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Post by smilesja on Nov 26, 2017 0:15:10 GMT
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 26, 2017 0:41:09 GMT
Maybe it's because you just don't care if you're ripped off. You're obviously quite comfortable with being asked to fork out again after having bought a full priced AAA game. Which is why game companies are able to get away with it. maybe he didn't feel ripped off? I know i don't. I've never spent a cent on microtransactions and I've never needed to. Neither have I to enjoy a game.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 26, 2017 0:45:09 GMT
To be honest, I know what is going on here and it all has to do what what happened to MEA and what could possibly happen to Anthem (and by extension, Bioware). Regardless of that you think of MEA, it is clear that the internet backlash from the very beginning had a lot to do with the reception that MEA had. MEA essentially became a meme generator and ultimately it is possible that the lack of SP DLC and the lack of any true commitment to a MEA2 being announced is due to the internet backlash against MEA early on. Now that the internet backlash tsunami is focusing on SWBF2, a lot of Bioware fans about becoming anxious. Anthem is going to be a MP driven game and no doubt will have some sort of MT/lootbox system. Considering the national (and global) backlash against SWBF2 lootboxes, and given EA's drive to monetize games through MTs, a lot of Bioware fans are putting 2 and 2 together and seeing how this could be a problem for Anthem and Bioware as a whole. This isn't about SWBF2 anymore as the damage has already been done to that game and this is definately not about MEA anymore. This is about Anthem and insuring that what happened with MEA and SWBF2 does not happen with Anthem. So to be proactive, a lot of Bioware fans are essentially defending EA/SWBF2 because they do not want what happened with previous games (SWBF2/MEA) to happen with Anthem. Thats what all of this is about. Of course you will deny it but that is what it is. Anthem will have MTs in some capacity....Anthem is a Bioware game....Bioware is tied to EA......EA is pushing for the MT forumula in their games......SWBF2 had these MTs and is being chastised for it.....Anthem could be chastised as well.....the "internet" took down MEA/SWBF2......and the "internet" could very well take down Anthem.....if Anthem fails......Bioware could be done for and DA4 in jeopardy. So from a hardcore Bioware fan/loyalist perspective, it is in the best interest that the industry/media/gamers just shuts the hell up about MTs and accept whatever EA gives us because EA is surely going to have MTs in Anthem. If that is your best against microtransactions and loot boxes then you are NOT helping your cause. Blaming MEA for it while it does have them in the MP but guess what? I have NEVER played the MP mode in MEA and I haven't paid one penny for a lootbox and have no plans to do either. I also have little interest in Anthem and the more I learn about it the more indifferent and/or confused I have become to it.
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Post by arreyanne on Nov 26, 2017 1:20:03 GMT
The game was a disappointment. ME:A that is, I cant get even get through a NG+ game. I get to the part past meeting the Angarra and go Yawn, don't I have something a bit more fun and interesting to play? OH yeah I do ME3 or ME2, or good forbid, Elder Scrolls Online almost as boring as ME:A.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Nov 26, 2017 1:57:20 GMT
If you're really trying to get Bioware's attention, It'd be better to post this to the Reddit... At this point, a Ouija board would probably be best. Or a smoke signal. He could always hire a skywriter.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 26, 2017 6:41:47 GMT
I know I'm supposed to feel bad about this stuff. I'm just trying to find out why. Maybe it's because you just don't care if you're ripped off. You're obviously quite comfortable with being asked to fork out again after having bought a full priced AAA game. Which is why game companies are able to get away with it. Being asked to fork over money never bothers me, yes. If it's worth it I do, and if it's not I don't. When does the problem show up?
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Post by Guts on Nov 26, 2017 10:23:18 GMT
Well, I wasn't really talking about progression. I have a tough time relating to that. I wouldn't pay, but I don't care if somebody else does pay. (Though like I said upthread, I see the issue with PvP.) The essence is that even if you choose not to pay, you would still be at a disadvantage because the points you earn in game are so low, that the only logical way to keep up is to buy loot boxes. In a PvP game like SWFB2, that creates problems and introduces Pay 2 Win scenarios. I have a problem with MT's if: A. They are in a P2P game. (Like SWBF2, I mean seriously I see no point in spending more money on a game that I paid $60 for, unless it was some good DLC) or B. They are implemented very poorly into a F2P game, I.E. a P2W game. (Team Fortress 2 for instance doesn't have this issue, Planetside 2 was also fine in this regard as the starting weapons were strong enough that an experienced player could kick ass with them. But several F2P EA games have this problem, like Dungeon Keeper mobile. This is why I don't buy EA games that often) EDIT: I did however dislike the behavior of some people in TF2 towards F2P players at times, oh and the hat craving was ridiculous. (I remember some pricks even using the term "F2P" in a similar context to calling a black guy the "N"-Word.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 26, 2017 13:27:01 GMT
To be honest, I know what is going on here and it all has to do what what happened to MEA and what could possibly happen to Anthem (and by extension, Bioware). Regardless of that you think of MEA, it is clear that the internet backlash from the very beginning had a lot to do with the reception that MEA had. MEA essentially became a meme generator and ultimately it is possible that the lack of SP DLC and the lack of any true commitment to a MEA2 being announced is due to the internet backlash against MEA early on. Now that the internet backlash tsunami is focusing on SWBF2, a lot of Bioware fans about becoming anxious. Anthem is going to be a MP driven game and no doubt will have some sort of MT/lootbox system. Considering the national (and global) backlash against SWBF2 lootboxes, and given EA's drive to monetize games through MTs, a lot of Bioware fans are putting 2 and 2 together and seeing how this could be a problem for Anthem and Bioware as a whole. This isn't about SWBF2 anymore as the damage has already been done to that game and this is definately not about MEA anymore. This is about Anthem and insuring that what happened with MEA and SWBF2 does not happen with Anthem. So to be proactive, a lot of Bioware fans are essentially defending EA/SWBF2 because they do not want what happened with previous games (SWBF2/MEA) to happen with Anthem. Thats what all of this is about. Of course you will deny it but that is what it is. Anthem will have MTs in some capacity....Anthem is a Bioware game....Bioware is tied to EA......EA is pushing for the MT forumula in their games......SWBF2 had these MTs and is being chastised for it.....Anthem could be chastised as well.....the "internet" took down MEA/SWBF2......and the "internet" could very well take down Anthem.....if Anthem fails......Bioware could be done for and DA4 in jeopardy. So from a hardcore Bioware fan/loyalist perspective, it is in the best interest that the industry/media/gamers just shuts the hell up about MTs and accept whatever EA gives us because EA is surely going to have MTs in Anthem. The MP modes in ME3 and DA:I also had microtransactions and loot boxes and NO ONE has raised a stink about it. So unless you condemn the microtransactions and loot boxes in ME3 and DA:I and just bitch about the microtransactions and loot boxes in ME:A then you are the blind idiot fanboy that you are railing against. I refuse to take you seriously as an anti-microtranactions/lootbox crusader that you claim to be. Either condemn the transactions and lootboxes in ME3 and DA:I or you are fucking hypocrite.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 26, 2017 19:49:50 GMT
To be honest, I know what is going on here and it all has to do what what happened to MEA and what could possibly happen to Anthem (and by extension, Bioware). Regardless of that you think of MEA, it is clear that the internet backlash from the very beginning had a lot to do with the reception that MEA had. MEA essentially became a meme generator and ultimately it is possible that the lack of SP DLC and the lack of any true commitment to a MEA2 being announced is due to the internet backlash against MEA early on. Now that the internet backlash tsunami is focusing on SWBF2, a lot of Bioware fans about becoming anxious. Anthem is going to be a MP driven game and no doubt will have some sort of MT/lootbox system. Considering the national (and global) backlash against SWBF2 lootboxes, and given EA's drive to monetize games through MTs, a lot of Bioware fans are putting 2 and 2 together and seeing how this could be a problem for Anthem and Bioware as a whole. This isn't about SWBF2 anymore as the damage has already been done to that game and this is definately not about MEA anymore. This is about Anthem and insuring that what happened with MEA and SWBF2 does not happen with Anthem. So to be proactive, a lot of Bioware fans are essentially defending EA/SWBF2 because they do not want what happened with previous games (SWBF2/MEA) to happen with Anthem. Thats what all of this is about. Of course you will deny it but that is what it is. Anthem will have MTs in some capacity....Anthem is a Bioware game....Bioware is tied to EA......EA is pushing for the MT forumula in their games......SWBF2 had these MTs and is being chastised for it.....Anthem could be chastised as well.....the "internet" took down MEA/SWBF2......and the "internet" could very well take down Anthem.....if Anthem fails......Bioware could be done for and DA4 in jeopardy. So from a hardcore Bioware fan/loyalist perspective, it is in the best interest that the industry/media/gamers just shuts the hell up about MTs and accept whatever EA gives us because EA is surely going to have MTs in Anthem. The MP modes in ME3 and DA:I also had microtransactions and loot boxes and NO ONE has raised a stink about it. So unless you condemn the microtransactions and loot boxes in ME3 and DA:I and just bitch about the microtransactions and loot boxes in ME:A then you are the blind idiot fanboy that you are railing against. I refuse to take you seriously as an anti-microtranactions/lootbox crusader that you claim to be. Either condemn the transactions and lootboxes in ME3 and DA:I or you are fucking hypocrite. Apparently the BF 2 ones are different because they are tied to progression... granted I feel that is kind of like no true difference, but that is the argument.
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Post by abaris on Nov 26, 2017 21:32:55 GMT
They're all the same across the board. The companies are walking a very fine line there. Progress in these games is very slow and tedious by design. Frustratingly so, in order for people to buy what they otherwise can only achieve by countless hours of grinding. But they can still say, you don't have to buy anything in order to progress. Which is true, but a tiresome chore. Seeing as I don't play MP, it's none of my major concerns, other than showing some solidarity with players being borderline coned. But right now some companies try to sneak the same system into SP. And that's an entirely different matter, since it concerns every player. It's obviously a goldmine for the companies involved and the only reason for them to drop it is, if they're facing a shitstorm of biblical proportions. Which obviously is the reason why EA dropped it for now. But the operative word is "for now".
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Post by colfoley on Nov 26, 2017 21:39:40 GMT
They're all the same across the board. The companies are walking a very fine line there. Progress in these games is very slow and tedious by design. Frustratingly so, in order for people to buy what they otherwise can only achieve by countless hours of grinding. But they can still say, you don't have to buy anything in order to progress. Which is true, but a tiresome chore. Seeing as I don't play MP, it's none of my major concerns, other than showing some solidarity with players being borderline coned. But right now some companies try to sneak the same system into SP. And that's an entirely different matter, since it concerns every player. It's obviously a goldmine for the companies involved and the only reason for them to drop it is, if they're facing a shitstorm of biblical proportions. Which obviously is the reason why EA dropped it for now. But the operative word is "for now". I'm sorry but i just find this 'progress is slow and tedious' argument from RPG players reaaaaaalllllllyyy ironic.
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Post by abaris on Nov 26, 2017 21:51:47 GMT
I'm sorry but i just find this 'progress is slow and tedious' argument from RPG players reaaaaaalllllllyyy ironic. Then you obviously don't understand how that system looks. Slow and tedious as in grinding for points, not for entertainment value. But you all go on defending it. Have fun with what the companies dish out in the future in terms of microtransactions. It's a billion dollar market in the UK alone. So there's no reason to roll back unless the market shows them their limits.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 26, 2017 21:55:55 GMT
I'm sorry but i just find this 'progress is slow and tedious' argument from RPG players reaaaaaalllllllyyy ironic. Then you obviously don't understand how that system looks. Slow and tedious as in grinding for points, not for entertainment value. But you all go on defending it. Have fun with what the companies dish out in the future in terms of microtransactions. It's a billion dollar market in the UK alone. So there's no reason to roll back unless the market shows them their limits. that wasn't a defense. That was a statement on how whacked the universe can be because every RPG...heck most games...has an element of not fun grind to it to pad it's run time.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 26, 2017 22:28:48 GMT
I'm sorry but i just find this 'progress is slow and tedious' argument from RPG players reaaaaaalllllllyyy ironic. Then you obviously don't understand how that system looks. Slow and tedious as in grinding for points, not for entertainment value. But you all go on defending it. Have fun with what the companies dish out in the future in terms of microtransactions. It's a billion dollar market in the UK alone. So there's no reason to roll back unless the market shows them their limits. He doesn't, anything that remotely puts BioWare in a bad light is ignored, but you certainly have a point, games are becoming with time tedious and boring to go through due to design, so you're willing to waste money with lootboxes. This was seen in Shadow of War, that shitty ass Battlefront 2, and now Destiny 2 where they got caught reducing the amount of XP the player earns as he levels up. But nah, this is fine, even when governments are now looking into it.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 26, 2017 23:06:34 GMT
Aren't governments looking into lootboxes because they're gambling? Not a huge fan of the nanny state, myself.
Whwther progression is too slow or not is awfully subjective. I've found that DAI'sGolden Nug and ME:A's Strike Team missions make the games worse, so I don't use them. YMMV.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 26, 2017 23:17:52 GMT
Then you obviously don't understand how that system looks. Slow and tedious as in grinding for points, not for entertainment value. But you all go on defending it. Have fun with what the companies dish out in the future in terms of microtransactions. It's a billion dollar market in the UK alone. So there's no reason to roll back unless the market shows them their limits. He doesn't, anything that remotely puts BioWare in a bad light is ignored, but you certainly have a point, games are becoming with time tedious and boring to go through due to design, so you're willing to waste money with lootboxes. This was seen in Shadow of War, that shitty ass Battlefront 2, and now Destiny 2 where they got caught reducing the amount of XP the player earns as he levels up. But nah, this is fine, even when governments are now looking into it. what does bioware have to do with this? And how am i ignoring this issue?
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Post by smilesja on Nov 27, 2017 1:35:06 GMT
He doesn't, anything that remotely puts BioWare in a bad light is ignored, but you certainly have a point, games are becoming with time tedious and boring to go through due to design, so you're willing to waste money with lootboxes. This was seen in Shadow of War, that shitty ass Battlefront 2, and now Destiny 2 where they got caught reducing the amount of XP the player earns as he levels up. But nah, this is fine, even when governments are now looking into it. what does bioware have to do with this? And how am i ignoring this issue? Everything that's wrong with games today is all Bioware's fault don't you know?
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Post by smilesja on Nov 27, 2017 1:35:32 GMT
And Battlefront 2 a bad game? Funny.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 27, 2017 2:25:05 GMT
And Battlefront 2 a bad game? Funny. It's not a bad game, but the progression system ruins it.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 27, 2017 2:36:59 GMT
But it's not a bad game.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Nov 27, 2017 6:32:30 GMT
Family issues was one of the strongest ideas they had. I fully support the decision to create a drama where the key characters belonged to a same family. Too bad the game turns out to be unfinished. I really really wish we could have Scott or Sara as a teammate and a companion. I really wanted to work more with my daddy-o. I really wanted to talk with my mom. Listing these makes me very sad and disappointed. I don't know why they "killed of" so many potential characters and stories with them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 10:13:52 GMT
What a high bar it's managed to cross.
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Post by mannyray on Nov 27, 2017 10:31:25 GMT
He doesn't, anything that remotely puts BioWare in a bad light is ignored, but you certainly have a point, games are becoming with time tedious and boring to go through due to design, so you're willing to waste money with lootboxes. This was seen in Shadow of War, that shitty ass Battlefront 2, and now Destiny 2 where they got caught reducing the amount of XP the player earns as he levels up. But nah, this is fine, even when governments are now looking into it. what does bioware have to do with this? And how am i ignoring this issue? Good question. I'm not sure, beyond implications for Anthem, what dog Bioware has in this fight. I do think Battlefront 2 is a good game. However you've referred to it as an rpg which, like other rpg's, would have some element of tedium and some time sinks. Beyond the single player campaign (which I started and it appears to be fairly bare bones) this game, at its core revolves around pvp above and beyond any other play mode. The fact that loot boxes effect progression and unlocks of more powerful weapons/equipment on top of a $60 or more pricetag AND a noticeable timesink grind makes this game tip way too far into the P2W column. If boxes were not available with real money or if said cash shop items were purely aesthetic, I'd be okay with it and tell the babies to take their ritalin and grind. Beyond the cynical, seemingly desperate cashgrab by EA, I think BF2 is a very fun game I'll eventually own. I'm just going to speak with my wallet and wait until late winter, spring or a time the game goes on sale. Had EA not started behaving like bottomfeeding carp grubbing up anything they could from the dirt at the bottom of the creekbed I could have paid full price sooner and been perfectly happy to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 10:31:28 GMT
Aren't governments looking into lootboxes because they're gambling? Not a huge fan of the nanny state, myself. Whwther progression is too slow or not is awfully subjective. I've found that DAI'sGolden Nug and ME:A's Strike Team missions make the games worse, so I don't use them. YMMV. Since Bungie have now been copped for rigging progression as well (not to loot boxes btw), It seems to be becoming almost the norm in AAA games. Funny that, because as far as I'm concerned, Blizzard Activision is the main reason why Loot Boxes exist at all in their current state. Before you say "well derp, lootboxes in Overwatch are cosmetic", yes they are, but the willingness of the playerbase to accept them allowed companies like EA to test the waters on paid progression. From my POV, the lootbox system in Battlefront II is gambling. I know the games publishers will argue the case, but as the guy from Hawaii said, it's like a Star Wars Online Casino. The only thing missing is the coin slot. You want progression, insert bank details here.... And HOPE you get what you paid for.
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Post by abaris on Nov 27, 2017 10:48:00 GMT
Funny that, because as far as I'm concerned, Blizzard Activision is the main reason why Loot Boxes exist at all in their current state. Before you say "well derp, lootboxes in Overwatch are cosmetic", yes they are, but the willingness of the playerbase to accept them allowed companies like EA to test the waters on paid progression. I don't think it would be legal to tie progression to paid content. Not if you already paid full price for a full product. But, as I said, it's not illegal to make progression as tiresome as possible without paid content. Angry Joe did the math on how much time you'd have to spend on grinding, if you don't buy loot boxes. For SWBF2, before they decided on temporarily removing the boxes.
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