hawke!) reaction and fallout to me will always more emotional impact than a bunch of naked women of no names that are decorated over a villain that I've very little reason to care about. To honest, Whoreson Junior is an example of darkness gone wrong to the point where I consider it childish. Sometimes less is more and DA2 has expressed dark and mature content through in the scene I mentioned than Whoreson in TW3. You can prefer CPDR's emotional message if you like. But personally, I prefer this. DA2 did deliver on that one and it was well written, but the side quests in Witcher are well done and the quest Get Junior was horrifying brutal and more detailed than DA2. Besides DA2 game in general is a very dull and dry game I mean the design of the city is horrible, it's not open world where a player can explore the Free Marches, and you can't move freely with your character. At least Skyrim and Fallout provides freedom and a real open world experience. Just my 2¢.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 5, 2017 10:36:24 GMT
I kind of want Maevaris to be in the next dragon age game and be romanceable for a male character. Imagine how they would lose their senses? Also, I just want her because she is awesome. And though I usually play women, I would so make my cannon character male, so I could romance her! Hey, for all we know she's bisexual and you could romance her as a female character! My only reservation about romancing Mae is that she might have Carth Syndrom due to her dead husband. Still, she had the good taste to marry a dwarf once, and I'd certainly be happy for my DA4 protagonist to help her move on ...
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 5, 2017 10:41:44 GMT
the design of the city is horrible, it's not open world where a player can explore the Free Marches, and you can't move freely with your character. At least Skyrim and Fallout provides freedom and a real open world experience. Just my 2¢. As much as i'd hate to admit negative stuff about DA,that is totally true :/ Guess we can blame the rushed design for that The Skyrim-ish open world design of Inquisition is such a vast improvement though.
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Post by shinary on Nov 5, 2017 11:16:48 GMT
I kind of want Maevaris to be in the next dragon age game and be romanceable for a male character. Imagine how they would lose their senses? Also, I just want her because she is awesome. And though I usually play women, I would so make my cannon character male, so I could romance her! Hey, for all we know she's bisexual and you could romance her as a female character! My only reservation about romancing Mae is that she might have Carth Syndrom due to her dead husband. Still, she had the good taste to marry a dwarf once, and I'd certainly be happy for my DA4 protagonist to help her move on ... That could very well be. I just used male as an example, because that is an attraction that has been established until now - and me being straight I prefer to play straight romances. (And just to make sure noone eats me, no I have nothing against gay romances. I think it's awesome that they are there and loved the Iron Bull Dorian bit). On another note, I think having a romance, where you help them move on would be interesting if done well. In ME3 it really wasn't handled that well and the death of Steve's husband was just too recent - with him obviously still grieving severely. But Mae has had years to "deal with it", so that transition might seem more natural. I hope I make my meaning clear.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Nov 5, 2017 11:34:16 GMT
the design of the city is horrible, it's not open world where a player can explore the Free Marches, and you can't move freely with your character. At least Skyrim and Fallout provides freedom and a real open world experience. Just my 2¢. As much as i'd hate to admit negative stuff about DA,that is totally true :/ Guess we can blame the rushed design for that The Skyrim-ish open world design of Inquisition is such a vast improvement though. That's actually one of the things that bugs me most about Inquisition. The spaces are too big for the amount of content that's actually in them, and what little side content there is actually sucks. I have the same issue with AC: Origins right now, as it happens. I would much prefer smaller environments with a greater density of content. If a game HAS to be open world, I reckon something about the size of Horizon Zero Dawn is just right, and I mean for an entire game, not one region.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 5, 2017 12:30:28 GMT
the design of the city is horrible, it's not open world where a player can explore the Free Marches, and you can't move freely with your character. At least Skyrim and Fallout provides freedom and a real open world experience. Just my 2¢. As much as i'd hate to admit negative stuff about DA,that is totally true :/ Guess we can blame the rushed design for that The Skyrim-ish open world design of Inquisition is such a vast improvement though. But the world in Inquisition is so stale and bland that I don't really feel the need to explore the world, and the quests are very boring and a chore and they didn't affect the story whatsoever. They should fix it where the side quests affect the story based on the player's actions, and once again Witcher 3 delivered on that department.
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Post by DragonRacer on Nov 5, 2017 14:57:42 GMT
A friendly moderation reminder: ProBoards is cranky about nudity and/or partial nudity, be it real photos or drawings/paintings.
Post with the picture and all posts quoting the image have been deleted. Would rather us not risk the entire forum getting shut down.
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Post by phoray on Nov 5, 2017 15:29:01 GMT
SofaJockeyI'm cool with this thread being closed. It's devolved into a CDPR vs Bioware discussion and I did warn them a few pages back. Of course, up to you. I guess that doesn't technically break rules but I'm tried of seeing the thread on the front page when they aren't even discussing OP topic anymore
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 5, 2017 15:40:16 GMT
SofaJockey I'm cool with this thread being closed. It's devolved into a CDPR vs Bioware discussion and I did warn them a few pages back. Of course, up to you. I guess that doesn't technically break rules but I'm tried of seeing the thread on the front page when they aren't even discussing OP topic anymore Request for a cease and desist noted. Poll added to sample the mood on the matter...
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 5, 2017 16:11:39 GMT
Yeah, I think we need a new thread. Brothels per se are trivial. To the extent we ever had a real topic, it was about the general tone and storytelling of CRPGs.
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Post by vonuber on Nov 5, 2017 17:35:02 GMT
I apologize for anyone triggered by the visuals. Don't be ridiculous. Nobody in this thread has been triggered by anything. (Well, maybe you have been.)Indifference to a kind of content is the opposite of being triggered by it Mr Jizz is trying to make the claim that if you are uncomfortable at the objectification of women (note it's not a scantily clad man) or don't really see the need or point of it (or just don't really care), then you are clearly a 'triggered' sjw or whatever the de rigueur term is now. I'd expect it to be also tied into some spurious claims about real gamers or something.
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