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Post by Serza on Nov 15, 2017 20:54:04 GMT
Respected? He's lucky I'm not a politician, or there'd be a country he's banned to visit. Oh, that's right there are still fanboys pissed off he exposed how shit MEA is. He was right, we were wrong. That part is fine. Being a fucking cunt about people doubting his (fairly) shady information source is what got him on the shitlist.
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Post by Lorn on Nov 15, 2017 20:59:57 GMT
Oh, that's right there are still fanboys pissed off he exposed how shit MEA is. He was right, we were wrong. That part is fine. Being a fucking cunt about people doubting his (fairly) shady information source is what got him on the shitlist. That's what a good investigative journalist does though, and it isn't the first time he's broke such a story. Respected Games Journalist Jason Schreier: 1 BioWare Fanboys: 0 We need more journalists like him.
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Post by Serza on Nov 15, 2017 21:03:14 GMT
He was right, we were wrong. That part is fine. Being a fucking cunt about people doubting his (fairly) shady information source is what got him on the shitlist. That's what a good investigative journalist does though, and it isn't the first time he's broke such a story. Respected Games Journalist Jason Schreier: 1 BioWare Fanboys: 0 An investigative journalist does not have to do what he has done. He may be a good journalist, but he is not a good man.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 15, 2017 21:19:08 GMT
I can't figure it out, yet, but I know this is our fault, somehow. 100% gamer culture. It's gotta be pretty multilayered given that the author of the article has a habit reading criticism in a forum and then going on a social media rant about said forum's hive mind conspiring against his journalistic credibility. I think his rant against BSN (which was actually pretty mild compared to his attacks on other fora) was only a couple of months ago. :heh:
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Post by mattig89ch on Nov 15, 2017 21:25:15 GMT
It's gotta be pretty multilayered given that the author of the article has a habit reading criticism in a forum and then going on a social media rant about said forum's hive mind conspiring against his journalistic credibility. I think his rant against BSN (which was actually pretty mild compared to his attacks on other fora) was only a couple of months ago. We were mentioned in a review article? Interesting. Can you provide a link to that article?
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 15, 2017 21:26:55 GMT
Damn, I think that has to take the cake for the dumbest SW related story bit ever. And that includes the saber-copters from "Rebels"... There was something similar to operation Cinder in the old EU back when Palps got reborn, something to force the old territories back under Imperial Control(as I recall it was selective firing on high value targets via the Galactic Gun) but the thing about that is...We are talking six or so years post Endor, the Empire has lost ground significantly, and these planets in some cases have been under Republic control for years.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 15, 2017 21:35:00 GMT
It's gotta be pretty multilayered given that the author of the article has a habit reading criticism in a forum and then going on a social media rant about said forum's hive mind conspiring against his journalistic credibility. I think his rant against BSN (which was actually pretty mild compared to his attacks on other fora) was only a couple of months ago. We were mentioned in a review article? Interesting. Can you provide a link to that article? "Social Media Rant," not "article" (although we were mentioned on "The Know" a few months ago in an episode about an oddly similar story.) I believe his comment(s) directed at us were on Twitter, but I never kept a link.
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Post by Serza on Nov 15, 2017 21:39:41 GMT
Speaking of threats, I seem to remember people suggesting "going Batman" on Jason Schreier (or some weird expression of the sort). Which was frankly rather bizarre. Now, I never particularly liked sites like Kotaku (or Polygon) due to their regressive politics, but I don't recall ever threatening to "go batman" on their journalists... Such clumsy comparisons. I stand behind him not being a good man, but he is nowhere near the sort Batman would go after. No, his situation calls for much more finesse than a violent solution could ever possess. As such solutions are unavailable to me, I believe the idiom of "Out of sight, out of mind" is appropriate.
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Post by mattig89ch on Nov 15, 2017 21:42:46 GMT
We were mentioned in a review article? Interesting. Can you provide a link to that article? "Social Media Rant," not "article" (although we were mentioned on "The Know" a few months ago in an episode about an oddly similar story.) I believe his comment(s) directed at us were on Twitter, but I never kept a link. nuts. can't believe we got a mention though. are we well known? its a relatively small community around here.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 15, 2017 21:44:18 GMT
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I'd hate to be the smug douchebag that says "I told you so", but this is too important to simply disregard.
I'm aware that there's enough assholes out there capable of sending threats, but there are also enough assholes out there capable of sending fake threats to themselves.
I know, made the update apparant. Im actually pissed at myself, I looked though his history but disn't find anything alarming, lacking the deeper contacts with EA and never thinking to check linkden is a handicap but now I feel like I gave out false information to people in my own article. Just annoys me.
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Post by Serza on Nov 15, 2017 21:48:26 GMT
Am I not?
I do not feel the need to go around publicly shaming people for disagreeing with me...
As for doxing, I do not believe the situation was outside the definition, though my judgement of that is based on knowledge eroded by time.
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Post by Serza on Nov 15, 2017 22:06:28 GMT
I suppose the difference is slight enough to slip.
I also agree that there is very little point to arguing over this, and you did see how I did not doubt his... professional ability, even though the man's honor is not on the same level.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 15, 2017 22:16:22 GMT
I know, made the update apparant. Im actually pissed at myself, I looked though his history but disn't find anything alarming, lacking the deeper contacts with EA is always a handicap but now I feel like I gave out false information to people in my own article. Just annoys me. All I can say is remember this in the future, people make claims all the times, and fake threats aren't a new tactic, especially when it comes to gaming. This is unfortunately not the first or last time this will happen. It's one of the things expected in journalism, especially when you are limited in your contacts and resources, or in my case, not really my main job. Our site has that issue all the time. We sometimes get a quote or contact poibt but most of the time we get little info from pubs or devs to collaborate stories, unlike Schreier.
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Post by Lorn on Nov 15, 2017 22:18:44 GMT
"Social Media Rant," not "article" (although we were mentioned on "The Know" a few months ago in an episode about an oddly similar story.) I believe his comment(s) directed at us were on Twitter, but I never kept a link. nuts. can't believe we got a mention though. are we well known? its a relatively small community around here. Prior to DAI and the shut down of the BSN the forum was highlighted in a YouTube video for how fucking crazy BioWare fans are.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 15, 2017 22:22:29 GMT
Schreier got butthurt about this forum dismissing his claims. Now the more interesting part is that his claims were dismissed confidently because another "source" that claimed the cancellation of DLC was dismissed as fake just a short time before. It was a fake company posting on their fake facebook account about the cancellation. The company actually didn't exist and the facebook account along with its content was pulled. Strange thing was the effort being made setting it all up. Postings on that facebook reached back a while. Who'd go such lengths to fake identities for a leak like that?
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 15, 2017 22:28:40 GMT
There was something similar to operation Cinder in the old EU back when Palps got reborn, something to force the old territories back under Imperial Control(as I recall it was selective firing on high value targets via the Galactic Gun) but the thing about that is...We are talking six or so years post Endor, the Empire has lost ground significantly, and these planets in some cases have been under Republic control for years. I never actually got into this part of the EU, but that seems like it makes more sense than what we heard about BF2's plot. That from what I have heard wouldn't be all that difficult
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 15, 2017 22:30:11 GMT
"Social Media Rant," not "article" (although we were mentioned on "The Know" a few months ago in an episode about an oddly similar story.) I believe his comment(s) directed at us were on Twitter, but I never kept a link. nuts. can't believe we got a mention though. are we well known? its a relatively small community around here. Yeah, it was kind of funny. I'll see if I can find it, since I made a thread about it... Welp, I do not like the search function, but I eventually thought to check my profile for "recent threads" and I found it: The Know Mentions BSN
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 15, 2017 22:34:07 GMT
We should probably stay on topic rather than focus on the messenger. Whether his actions were justified or not can be debated, but he seems to be a reliable enough source on such things. I kind of feel that if he's allowed to talk about us, we're allowed to talk about him. But mostly I'm just answering Matti's follow-up questions.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 15, 2017 22:35:34 GMT
nuts. can't believe we got a mention though. are we well known? its a relatively small community around here. Prior to DAI and the shut down of the BSN the forum was highlighted in a YouTube video for how fucking crazy BioWare fans are.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 15, 2017 22:40:11 GMT
I kind of feel that if he's allowed to talk about us, we're allowed to talk about him. But mostly I'm just answering Matti's follow-up questions. Talk away. I just don't think that it's a particularly interesting topic, nor is it connected to the current topic, nor do I think that the people who took offense on this forum were in the right. He was attacked online, he attacked back online, big deal.
I was referring to other incidents, presumably, of which you may not be aware.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 15, 2017 22:48:55 GMT
nuts. can't believe we got a mention though. are we well known? its a relatively small community around here. Yeah, it was kind of funny. I'll see if I can find it, since I made a thread about it... Welp, I do not like the search function, but I eventually thought to check my profile for "recent threads" and I found it: The Know Mentions BSNI've mentioned the forums several times in news stories, and even in my mass effect n7 retrospective article. The forums are known, a lot of people do visit here enough to make it such for news when it arises.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 15, 2017 22:50:28 GMT
I just like "The Know."
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 15, 2017 23:03:54 GMT
I know. That's why I asked you the questions that you didn't answer. If you were to actually answer them, it might result in there a point to be understood. Unless you're actually reading the same thread I am, in which case it is. And we're back to this. What behaviour are you talking about? Criticism? Are you saying all criticism should be outlawed or something? You used the phrase "over-sensitive" earlier to describe criticizing paywalls, but it feels like it would more accurately be used to describe equivocating criticism with harassment. Except i'm not talking about criticism. The criticism is fine and I have no issue with it. I'm talking about the actual harassment. Unless you are saying there is no harassment being perpetuated by your peers out there? I mean if you don't understand the difference between one and the other...this fight is already lost. They certainly aren't my peers, I can no more stop jackasses from sending death threats than I can stop people from buying the game and the lootboxes, is it shitty behavior? Of course it is and anyone who acts that way is a moron, however I can't stop morons from being morons, gamers aren't this collective group who get together and form meetings about who they are going to send death threats today, the people who send death threats are all rogues acting on their own accord and nobody elses.
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