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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 14:32:48 GMT
The only disappointment to me with Andromeda was the withdrawal of support from the SP and MP content, and replacing the game with published EU materials. I did not like the reliance on the printed materials in DA franchise, and I do not like an even more extended handling of it in ME franchise. I doubt the DA crowd would have appreciated being handed Trespasser the Comic Book rather than Trespasser the DLC for them to tie up Solas' storyline. And the money instead being spent on fixing the fork-in-my-eyes terrifying hair and skin texturing and atrocious helmets and expanding Cullen's romance for all races and genders.
For DA, they built the DLCs with the story, but for ME they chose to fix eye transparency instead because players did not bother to customize their characters and use the double shading provided for the eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 14:43:50 GMT
You really need to be quite a hipster try-hard to think ME2 is a bad game, or worse than Andromeda. Automatically, you are wrong. But sure, keep trying to reach the clouds to defend mediocrity that did close to nothing for the time it released. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_Mass_Effect_2Let me hear what a random angry BSN poster has to say against the many that critically judged these games. No, you just have to be a person who prefers something else to what ME2 had to offer. What is it with this idea that everyone on the planet has to follow the crowd in what they personally like or dislike? Lots of people like things that not very many people like... If following the crowd was the main thing... then we'd all be into the sports games and not RPGs. We're already in a minority of what people in general like in a game. Did you notice... both games are based on a little over 3000 ratings... when millions of copies of each were sold. There's a lot of room there for variances in opinions... and they are ALL opinions. ME2 had some flaws. ME1 had some flaws. ME3 had some flaws. All were also different games... intentionally not made identical by Bioware because in each game they wanted to try something different... something new to the franchise. If the changes they made appealed to you, you like that game better. If not, you like it less.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 13, 2017 14:52:26 GMT
You really need to be quite a hipster try-hard to think ME2 is a bad game, or worse than Andromeda. Automatically, you are wrong. But sure, keep trying to reach the clouds to defend mediocrity that did close to nothing for the time it released. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_Mass_Effect_2Let me hear what a random angry BSN poster has to say against the many that critically judged these games. No, you just have to be a person who prefers something else to what ME2 had to offer. What is it with this idea that everyone on the planet has to follow the crowd in what they personally like or dislike? Lots of people like things that not very many people like... If following the crowd was the main thing... then we'd all be into the sports games and not RPGs. We're already in a minority of what people in general like in a game. Did you notice... both games are based on a little over 3000 ratings... when millions of copies of each were sold. There's a lot of room there for variances in opinions... and they are ALL opinions. ME2 had some flaws. ME1 had some flaws. ME3 had some flaws. All were also different games... intentionally not made identical by Bioware because in each game they wanted to try something different... something new to the franchise. If the changes they made appealed to you, you like that game better. If not, you like it less. You can have a dumb opinion, it will be just that, a dumb opinion that will be called out eventually. So, now you are taking user scores in consideration? Hypocrisy much? If more people voted, ME2 would have more positive scores and MEA the contrary, a consensus, that's the way it is. Why? Because ME2 is miles ahead MEA in terms of quality, you need the minimum amount of common sense to know that, but that doesn't mean you don't need to enjoy MEA due to this fact, nobody is saying that. It's just the much inferior game, and the reception it got is totally unjustified, now it's up to you to learn to live with that Or you could always play the salty BioWare revolutionary card and scream that critics are wrong, MEA's is best game, Internet sucks and The Witcher 3 sucks too . You can do that too.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 13, 2017 14:59:09 GMT
And you think MEA's life support was plugged out for the fucks? Or you think it was related to the game, you know, failing?
Everything is right in front of you I'm surprised you chose ignorance instead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 15:04:30 GMT
"called out"... "dumb opinion" - the only thing you miss from the regular lexicon of the "fans" that try to use aggressiveness to bully the minority thinkers are "stop lying" or "you are lying".
Thing is, "calling out" only happens in your imagination, as well as qualifying of someone else's opinion.
As for the majority support of the opinion being in a support of its inherent value in the matter of tastes... that's a tentative position at best. Yes, most humans feel comforted by adhering to the opinion expressed by the majority, but it is not unintelligent to be an original thinker.
The sign of a weak mind is to be persuaded by the volume alone, particular against one's own instinct and taste.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 13, 2017 15:09:45 GMT
My god, it's not that deep. People like one, because it's good, and the other is disliked because it's not good. It's actually QUITE simple. You just pull this "physiological" bullshit because turns out you like MEA and you're in the minority, therefore you really feel the need to justify how good the game is in yours eyes, for... reasons? We get it.
But it's just not that good, I'm sorry, otherwise the DLC would be there too, but the game just failed wether you like it or not. There are better games to enjoy, I can tell you that.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 13, 2017 15:12:32 GMT
By basically using the "sheep" argument, you just come off as a whiny and insecure, it's easier to accept the facts and go on.
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And you think MEA's life support was plugged out for the fucks? Or you think it was related to the game, you know, failing? Everything is right in front of you I'm surprised you chose ignorance instead. The support was withdrawn due to it being unpopular with the masses. BioWare erred by trying to produce not niche games, after an accidental success of the second Mass Effect. The dilution of style and chasing the schemes that succeeded overall did present the games to wider audiences that they previously did not capture. But the very nature of moving from hundred of thousand of players that specifically sought out your product, to millions reared on different sorts of games, from all walks of lives and occupations, presented you with a volatile reaction because of variable tastes. Obsidian got the message and is now trying to budget with an expectation to sell a smaller volume to targeted fans. Do you expect a prickly introverted dame like me who is pursing her lips when she sees a moderately drunk person in disgust and enjoys the most reading a clever book on an obscure period of history to walk into a bar and have a wonderful time with rowdy rednecks cheering on a hockey game? Probably not. But the game developers seem to expect all of us, rednecks and I, and also a gal waiting at the bus stop, to enjoy the same games. As the videogame era draws on, we'll see more and more stratification, simply because of ages of gamers, education and their life circumstances stretches out over the ever-wider spectrum. Sure, once in a while a game will hit the jackpot, but in all other cases, the opinions on the games that are not openly niche or very loudly announce what audience they are seeking and planning to profit precisely from the predicted sales based on that audience will fail. It is not surprising to me that there are many, many, many millions out there interested in Witcher. It also does not surprise me that I do not belong with them. When I voice my support for Andromeda, Tyranny or Technomancer, I do so to try to convey to the companies that I do exist, and will pay for different games, and I will not just shut up and play the Witcher like the majority, and cry for every game to be like the Witcher. No amount of "calling out" and being shouted at will impact my sense of self-worth and so make me waver in the face of hostile multitude. I do not attach my self-worth to externalities and I am not afraid to form opinions that are my own and it does not make me feel small when someone call them stupid. I can pronounce them stupid right back and be at impasse. In other words, if someone waves the flag of "EVERYONE SAYS SO, YOU DUM ASS!" I will respond with a condescending smile that I am happy to see the unwashed masses pleased, but I, in my unrivaled intellectual superiority do appreciate less pedestrian and finer things.
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No, you just have to be a person who prefers something else to what ME2 had to offer. What is it with this idea that everyone on the planet has to follow the crowd in what they personally like or dislike? Lots of people like things that not very many people like... If following the crowd was the main thing... then we'd all be into the sports games and not RPGs. We're already in a minority of what people in general like in a game. Did you notice... both games are based on a little over 3000 ratings... when millions of copies of each were sold. There's a lot of room there for variances in opinions... and they are ALL opinions. ME2 had some flaws. ME1 had some flaws. ME3 had some flaws. All were also different games... intentionally not made identical by Bioware because in each game they wanted to try something different... something new to the franchise. If the changes they made appealed to you, you like that game better. If not, you like it less. You can have a dumb opinion, it will be just that, a dumb opinion that will be called out eventually. So, now you are taking user scores in consideration? Hypocrisy much? If more people voted, ME2 would have more positive scores and MEA the contrary, a consensus, that's the way it is. Why? Because ME2 is miles ahead MEA in terms of quality, you need the minimum amount of common sense to know that, but that doesn't mean you don't need to enjoy MEA due to this fact, nobody is saying that. It's just the much inferior game, and the reception it got is totally unjustified, now it's up to you to learn to live with that Or you could always play the salty BioWare revolutionary card and scream that critics are wrong, MEA's is best game, Internet sucks and The Witcher 3 sucks too . You can do that too. Your opinion of my opinion can be that it's dumb... but my opinon of your opinion of my opinion is that it's dumb as well. It's still all opinion. People have different tastes in things and no one has the high ground here. It's a game... entertainment... If we all liked the same things there would only be one type of entertainment... and how boring would that be? You're not some sort of game knight for "calling out' such things. Your just completely irrelevant... it doesn't change anything about anything. The fact that you think that you are some sort of gaming knight errant is what's really sad about all of this. You guys have been trying for how long to force Bioware to make a their games to suit you perfectly game (in your opinion) by using these tactics? News flash... it hasn't been working, has it? The games, in your opinion, have been getting worse, not "better," the company has been continually losing staff for years now, a whole division has been shut down, and we'll probably just not ever see another ME game, period... but go ahead, keep it up and we'll see where it goes from here. As I said, the only decision left to be made here on this game is whether or not to buy the book(s) to see how the story ends. If I buy the books and enjoy reading them, it will have been a good decision for me to have made. If I buy them and don't enjoy reading them, it's my own money wasted. It has no bearing on you... your opinion of my tastes in entertainment is totally irrelevant.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 13, 2017 16:15:45 GMT
You can like bad things, and still knowing they are bad. And you can dislike good things, even knowing they are good. I don't like Uncharted or God of War, but I would never say they are bad games. And I also like Dynasty Warriors, but I would never say it's an awesome game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 16:24:39 GMT
You can like bad things, and still knowing they are bad. And you can dislike good things, even knowing they are good. I don't like Uncharted or God of War, but I would never say they are bad games. And I also like Dynasty Warriors, but I would never say it's an awesome game. Again... people here are acknowledging that ME:A has flaws. It also has some strengths that they like about it. Overall, they found more to like about it than dislike about it. It's no skin off your nose. Your obsession with "calling them" out on that by mocking them and then trying to defend that behavior is what's really sad.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 13, 2017 18:43:29 GMT
You can like bad things, and still knowing they are bad. And you can dislike good things, even knowing they are good. I don't like Uncharted or God of War, but I would never say they are bad games. And I also like Dynasty Warriors, but I would never say it's an awesome game. Again... people here are acknowledging that ME:A has flaws. It also has some strengths that they like about it. Overall, they found more to like about it than dislike about it. It's no skin off your nose. Your obsession with "calling them" out on that by mocking them and then trying to defend that behavior is what's really sad. Actually, they called out me, because they started whining because I was in favor of Bioware not touching ME:A again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 18:58:22 GMT
Again... people here are acknowledging that ME:A has flaws. It also has some strengths that they like about it. Overall, they found more to like about it than dislike about it. It's no skin off your nose. Your obsession with "calling them" out on that by mocking them and then trying to defend that behavior is what's really sad. Actually, they called out me, because they started whining because I was in favor of Bioware not touching ME:A again. Bullshit... I've been reading your posts on this forum for months now. Same old shit, different day. Your level of denial in this regard cannot be matched by anything anyone thinks about this particular game. You know... there are a lot of people (probably the VAST majority) in the world who think we gamers all have pretty bad taste when it comes to discerning between good and bad entertainment.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 13, 2017 19:03:25 GMT
Actually, they called out me, because they started whining because I was in favor of Bioware not touching ME:A again. Bullshit... I've been reading your posts on this forum for months now. Same old shit, different day. Your level of denial in this regard cannot be matched by anything anyone thinks about this particular game. You know... there are a lot of people (probably the VAST majority) in the world who think we gamers all have pretty bad taste when it comes to discerning between good and bad entertainment. Haha, you're just denying facts that can clearly be seen in the first page, where I just pointed what I thought and two or three people started arguing. Shows how much of a liar and how you're out of line acting in bad faith just to try to disregard me. Have a nice day. Your level of dishonesty and bad faith cannot be matched by anything said by anyone about this particular forum.
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 13, 2017 19:42:52 GMT
-cancel MEA Quarian Ark DLC -book describes the past journey and problems with the quarians, but doesn't tie into MEA (anymore) -we save Quarian Ark or at least address it in the next game as a main quest or within a main quest of it -Quarians appear early in the next game, as do the other species
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 19:46:50 GMT
Bullshit... I've been reading your posts on this forum for months now. Same old shit, different day. Your level of denial in this regard cannot be matched by anything anyone thinks about this particular game. You know... there are a lot of people (probably the VAST majority) in the world who think we gamers all have pretty bad taste when it comes to discerning between good and bad entertainment. Haha, you're just denying facts that can clearly be seen in the first page, where I just pointed what I thought and two or three people started arguing. Shows how much of a liar and how you're out of line acting in bad faith just to try to disregard me. Have a nice day. Your level of dishonesty and bad faith cannot be matched by anything said by anyone about this particular forum. ... and you're just denying that this whole argument started many threads ago and has gone on for months. Shows what a liar you are... etc. etc. (see, I can call people names too). Fact remains, none of this is relevant to a person deciding whether or not they'll enjoy reading the books or whether or not they enjoyed the game or whether or not they think the game is bad or good or whether or not they think gaming in general is bad or good... It's all opinion. People's tastes differ... particularly when it comes to what they enjoy in entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 20:03:00 GMT
-cancel MEA Quarian Ark DLC -book describes the past journey and problems with the quarians, but doesn't tie into MEA (anymore) -we save Quarian Ark or at least address it in the next game as a main quest or within a main quest of it -Quarians appear early in the next game, as do the other species Would be great.
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Post by kino on Oct 13, 2017 20:31:10 GMT
Again... people here are acknowledging that ME:A has flaws. It also has some strengths that they like about it. Overall, they found more to like about it than dislike about it. It's no skin off your nose. Your obsession with "calling them" out on that by mocking them and then trying to defend that behavior is what's really sad. Well put. I found ME:A's pluses far outweighed it's few minuses, and it had a few minuses especially at launch. Still, even if I had despised the game I wouldn't be haranguing people who did like it.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 13, 2017 20:36:51 GMT
Well, unfortunately some mod deleted my post, just wanted to say I don't harass anyone, I criticize the game, but I don't go after people in the forum to insult them (that's what this guy does) and this liar is just being dishonest, because that's all he is. Actually what mostly happens (it happened on this very thread) is people that liked the game coming after people that didn't like the game to insult, harass or argue with them.
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Post by kino on Oct 13, 2017 20:43:55 GMT
-cancel MEA Quarian Ark DLC -book describes the past journey and problems with the quarians, but doesn't tie into MEA (anymore) -we save Quarian Ark or at least address it in the next game as a main quest or within a main quest of it -Quarians appear early in the next game, as do the other species I like that idea, actually. Quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 21:13:42 GMT
-cancel MEA Quarian Ark DLC -book describes the past journey and problems with the quarians, but doesn't tie into MEA (anymore) -we save Quarian Ark or at least address it in the next game as a main quest or within a main quest of it -Quarians appear early in the next game, as do the other species If they do decide to go forward with a second ME:A game, I'd be down with that idea. What I got from the announcement was a feeling though that they weren't really thinking of doing a second game anymore. People were saying on the old BSN that the authors of these books are quite credible. I'm basically waiting to decide until after they are all released because I understand that it's possible they might release a full boxed set or something similar and I know I'd rather buy them that way if such a thing becomes available.
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Post by goishen on Oct 13, 2017 22:12:20 GMT
I think it's all because our opinions got called subjective in the meanest way possible right after the game came out. Admit that's it's an objectively bad game, but one that you still enjoy playing. A "guilty pleasure" of gaming, if you will. We all have guilty pleasures of TV.
Ya know, if you wanna start up an objective vs. subjective debate again, I'm right there. I'll keep on posting that SS of metacritic and watch as you attempt and fail and at tearing down the pillars of heaven.
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Post by Gecko on Oct 13, 2017 22:24:44 GMT
Well, unfortunately some mod deleted my post, just wanted to say I don't harass anyone, I criticize the game, but I don't go after people in the forum to insult them (that's what this guy does) and this liar is just being dishonest, because that's all he is. Actually what mostly happens (it happened on this very thread) is people that liked the game coming after people that didn't like the game to insult, harass or argue with them. That mod was me. Your post was removed because you personally attacked another user. Let this be the end of it.
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 13, 2017 23:20:34 GMT
-cancel MEA Quarian Ark DLC -book describes the past journey and problems with the quarians, but doesn't tie into MEA (anymore) -we save Quarian Ark or at least address it in the next game as a main quest or within a main quest of it -Quarians appear early in the next game, as do the other species Would be great. Its just the most reasonable sounding to me. For what players would take, and for what Bioware tends to do. Example: Exalted March and further Mage/Templar conflicts in 'DA2' being instead turned into the initial quests in DAI and rather quickly moved on from. So we do something with Quarians and other species but quickly move on (though using Quarians etc NPCs throughout the game onwards). And well, a MEA2 can be Quarian/Geth where MEA was Krogan. Spreading out MET-originating theme focus.
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 13, 2017 23:39:42 GMT
-cancel MEA Quarian Ark DLC -book describes the past journey and problems with the quarians, but doesn't tie into MEA (anymore) -we save Quarian Ark or at least address it in the next game as a main quest or within a main quest of it -Quarians appear early in the next game, as do the other species If they do decide to go forward with a second ME:A game, I'd be down with that idea. What I got from the announcement was a feeling though that they weren't really thinking of doing a second game anymore. People were saying on the old BSN that the authors of these books are quite credible. I'm basically waiting to decide until after they are all released because I understand that it's possible they might release a full boxed set or something similar and I know I'd rather buy them that way if such a thing becomes available. I still think they're considering a MEA2 (or similar) in 2020-2022, but its far from set in stone and could happen later (2022-2023) or not at all (say Anthem goes spectacularly well and encourages maximum support for content and a sequel as soon as feasible). A second game also doesn't necessarily need to be called MEA2 or have all that it entails. Another game could be set in the Andromeda galaxy but be rather far from what a MEA2 might otherwise be.
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