Bioware! Enough is enough.

Do you remember what the math looked like? (I don't find Angry Joe interesting enough to finish a vid.)

Best game since Battlefront 2 in 2005.

Best Star Wars game?

I think if you wanted everything via loot boxes instead of grinding it works out at about $2,100 if i recall.
The grind would be thousands of hours I think.

Really? Because it looks like you were. And it was not funny, like at all.

Yeah, the grinding was somewhere in the hundreds if not thousands of hours. I don't remember the 2100 bucks though. It was much cheaper, far as I remember.

What if they're raffling off booze?

Lots of things are TECHNICALLY gambling. Raffles are gambling, lucky dips are gambling. Tombola and gachapon are gambling. Where any given country's laws draw the line in a legal sense is not at all clear. If someone suffers from a gambling addiction, managing it is really their own responsibility, as is the case for every other form of addiction.

Though if lootboxes ARE to be considered gambling, and there's a fairly sound argument that they ought to be, then that definitely creates a problem for developers. PEGI does not allow gambling in games for minors (which arguably includes any game rated lower than 18+), even when real money is not involved. For example, the Pokemon series had to stop including its traditional Game Corner minigames, even though no real legal tender is involved in playing those games.

Even if PEGI doesn't consider lootboxes to be a form of gambling, other countries might enforce legislation that classifies them as such, or even makes them outright illegal, and that will be a huge hassle. Australia has laws about depicting drug use in games, and that has required developers to change content (like the Fallout series changing the names of real-world drugs to new, original names) or remove it (South Park SoT and Saint's Row IV being recent examples), in order to be able to sell their games here.

If Australia or other countries implement legislation that makes lootboxes illegal, or even just legally classifies them as a form of gambling, it'll be pretty interesting to see if developers think including them is worth missing out on that country's market.

Yeah, but that DOES mean it is no longer gambling. Gambling requires that you wager "something of value". If the mystery box is a free gift, then you haven't lost anything.

If you are buying in-game currency PURELY for the free mystery prize, and the in-game currency has no value to you otherwise, that is really your own problem. Like I said at the start, individuals have a responsibility to manage their own addictions. Liquor stores are not on the hook for alcoholics.

It's actually hilarious that you are getting worked over me liking a game you don't like.

Wouldn't "laughy" require someone to actually post something funny? All I'm getting out of this thread is eye rolls.

BioWare is now inserting lootboxes into their games that directly affects how the game is built to accommodate them, and you're giving it a shitty reason to excuse them. DA4 will be no different, maybe worse.

I mean, Battlefront 2... just look at it. A turd of game made a thousands time worse due to its pay-to-win progression system and managed to be no better than the awful Battlefront (2015). Hope it doesn't get into the SP of BioWare games too, but hey - you would probably find a terrible and apologetic thought to say "it's okay, it's BioWare."