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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 4, 2017 17:33:01 GMT
I will say it again, MEA is statistically/critcally the worst ME game based on the following factors: 1) It is the only game not to get SP DLC 2) It is the lowest scored ME game 3) It has the lowest amount of GOTY/RPG of the Year awards (Currently it has 0 nominations in both categories from any publication) So just going by those, then yeah, MEA is the worst out of all 4 ME games. Then you have other measures such as: 1) MEA was made by the same studio that also made Omega....which was the lowest scored ME3 DLC. 2) It became an internet joke. Yes, ME3 also walked into such territory with the endings, however ME3 still won a few awards and was granted multiple DLCs, one of them being The Citadel which is considered one of the best if not THE best SP DLC Bioware has ever created. 3) MEA failed to match/out do DAI in terms of sales. After DAI was released, Bioware and EA was on a parade bragging about how DAI was the fastest selling Bioware game ever; and this was after the negative reception that DA2 had. So with EA and Bioware not going out on the same parade post MEA launch, it is clear that MEA failed to deliver sales wise the same way DAI did. The problem I have when people do things like this for Andromeda is a lot of people went into a bubble said these things don't matter when people were talking about how Dragon Age: Inquisition or Mass Effect 3 were not as bad as people were projecting. So why should I care when people try to prove how bad the game is when doing this? I don't have to prove anything. It is a FACT that MEA didn't get SP DLC. It is a FACT that MEA was the lowest scored ME game. It is a FACT that it has the lowest (none at the moment) award nominations. It is a FACT that MEA was made by the same studio that also made the lowest scored/critically panned ME3 DLC. And while it isn't a fact that MEA didn't match DAI's sames numbers, it is almost assumed they didn't because if it did, EA would have mentioned how MEA surpassed DAI and became the new fastest selling Bioware game. The fact that they didn't speaks volumes.
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Post by anarchy65 on Nov 4, 2017 17:47:54 GMT
"Fanbase phenomenon", haha, please, this is a thing that happens mostly with anything. The most recent is almost always "the best in history" or "the worst in history". Many americans say Obama is the "worst president in history of US" (I bet people who say that don't know the name of 10 american presidents without googling it), the player on my soccer team is the worst I've ever seen playing on my team (even if there was a player last year who played far worse), etc. The opposite event is also common: No, the player from the past will always be the best, that president will always be the worst, etc.
And seriously, this phenomenon doesn't even apply to Mass Effect, because Mass Effect 2 is one of the best rated games (by fans and critics). Mass Effect 3 is also a good game, the only thing people really hated was the ending (it was justified, but nobody said it was the worst game ever). Mass Effect: Andromeda is, objectively, the worst Mass Effect game, and this has nothing to do with "Fanbase phenomenon", but with the fact that it is a terrible game, and even their own creators recognize it.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 18:21:58 GMT
I was bullied when I said that I didn't mind the ending, not to mention the pure hostility that was there to anything positive said about the game. People did plenty of FIFY when others were talking about things they liked. Can't say I remember being bullied for not minding the ending that much. I left because the general negativity annoyed me. Couldn't get behind ten minutes ruining the entire trilogy. How I remember it at least was that the anger was more directed at Bioware and not at people liking the game. But sorry to hear that you got bullied! What would bullying actually look like in this context, anyway? If someone tries to insult you for behaving different personal tastes he's being an idiot, and it's not like the opinions of idiots have any merit. (I kind of like being disliked by idiots, actually.)
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Post by Iakus on Nov 4, 2017 18:25:55 GMT
Can't say I remember being bullied for not minding the ending that much. I left because the general negativity annoyed me. Couldn't get behind ten minutes ruining the entire trilogy. How I remember it at least was that the anger was more directed at Bioware and not at people liking the game. But sorry to hear that you got bullied! What would bullying actually look like in this context, anyway? If someone tries to insult you for behaving different personal tastes he's being an idiot, and it's not like the opinions of idiots have any merit. (I kind of like being disliked by idiots, actually.) I got death threats on the old forum for my opinions on ME3.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 18:28:28 GMT
"Fanbase phenomenon", haha, please, this is a thing that happens mostly with anything. The most recent is almost always "the best in history" or "the worst in history". Many americans say Obama is the "worst president in history of US" (I bet people who say that don't know the name of 10 american presidents without googling it) And most of the rest think the worst is the current guy. Who is, technically, still in the running for the title of Worst President Ever, but Buchanan set an awfully high bar for that; he'd have to blunder into a thermonuclear war or something of that nature to top letting the Civil War get out of hand the way it did. I don't think "objectively the worst" can ever fly -- you're blundering straight into the fact/value distinction there. Try "worst-received" instead -- that's objective and measurable fact.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 18:28:56 GMT
What would bullying actually look like in this context, anyway? If someone tries to insult you for behaving different personal tastes he's being an idiot, and it's not like the opinions of idiots have any merit. (I kind of like being disliked by idiots, actually.) I got death threats on the old forum for my opinions on ME3. Really? I'm jealous. From anyone I'd know?
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Post by Iakus on Nov 4, 2017 18:41:20 GMT
I got death threats on the old forum for my opinions on ME3. Really? I'm jealous. From anyone I'd know? Doubt it. At least, after five years, the names have faded so they couldn't have left a huge impression on the forums. But I did end up reporting several PMs I got. One memorable one involved a description of me becoming intimately familiar with a shotgun.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 18:47:58 GMT
Yikes.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Nov 4, 2017 19:04:34 GMT
You are not the only one. I have seen this cycle repeat over and over again over the years. I've seen this happen with the DA fanbase as well. Never realized that DA2 was apparently such a good game until DAI came out. I haven't heard DA:2 called a great game OK then, it was a great game. I'm a bit confused by all the people saying ME1 had poor gameplay. If you play as an adept it's amazingly fun. As for RPG fans, they can't see the wood for the stats. 'twas ever thus.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 4, 2017 19:49:45 GMT
That's how I learned to laugh at people who call me an "entitled gamer" I know what the truly entitled act like.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Nov 4, 2017 20:02:01 GMT
For me it is: ME1 >>> ME2 >>> ME3 I dont list MEA cause I dont see it as a true and serious ME game worthy of being part of the franchise. To me it is a really bad fan fiction. You getting all uppity and claiming MEA isn't "worthy" doesn't make it any less a part of the Mass Effect franchise. I may not like it as much as the trilogy but that doesn't make it any less of a Mass Effect game.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 20:08:23 GMT
I haven't heard DA:2 called a great game OK then, it was a great game. I'm a bit confused by all the people saying ME1 had poor gameplay. If you play as an adept it's amazingly fun. I find adepts a bit OP at high levels. Then again, ME1 falls apart generally at high levels.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 4, 2017 21:05:52 GMT
Can't say I remember being bullied for not minding the ending that much. I left because the general negativity annoyed me. Couldn't get behind ten minutes ruining the entire trilogy. How I remember it at least was that the anger was more directed at Bioware and not at people liking the game. But sorry to hear that you got bullied! What would bullying actually look like in this context, anyway? If someone tries to insult you for behaving different personal tastes he's being an idiot, and it's not like the opinions of idiots have any merit. (I kind of like being disliked by idiots, actually.) The one I remember the most was someone claiming they had found out where I live and I need to watch my back because they were gunning for me.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 4, 2017 21:09:03 GMT
I haven't heard DA:2 called a great game OK then, it was a great game. I'm a bit confused by all the people saying ME1 had poor gameplay. If you play as an adept it's amazingly fun. As for RPG fans, they can't see the wood for the stats. 'twas ever thus. Out of curiosity did you try the other five classes? I would agree that the adept was fun, but the problem is the other classes weren't as fun because BioWare didn't balance the classes correctly. BioWare did get better at the balancing game with Mass Effect 2, but Mass Effect 1 if you weren't playing one of the better classes the gameplay was far from great.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 4, 2017 21:36:20 GMT
OK then, it was a great game. I'm a bit confused by all the people saying ME1 had poor gameplay. If you play as an adept it's amazingly fun. I find adepts a bit OP at high levels. Then again, ME1 falls apart generally at high levels. To be honest all the Mass Effect games have difficulty that falls apart at high levels with the right setup. BioWare just isn't all that great at balance when you get down to it. I'd still say that ME3 Vanguard is more broken than ME1 Adepts, though.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 4, 2017 21:43:45 GMT
Fortunately for me, I just don't like Vanguard gameplay.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Nov 5, 2017 0:10:12 GMT
What would bullying actually look like in this context, anyway? If someone tries to insult you for behaving different personal tastes he's being an idiot, and it's not like the opinions of idiots have any merit. (I kind of like being disliked by idiots, actually.) I got death threats on the old forum for my opinions on ME3. It truely is amazing how Internet anonymity can turn likely decent, ordinary people into wannabe serial killers.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 5, 2017 0:19:36 GMT
I remember when ME2 was released and a lot of people hated how streamlined it was compared to the first. I also remember people saying that ME3 was horrible in general and people were ignoring its other flaws because of the ending. Now both are considered practically the best ever.
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Post by river82 on Nov 5, 2017 1:03:04 GMT
I got death threats on the old forum for my opinions on ME3. It truely is amazing how Internet anonymity can turn likely decent, ordinary people into wannabe serial killers. It's rare to find someone you don't agree with that you can have civil yet robust discussions with about topics. A lot of the time challenging someone's opinion will cause them to lash out aggressive, get all defensive, or result in them retreating into their own little echo chamber. Tragic stuff.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Nov 5, 2017 1:40:26 GMT
ven Sadly true. People laugh at "Social Justice Warriors" for getting triggered when someone attacks their identity but the fact matter is it's a universal phenomenon. When you attack or even question someone's opinion, ideology, religion, or politics many people will treat that as a personal attack on their very identity as a human being and thus can't have a detached and rational conversation. The same is true for a lot of gamers, a lot of whom bizarrely enjoy defining themselves solely as gamers. Thus, when a major critic, social activist, or even random person on the Internet criticizes their favorite game they can't just accept that people have different tastes or dispassionately make a counter-argument. No instead they are compelled to prove their "attacker" wrong regardless of how subjective the argument is.
I mean, for God's sake people have literally killed each other arguments about which soccer team is best, so people being aggressive about their favorite video is no surprise.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 5, 2017 3:45:56 GMT
I remember when ME2 was released and a lot of people hated how streamlined it was compared to the first. I also remember people saying that ME3 was horrible in general and people were ignoring its other flaws because of the ending. Now both are considered practically the best ever. And both of them won awards, had high review scores, and SP DLC. Cant say the same about MEA....
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 5, 2017 4:28:14 GMT
I remember when ME2 was released and a lot of people hated how streamlined it was compared to the first. I also remember people saying that ME3 was horrible in general and people were ignoring its other flaws because of the ending. Now both are considered practically the best ever. And both of them won awards, had high review scores, and SP DLC. Cant say the same about MEA.... Neither of them had a bunch of people determined to make them fail even before release due to either political reasons or bitterness over how the previous game ended.
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Post by abaris on Nov 5, 2017 10:04:18 GMT
Neither of them had a bunch of people determined to make them fail even before release due to either political reasons or bitterness over how the previous game ended. Do you even hear yourself talking? The notion that there's some big bad and organized crowd, being out to sink one particular brand of one particular company is conspiracy material at it's finest. It's absurd on so many different levels, starting out with every company having to deal with the same kind of social media environment when releaing a new product. And then there's the professional angle of things. A major company, such as EA, has highly trained professionals in the field of crisis PR. It's a relatively new field that came to be with the birth of social media. Their only task is to counter shitstorms on the internet. But the company in question has to provide them with the necessary tools to do so. In the case of MEA they obviously didn't because the mother company obviously decided it wouldn't be worth the effort. Which brought one of the golden rules of PR into effect: If you can't say anything positive, don't say anything at all.
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Post by anarchy65 on Nov 5, 2017 15:30:11 GMT
And both of them won awards, had high review scores, and SP DLC. Cant say the same about MEA.... Neither of them had a bunch of people determined to make them fail even before release due to either political reasons or bitterness over how the previous game ended. It's the Illuminati, right? I bet it's them!
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Post by anarchy65 on Nov 5, 2017 15:33:39 GMT
Here you can see people secretly conspiring to make Mass Effect: Andromeda fail
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