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Post by clips7 on Oct 18, 2017 5:38:08 GMT
Shepard is a corpse, let em rest in pieces. Bring back the Milky Way we know and love. Again, no good ideas whatsoever to make a direct sequel to the ME trilogy. Again, the most vocal proponents for a sequel with superjesus shep apparently come up with the worst storyline ideas and concepts. Does anyone else see the pattern? Meh...i think a compelling story can be told regarding the aftermath of the Reaper event. I didn't agree with fast-forwarding the story 600 years to avoid the endings, but i feel developing a lesser threat to the Milky Way characters while they are still struggling to rebuild could present a challenging concept. Maybe have it focus on that dark matter concept that the Quarians was studying and somehow have it develop into a mass that is destroying everything in it's path or it's affecting planets in a way that is destroying life on a massive scale...not universal wide as the Reaper threat, but still paralyzing and threatening.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 8:11:07 GMT
not necesserily Just because shepard survives, that does not make it a good ending longer term. Many people look at the ending with Shep taking a breath as a good ending, and it is if you look at shepards story. However if Shepard were to crawl out of the rubble as a tool of the reapers or posessed by starjar, that would be a great starting point for a new trilogy. Shepard gradually turning upon everyone and siding with the reapers + allies while a new protagonist emerges to help take up the fight. Isn't that basically the Control ending? You're totally stripping away the player agency of Shepard... forcibly turning him/her to the dark side regardless of what the player did in the Trilogy... I can hear the uproar now. People don't want Shepard to return with a personality other than whatever one they created for him/her in the first three games. When they ask for the return of Shepard, they are asking for the return of THEIR Shepard and in a manner where they continue to control how he/she reacts and what he/she says and does. If they throw Shepard in and he/she is not the PC, it can really be only a cameo that doesn't really give much indication of either renegade or the paragon personality traits... or your going to completely alienate those who had the opposite Shepard from what is presented. Or IT could indeed be correct and Shepard beats their indoctrination attempt, and we begin anew with an actual war against the reapers, a war that we can win maybe?
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 18, 2017 15:36:05 GMT
Shepard's story is done. Get over it.
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 19, 2017 9:17:23 GMT
Shep's story done or not done, I'm fine either way. Somehow I just can't seemed to be interested in MEA, even when I have the hots for Liam. I guess ME without Shep feels a little 'awkward' for me. Though I can fully understand why Shep wont be returning. Prop back the old Commander up and soon enough people will be questioning 'old buddies' and 'what happened to my LI' followed by 'what happened to the choices I made in the last game? Why is it so generic?' And that, is an ugly can of worm on it's own..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:36:55 GMT
This is flawed thinking, because the characters don’t create good dialogue or stories. They could return and be just as bad as any new ones the team conjures up. Then we’ll just have people bitching about how they ruined the characters they loved so much. How is that flawed thinking, when it was the characters of the previous titles that made the trilogy such a great game. Sure you can say the writers were the real reason the characters were good. But in this case of talking about bringing the OT characters back, I'm also talking about bringing the writers of those characters back. You really think the Andromeda writers could pull off writing characters like Garrus? Hell no. If Shepard and Crew comes back of course the OT writers would have to have a hand in it. I don't see the flaws you speak of. When People talk about bringing Shepard back, I'm pretty sure they have the OT writers in mind to handle a project like that. who the hell would want the writers of Andromeda to work on a story with Shepard present, especially after seeing the shit show that is Andromeda? OT writers for the OT characters DUH...It's flawed thinking because the writers of the those characters are not coming back. They left and moved on. It's spilled milk that you're crying over... fans stuck in the past, not even trying to move forward and not letting anyone else move forward either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:44:59 GMT
Isn't that basically the Control ending? You're totally stripping away the player agency of Shepard... forcibly turning him/her to the dark side regardless of what the player did in the Trilogy... I can hear the uproar now. People don't want Shepard to return with a personality other than whatever one they created for him/her in the first three games. When they ask for the return of Shepard, they are asking for the return of THEIR Shepard and in a manner where they continue to control how he/she reacts and what he/she says and does. If they throw Shepard in and he/she is not the PC, it can really be only a cameo that doesn't really give much indication of either renegade or the paragon personality traits... or your going to completely alienate those who had the opposite Shepard from what is presented. Or IT could indeed be correct and Shepard beats their indoctrination attempt, and we begin anew with an actual war against the reapers, a war that we can win maybe? You've been trying to "win this war" for 5 years now... it hasn't work for you yet.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 19, 2017 12:18:56 GMT
Maybi there's a way to have both. Post ME III, Shepard and Garrus lying on a beach, drinking coctails, checking out Asari babes, s/he passes out and has a dream: MEA.
You're pulling my leg, Shepard...everyone builds these "Arks" and they fly away to another galaxy, no Mass Relays. That's more crazy than that crazy thing with Prothean beacons.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 19, 2017 13:10:35 GMT
Isn't that basically the Control ending? You're totally stripping away the player agency of Shepard... forcibly turning him/her to the dark side regardless of what the player did in the Trilogy... I can hear the uproar now. People don't want Shepard to return with a personality other than whatever one they created for him/her in the first three games. When they ask for the return of Shepard, they are asking for the return of THEIR Shepard and in a manner where they continue to control how he/she reacts and what he/she says and does. If they throw Shepard in and he/she is not the PC, it can really be only a cameo that doesn't really give much indication of either renegade or the paragon personality traits... or your going to completely alienate those who had the opposite Shepard from what is presented. Or IT could indeed be correct and Shepard beats their indoctrination attempt, and we begin anew with an actual war against the reapers, a war that we can win maybe? Putting aside the terrible coping mechanism that is indoctrination theory, do people really want more reapers? I mean Jesus myrrh-huffing Christ Bio squeezed those things dry in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 13:39:04 GMT
Or IT could indeed be correct and Shepard beats their indoctrination attempt, and we begin anew with an actual war against the reapers, a war that we can win maybe? Putting aside the terrible coping mechanism that is indoctrination theory, do people really want more reapers? I mean Jesus myrrh-huffing Christ Bio squeezed those things dry in the end. woah there neddy. Don't despair. I mean it could all be a dreeeeeeeem.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2017 13:45:54 GMT
People whine about wanting Ryder back and how a ME:A 2 is a good thing. People don't stop to wonder whether continuing to associate Mass Effect with Andromeda is a good thing or a bad thing. Let's be realistic, ask the people beyond this forum, beyond reddit, beyond tumblr, they would not want another Andromeda. Why? Because Andromeda left a bad taste in their mouth, they got burnt and should the name return, it would drive them further away from Mass Effect. How do I know that? If you have to ask, you are deluded as to the current state of the franchise. EA not only did not greenlight a sequel, as was expected, not only did they cancel the DLC, they dropped Andromeda completely, after leading the community on for 6 months. The game got buried by reviewers and players alike.
So what do I propose? Go back to Shepard and co., right? No. As much as I loved the first two Mass Effects and how it introduced me to some of my favourite characters in video games, I am afraid, taking into account Bioware's writing quality in their past several games, how they would completely ruin said characters. So no, I do not want them to go back, because I do not trust them to deliver even that. And lets be serious, that's money in the bank, from a business standpoint. We need a second fresh start. Away from the ME3 endings and potential Synthesis endings and away from the dead weight that is Andromeda. The sooner you cut you losses and move on, the better. EA did, why can't you? I hear Alpha Centauri is great this time of year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 14:29:36 GMT
People whine about wanting Ryder back and how a ME:A 2 is a good thing. People don't stop to wonder whether continuing to associate Mass Effect with Andromeda is a good thing or a bad thing. Let's be realistic, ask the people beyond this forum, beyond reddit, beyond tumblr, they would not want another Andromeda. Why? Because Andromeda left a bad taste in their mouth, they got burnt and should the name return, it would drive them further away from Mass Effect. How do I know that? If you have to ask, you are deluded as to the current state of the franchise. EA not only did not greenlight a sequel, as was expected, not only did they cancel the DLC, they dropped Andromeda completely, after leading the community on for 6 months. The game got buried by reviewers and players alike. So what do I propose? Go back to Shepard and co., right? No. As much as I loved the first two Mass Effects and how it introduced me to some of my favourite characters in video games, I am afraid, taking into account Bioware's writing quality in their past several games, how they would completely ruin said characters. So no, I do not want them to go back, because I do not trust them to deliver even that. And lets be serious, that's money in the bank, from a business standpoint. We need a second fresh start. Away from the ME3 endings and potential Synthesis endings and away from the dead weight that is Andromeda. The sooner you cut you losses and move on, the better. EA did, why can't you? I hear Alpha Centauri is great this time of year. The Andromeda story and Ryder's story has obviously been left not finished... so is wanting to see that story completed such an absurd notion? The press now is saying that this wasn't such as bad game... it's an average game with an average story so far... but one with some potential to grow into a great story... potential at least equal to "another fresh start" and without the downside of alienating those fans who happened to like Ryder's story... particularly since doing ANYTHING but going back to Shepard and rewriting ME3 doesn't satisfy that other group of fans anyways. New fans (people not yet familiar with Mass Effect) may be turned off by the name regardless of what the story is... MET based, MEA based or new ME story... it won't make a lick of difference to them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2017 15:09:33 GMT
People whine about wanting Ryder back and how a ME:A 2 is a good thing. People don't stop to wonder whether continuing to associate Mass Effect with Andromeda is a good thing or a bad thing. Let's be realistic, ask the people beyond this forum, beyond reddit, beyond tumblr, they would not want another Andromeda. Why? Because Andromeda left a bad taste in their mouth, they got burnt and should the name return, it would drive them further away from Mass Effect. How do I know that? If you have to ask, you are deluded as to the current state of the franchise. EA not only did not greenlight a sequel, as was expected, not only did they cancel the DLC, they dropped Andromeda completely, after leading the community on for 6 months. The game got buried by reviewers and players alike. So what do I propose? Go back to Shepard and co., right? No. As much as I loved the first two Mass Effects and how it introduced me to some of my favourite characters in video games, I am afraid, taking into account Bioware's writing quality in their past several games, how they would completely ruin said characters. So no, I do not want them to go back, because I do not trust them to deliver even that. And lets be serious, that's money in the bank, from a business standpoint. We need a second fresh start. Away from the ME3 endings and potential Synthesis endings and away from the dead weight that is Andromeda. The sooner you cut you losses and move on, the better. EA did, why can't you? I hear Alpha Centauri is great this time of year. The Andromeda story and Ryder's story has obviously been left not finished... so is wanting to see that story completed such an absurd notion? The press now is saying that this wasn't such as bad game... it's an average game with an average story so far... but one with some potential to grow into a great story... potential at least equal to "another fresh start" and without the downside of alienating those fans who happened to like Ryder's story... particularly since doing ANYTHING but going back to Shepard and rewriting ME3 doesn't satisfy that other group of fans anyways. New fans (people not yet familiar with Mass Effect) may be turned off by the name regardless of what the story is... MET based, MEA based or new ME story... it won't make a lick of difference to them. You underestimate the damage done to the franchise by Andromeda. You underestimate the gaming public's opinion of Bioware after Andromeda and cling to it as if it is some kind of goose that lays golden eggs. Lots of games ended on a cliffhanger that never got a sequel, or closure through DLC of any kind. It's just business. EA understands that, you don't. New fans won't care, old fans will be glad they are not getting more of the same, the isolated members here and there that liked Andromeda's mediocrity are not enough to sustain the franchise, as proven by reality itself. Mass Effect fans and other players will hear Andromeda 2 and avoid it like the plague. If Andromeda enjoyed a million pre-orders, there won't be anything remotely close to that for Andromeda 2, as it will be faced with doubt and scrutiny, from the get-go. If EA does return to Andromeda, the game will have to be revamped to unprecedented levels, just to get over the taste the previous installment left on the public and press. So, you also underestimate the effort Bioware devs would have to put in the game. Do not look to the few Andromeda apologists in the press for validation. They cannot alter the Metacritic score that EA and most publisher are so interested in, nowadays, they are too late in their effort to sway public opinion and they will not drive up sales. The phrase "too little, too late" describes them perfectly. I have no problem with people wanting closure, in fact I wish them the best in finding that in the associated media to be released for Andromeda, through the novels and comic books in the coming months, but Andromeda's story will, most likely, end there. I do not see it having a future, not from a business stand point, anyway. And EA is first and foremost a business, after all. In order to return to Andromeda, however, Bioware first needs to survive. Montreal is gone and just yesterday EA closed down Visceral, as well. Not that Visceral had much of a presence in the field after Dead Space 3, but if Anthem and Dragon Age 4 perform as poorly, there will be no Bioware to make Andromeda 2. Andromeda was Bioware's largest mishap in a series of quality declining releases. And I blame both the devs for that and the community that, in their fear of anything bad happening to Bioware, are reluctant to criticize the developers. You forgot that lack of criticism bring complacency and with that comes deterioration. If we are lucky, the next Mass Effect game will be in 7 years from now. And by then, I am afraid, it will be irrelevant.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 19, 2017 15:13:21 GMT
Putting aside the terrible coping mechanism that is indoctrination theory, do people really want more reapers? I mean Jesus myrrh-huffing Christ Bio squeezed those things dry in the end. woah there neddy. Don't despair. I mean it could all be a dreeeeeeeem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:44:59 GMT
The Andromeda story and Ryder's story has obviously been left not finished... so is wanting to see that story completed such an absurd notion? The press now is saying that this wasn't such as bad game... it's an average game with an average story so far... but one with some potential to grow into a great story... potential at least equal to "another fresh start" and without the downside of alienating those fans who happened to like Ryder's story... particularly since doing ANYTHING but going back to Shepard and rewriting ME3 doesn't satisfy that other group of fans anyways. New fans (people not yet familiar with Mass Effect) may be turned off by the name regardless of what the story is... MET based, MEA based or new ME story... it won't make a lick of difference to them. You underestimate the damage done to the franchise by Andromeda. You underestimate the gaming public's opinion of Bioware after Andromeda and cling to it as if it is some kind of goose that lays golden eggs. Lots of games ended on a cliffhanger that never got a sequel, or closure through DLC of any kind. It's just business. EA understands that, you don't. New fans won't care, old fans will be glad they are not getting more of the same, the isolated members here and there that liked Andromeda's mediocrity are not enough to sustain the franchise, as proven by reality itself. Mass Effect fans and other players will hear Andromeda 2 and avoid it like the plague. If Andromeda enjoyed a million pre-orders, there won't be anything remotely close to that for Andromeda 2, as it will be faced with doubt and scrutiny, from the get-go. If EA does return to Andromeda, the game will have to be revamped to unprecedented levels, just to get over the taste the previous installment left on the public and press. So, you also underestimate the effort Bioware devs would have to put in the game. Do not look to the few Andromeda apologists in the press for validation. They cannot alter the Metacritic score that EA and most publisher are so interested in, nowadays, they are too late in their effort to sway public opinion and they will not drive up sales. The phrase "too little, too late" describes them perfectly. I have no problem with people wanting closure, in fact I wish them the best in finding that in the associated media to be released for Andromeda, through the novels and comic books in the coming months, but Andromeda's story will, most likely, end there. I do not see it having a future, not from a business stand point, anyway. And EA is first and foremost a business, after all. In order to return to Andromeda, however, Bioware first needs to survive. Montreal is gone and just yesterday EA closed down Visceral, as well. Not that Visceral had much of a presence in the field after Dead Space 3, but if Anthem and Dragon Age 4 perform as poorly, there will be no Bioware to make Andromeda 2. Andromeda was Bioware's largest mishap in a series of quality declining releases. And I blame both the devs for that and the community that, in their fear of anything bad happening to Bioware, are reluctant to criticize the developers. You forgot that lack of criticism bring complacency and with that comes deterioration. If we are lucky, the next Mass Effect game will be in 7 years from now. And by then, I am afraid, it will be irrelevant. Not underestimating anything... a new story named Mass Effect does nothing to fix that though. The IP name is damaged. Choosing a new story just alienates those fans who do like Andromeda's story and what to see it finished as well as alienating those who want to see a return to the Trilogy. As such, it is the worst option of the three. A fresh start... to actually be one, has to be a new IP... which ironically is what Anthem is (and it`s still getting heat and hate even before it`s released). The final option, then, is to dismantle Bioware... which could still happen... and hope that other studios will pick up the talent and commit to making SP RPGs. I suspect though that what you're actually proposing isn't a "fresh start" but rather a return to the Trilogy... just trying to dress up the details to make it appear as though it's a fresh start. It's up to Bioware to decide if they want to pander to those fans... they can certainly try; but I really don't think it's going to get any better reception in the end than Andromeda did. As someone else posted here, all of the five years' worth of story ideas proposed by the fans on that front are basically crap. I'm certainly not going to bet that Bioware can do any better. Also, the "Expendables" trend of conveniently pulling aging heroes out of retirement has, I think, really been overdone in recent years and is likely an idea that has jumped the shark. I hear even Sly isn't coming back to do another one.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 19, 2017 16:21:23 GMT
I totally get why people want Shep back, but her arc is done, and it ended well (red/green/blue notwithstanding). She was one of my all time favourite protags but I don't need more of her. A good end is much better than a desperate attempt to revive a character. *His*
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 19, 2017 16:22:08 GMT
I wouldn't mind if it was done right, but that's asking a lot from BioWare nowadays.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2017 16:26:26 GMT
You underestimate the damage done to the franchise by Andromeda. You underestimate the gaming public's opinion of Bioware after Andromeda and cling to it as if it is some kind of goose that lays golden eggs. Lots of games ended on a cliffhanger that never got a sequel, or closure through DLC of any kind. It's just business. EA understands that, you don't. New fans won't care, old fans will be glad they are not getting more of the same, the isolated members here and there that liked Andromeda's mediocrity are not enough to sustain the franchise, as proven by reality itself. Mass Effect fans and other players will hear Andromeda 2 and avoid it like the plague. If Andromeda enjoyed a million pre-orders, there won't be anything remotely close to that for Andromeda 2, as it will be faced with doubt and scrutiny, from the get-go. If EA does return to Andromeda, the game will have to be revamped to unprecedented levels, just to get over the taste the previous installment left on the public and press. So, you also underestimate the effort Bioware devs would have to put in the game. Do not look to the few Andromeda apologists in the press for validation. They cannot alter the Metacritic score that EA and most publisher are so interested in, nowadays, they are too late in their effort to sway public opinion and they will not drive up sales. The phrase "too little, too late" describes them perfectly. I have no problem with people wanting closure, in fact I wish them the best in finding that in the associated media to be released for Andromeda, through the novels and comic books in the coming months, but Andromeda's story will, most likely, end there. I do not see it having a future, not from a business stand point, anyway. And EA is first and foremost a business, after all. In order to return to Andromeda, however, Bioware first needs to survive. Montreal is gone and just yesterday EA closed down Visceral, as well. Not that Visceral had much of a presence in the field after Dead Space 3, but if Anthem and Dragon Age 4 perform as poorly, there will be no Bioware to make Andromeda 2. Andromeda was Bioware's largest mishap in a series of quality declining releases. And I blame both the devs for that and the community that, in their fear of anything bad happening to Bioware, are reluctant to criticize the developers. You forgot that lack of criticism bring complacency and with that comes deterioration. If we are lucky, the next Mass Effect game will be in 7 years from now. And by then, I am afraid, it will be irrelevant. Not underestimating anything... a new story named Mass Effect does nothing to fix that though. The IP name is damaged. Choosing a new story just alienates those fans who do like Andromeda`s story and what to see it finished as well as alienating those who want to see a return to the Trilogy. As such, it`s the worst option of the three. A fresh start... to actually be one... has to be a new IP... which Anthem is... and it`s still getting heat and hate even before it`s released. The final option, then, is to dismantle Bioware... which could still happen. You are posing the ogre's choice by choosing a narrative that fits your perspective, but not actually putting up a legitimate argument. You are proposing that the people who bought Andromeda, would not buy a new Mass Effect game, if it took place in, say, Alpha Centauri. The setting itself is irrelevant, of course, it might as well take place in the Sombrero Galaxy. We know, though, that we cannot go back to the Milky Way, because of the conundrum that is the Original Trilogy endings. Also, the continuous decline of quality in Bioware games is a trend that could result in an even greater disappointment than said endings. While, looking at it as a short term solution, it will generate hype and possibly revenue in terms of pre-orders, a return to the Milky Way would have to be immaculate in its execution, or the fan backlash, in an already tense relationship, would be huge. So my advice to EA/Bioware is do it when it will make sense from a business standpoint, because money is money after all, and also when your developer has a clear, set vision and proper management. Right now Bioware is suffering from both, they cannot execute something of that scope and magnitude. It will backfire and it will bury the studio. The franchise itself is damaged ... by Andromeda and Bioware. It is Bioware's first and foremost concern to rectify its own image first. They are presented with the opportunity to do that, through Anthem, even though it is not the game I want it to be, and Dragon Age, which has deviated as well from the game I want it to be. That does not mean that those games cannot and will not appeal to the gaming audience. I wish the developers good fortunes in their endeavours, every success and that they deliver a prime product, worthy of the "triple A" stature. Even if they succeed, though, should they return to Mass Effect, they must know that the Andromeda name will be every bit as tainted, as it is now. But people still love the Turians, the Krogan, the Quarians, fooling around with biotics, so there is love for Mass Effect. I don't think that they necessarily associate Mass Effect with Andromeda, though. In fact, Andromeda didn't even have to be a Mass Effect game, it could have been the new IP and nobody would have batted an eye. The franchise itself would have been far better off, in hindsight. If closure about Andromeda is what you want, EA and Bioware has promised you that, through the associated media, so Andromeda's story will come to an end. I do not understand what more can you ask of that. It will probably be more detailed and specific to the future of the Initiative than the few vague, voice over slides the original trilogy got as an ending, so, if anything, you are much better off that way. The thing is, with the release of the last of these associated installment, the story of Andromeda will also reach its end, as will the story of Ryder. I really see no reason to cling onto it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2017 16:35:00 GMT
Not underestimating anything... a new story named Mass Effect does nothing to fix that though. The IP name is damaged. Choosing a new story just alienates those fans who do like Andromeda's story and what to see it finished as well as alienating those who want to see a return to the Trilogy. As such, it is the worst option of the three. A fresh start... to actually be one, has to be a new IP... which ironically is what Anthem is (and it`s still getting heat and hate even before it`s released). The final option, then, is to dismantle Bioware... which could still happen... and hope that other studios will pick up the talent and commit to making SP RPGs. I suspect though that what you're actually proposing isn't a "fresh start" but rather a return to the Trilogy... just trying to dress up the details to make it appear as though it's a fresh start. It's up to Bioware to decide if they want to pander to those fans... they can certainly try; but I really don't think it's going to get any better reception in the end than Andromeda did. As someone else posted here, all of the five years' worth of story ideas proposed by the fans on that front are basically crap. I'm certainly not going to bet that Bioware can do any better. Also, the "Expendables" trend of conveniently pulling aging heroes out of retirement has, I think, really been overdone in recent years and is likely an idea that has jumped the shark. I hear even Sly isn't coming back to do another one. And now you've gone and edited your post. But I really like that "I suspect" line. Very nice way to wheedle in the seeds of doubt, a perfect way to warp the conversation into a narrative that benefits your argument. I've said twice, now thrice, I do not want it, for I do not trust them to execute it. I expect every subsequent installment to be even worse and I don't see in Bioware the will to change that. Especially not with "Destiny Killer" Anthem, as it has been dubbed. Whether EA will do it to cash in, it is obviously up to them and in them to direct Bioware in such a direction. It will certainly kill everything off, both Mass Effect and Bioware, I expect. However, I think that insisting in something tarnished, tainted and ridiculed as Andromeda, to be foolish as well. I do not understand how can you not see that.
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Post by Sondergaard on Oct 19, 2017 16:57:49 GMT
The only way I see Mass Effect returning in a half decent state would be a reboot or remaster of the OT. I don't think BioWare have the talent or will to carry on the franchise. Either of these options would be a fairly safe cash grab that would be welcomed by many. And before the hate train starts I'd prefer a new game. I just doubt we'll ever get one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:06:52 GMT
Not underestimating anything... a new story named Mass Effect does nothing to fix that though. The IP name is damaged. Choosing a new story just alienates those fans who do like Andromeda's story and what to see it finished as well as alienating those who want to see a return to the Trilogy. As such, it is the worst option of the three. A fresh start... to actually be one, has to be a new IP... which ironically is what Anthem is (and it`s still getting heat and hate even before it`s released). The final option, then, is to dismantle Bioware... which could still happen... and hope that other studios will pick up the talent and commit to making SP RPGs. I suspect though that what you're actually proposing isn't a "fresh start" but rather a return to the Trilogy... just trying to dress up the details to make it appear as though it's a fresh start. It's up to Bioware to decide if they want to pander to those fans... they can certainly try; but I really don't think it's going to get any better reception in the end than Andromeda did. As someone else posted here, all of the five years' worth of story ideas proposed by the fans on that front are basically crap. I'm certainly not going to bet that Bioware can do any better. Also, the "Expendables" trend of conveniently pulling aging heroes out of retirement has, I think, really been overdone in recent years and is likely an idea that has jumped the shark. I hear even Sly isn't coming back to do another one. And now you've gone and edited your post. But I really like that "I suspect" line. Very nice way to wheedle in the seeds of doubt, a perfect way to warp the conversation into a narrative that benefits your argument. I've said twice, now thrice, I do not want it, for I do not trust them to execute it. I expect every subsequent installment to be even worse and I don't see in Bioware the will to change that. Especially not with "Destiny Killer" Anthem, as it has been dubbed. Whether EA will do it to cash in, it is obviously up to them and in them to direct Bioware in such a direction. It will certainly kill everything off, both Mass Effect and Bioware, I expect. However, I think that insisting in something tarnished, tainted and ridiculed as Andromeda, to be foolish as well. I do not understand how can you not see that. Simple, then the only option left is option 4.... dismantle Bioware and hope that someone else picks up the talent and commits to making SP RPGs (none of which will be named Mass Effect). Bioware can certain try any of the other three options. My personal preference will always be to see the ME:A story through. I don't like leaving a story half-finished. By stating that's my preference, doesn't impede Bioware from anything. I don't think they have any "good" options here at all... and, unfortunately, I think it's only a matter of time before EA figures they aren't getting any good PR out of using the Biware label and they'll decide to dismantle the company... absorbing the people they want to keep and letting the ones they don't go. I've seen it happen a hundred times before in other industries... companies come and go. I don't see why game developers would be any different
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
And now you've gone and edited your post. But I really like that "I suspect" line. Very nice way to wheedle in the seeds of doubt, a perfect way to warp the conversation into a narrative that benefits your argument. I've said twice, now thrice, I do not want it, for I do not trust them to execute it. I expect every subsequent installment to be even worse and I don't see in Bioware the will to change that. Especially not with "Destiny Killer" Anthem, as it has been dubbed. Whether EA will do it to cash in, it is obviously up to them and in them to direct Bioware in such a direction. It will certainly kill everything off, both Mass Effect and Bioware, I expect. However, I think that insisting in something tarnished, tainted and ridiculed as Andromeda, to be foolish as well. I do not understand how can you not see that. Simple, then the only option left is option 4.... dismantle Bioware and hope that someone else picks up the talent and commits to making SP RPGs (none of which will be named Mass Effect). I'd argue there is no talent. Just interns willing to go through crunch for months/years on end with minimum pay, which is a very common picture in the triple A gaming industry, because you have to cut down on expenses, somehow, right? It's the same in Activision, same in Ubisoft, same in EA. You can find articles about it all over the net. I don't see EA selling the rights to Mass Effect, of course. That would lead to competition and EA isn't big on that. Who else would develop EA's RPGs? Do they have any other studios making RPGs? I can't recall any. Not in recent memory anyway. Maybe they'll hand that off to DICE as well.
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Post by LogicGunn on Oct 19, 2017 17:51:02 GMT
I totally get why people want Shep back, but her arc is done, and it ended well (red/green/blue notwithstanding). She was one of my all time favourite protags but I don't need more of her. A good end is much better than a desperate attempt to revive a character. *His*Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 18:14:45 GMT
Simple, then the only option left is option 4.... dismantle Bioware and hope that someone else picks up the talent and commits to making SP RPGs (none of which will be named Mass Effect). I'd argue there is no talent. Just interns willing to go through crunch for months/years on end with minimum pay, which is a very common picture in the triple A gaming industry, because you have to cut down on expenses, somehow, right? It's the same in Activision, same in Ubisoft, same in EA. You can find articles about it all over the net. I don't see EA selling the rights to Mass Effect, of course. That would lead to competition and EA isn't big on that. Who else would develop EA's RPGs? Do they have any other studios making RPGs? I can't recall any. Not in recent memory anyway. Maybe they'll hand that off to DICE as well. Even simpler then for EA... if there is no talent, they'll just decide to let everyone go. Let me put things another way... If Bioware choses now to abandon ME:A, all they gain is a reputation of not finishing their stories. Why would I then be interested in even trying to get myself invested in any other "fresh start" Bioware Mass Effect story... chances are they won't finish it. IMO, their best option (not necessarily a good option, but the best of the all the bad ones they have available to them) is to continue with an ME:A story that provides closure to Ryder's story... and make bloodly well sure that game is nearly perfect and a absolutely fun RPG game better than anything else they've ever produced. ONLY then will they have a chance at staying secure as a company... and that isn't even a great chance given EA's history of closing studios they own. Furthermore... If you don't think an intern can be talented... what hope is there for the long term future on this industry as the old guard talent retires or dies off.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2017 18:21:39 GMT
Even simpler then for EA... if there is no talent, they'll just decide to let everyone go. Let me put things another way... If Bioware choses now to abandon ME:A, all they gain is a reputation of not finishing their stories. Why would I then be interested in even trying to get myself invested in any other "fresh start" Bioware Mass Effect story... chances are they won't finish it. Well, it's not like that's a first for EA. Even with talent involved. But Bioware is going to finish the Andromeda's story. Just not in the game. Haven't you read the Press Releases? Novels and comic books is where it's going to continue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 18:31:14 GMT
Even simpler then for EA... if there is no talent, they'll just decide to let everyone go. Let me put things another way... If Bioware choses now to abandon ME:A, all they gain is a reputation of not finishing their stories. Why would I then be interested in even trying to get myself invested in any other "fresh start" Bioware Mass Effect story... chances are they won't finish it. Well, it's not like that's a first for EA. Even with talent involved. But Bioware is going to finish the Andromeda's story. Just not in the game. Haven't you read the Press Releases? Novels and comic books is where it's going to continue. We'll see won't we... after those stories are released.
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