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Post by Sartoz on Jun 4, 2020 6:37:59 GMT
Interesting enough, Larian Studios went further with the Origins idea and I believe DA4 would benefit.
The idea? We can customize our companions from the CC screen. Not only can we choose the pre-baked ones but create our very own party members with their own backgrounds and modify their stats from a general pool of mercenaries... and the world will react to who they are/come from...
Origins gimmicky? I don't think so. It does offer re-play potential and that's not a bad thing.
Whao, what game did this?
It's from Swen Vincke from Baldur's Gate 3.
"... On top of that, we will also be able to recruit generic mercenaries and customize them, and while this won’t be immediately available in early access, the team is planning to let players create a party directly from the character creation screen...."
While I believe it's an awesome idea, I doubt Bio will upgrade their DA4 CC or provide backstories to your creations and have the game world react to their background. With two year+ to go, there is no time to add complexities into the game.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 4, 2020 7:12:45 GMT
I mean we've seen qunari in the slave markets up for sale in the comics right? Presumably those slaves have to be allowed to go about their jobs unmolested or else they have no value. So presumably they aren't so long as they're wearing the suitable slave adornments. Most qunari slaves are probably in positions that are watched by guards since they're captured enemies, and tal vashoth probably aren't anymore trusted what with the potential for Ben hassrath infiltrators. But I'm sure any slave bearing the mark of an Altus is allowed freedom of movement to carry out their tasks (and it wouldn't surprise me if more than one of them had made breaking an oxman into a trophy slave a goal). Maevaris Tilani, Dorian Pavus, or Francesca Invidus could give the pc their symbol of ownership to allow the pc freedom of movement. My point is if the devs wants the ex-inquisitor vashoth or a new qunari/vashoth pc to walk around Tevinter they can do it. Of course they can come up with some convoluted rationale for it. I still doubt the world would reflect it well. If it’s a new protagonist and they are looking at areas to trim the extra race added to inquisition, which is far harder work to include well in a Tevinter setting is an obvious one for the scalpel imo.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 4, 2020 12:29:50 GMT
I fully expect that Dorian giving us some official status as an agent of his house will be used as an equalizer regardless of origin.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 4, 2020 15:12:47 GMT
I fully expect that Dorian giving us some official status as an agent of his house will be used as an equalizer regardless of origin. I really hope we are not forced to be an agent of his house.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jun 4, 2020 22:53:04 GMT
I think DA4 will end up having a shared Origin again like DA2 did and that Origin is the DA4 PC is a Slave.We will also have all the race choices from Inquistion back here's hoping at least.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 5, 2020 12:00:44 GMT
I fully expect that Dorian giving us some official status as an agent of his house will be used as an equalizer regardless of origin. I really hope we are not forced to be an agent of his house. Well, it will probably be more of a cover than us being his servant
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 5, 2020 14:40:12 GMT
Mage spells. That's my interest not Dorian, Solas or the Inqui. I don't give a rats azz about them.
All these nonsensical Twit posts by Bio don't tell me if the Mage is restored from being neutered. Where are my Arcane, Arcane Warrior, Blood Mage, Shapeshifter, Spirit Healer schools? Or how about Primal, Creation, Spirit, and Entropy schools? We all seem to have forgotten about that and accepted DA:I combat system .
Twit users ought to ask hard questions regarding Mage spells, imo.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 5, 2020 14:50:41 GMT
I really hope we are not forced to be an agent of his house. Well, it will probably be more of a cover than us being his servant Same difference really if you're not allowed to operate without it.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Jun 5, 2020 14:56:52 GMT
I wonder what other origins BW willl use in DA4 that will make sense storywise I still think Slave is the most likely choice.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 5, 2020 15:28:09 GMT
I wonder what other origins BW willl use in DA4 that will make sense storywise I still think Slave is the most likely choice. Well we don't know the story yet but if it's supposed to be about tracking down and stopping solas i'd hope not to be a slave. Mages(Tevinter praeteri), non mage(Crow Origin for elves, Carta for dwarves, Tevinter soldier for humans)
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Post by Garo on Jun 5, 2020 16:09:36 GMT
I mean if they could outsource Nomad from ME: A to Need For Speed team maybe they should outsource CC to Maxis
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 5, 2020 23:59:53 GMT
Lord of Fortune could be another potential background.
Treasure hunters from Rivain that travel throughout Thedas doing commissions, whether that's going into an ancient tomb, stealing am item from a city, or picking up a bounty on a monster.
What little else we know of them is that they include members of multiple races and that they'll offer to train people not from Rivain. Possibly the only requirement to become a Lord of Fortune is another Lord's sponsorship?
If we're playing an inquisitor I expect to see one as a companion, but if we're playing a new pc then they are an alternate background to slave that allows for any race.
Perhaps the origin story could begin with you doing your latest contract to retrieve an artefact for a client (the executors? The inquisition? Fangs of fen'harel?) And things go awry when you realise what/how dangerous the item is -
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 6, 2020 1:34:55 GMT
I wonder what other origins BW willl use in DA4 that will make sense storywise I still think Slave is the most likely choice. Well we don't know the story yet but if it's supposed to be about tracking down and stopping solas i'd hope not to be a slave. Mages(Tevinter praeteri), non mage(Crow Origin for elves, Carta for dwarves, Tevinter soldier for humans) I want to have a number of options, but why are you not liking the slave origin idea?
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 6, 2020 7:15:53 GMT
Well we don't know the story yet but if it's supposed to be about tracking down and stopping solas i'd hope not to be a slave. Mages(Tevinter praeteri), non mage(Crow Origin for elves, Carta for dwarves, Tevinter soldier for humans) I want to have a number of options, but why are you not liking the slave origin idea? The mage origin could be former slave before their magical ability appeared. but I don’t like the current slave origin as i’d Prefer to see Mc be an independent figure in their own right.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 6, 2020 10:58:03 GMT
I want to have a number of options, but why are you not liking the slave origin idea? The mage origin could be former slave before their magical ability appeared. but I don’t like the current slave origin as i’d Prefer to see Mc be an independent figure in their own right. I’m usually thinking of the slave origin involving becoming free within or after the prologue.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 6, 2020 12:01:04 GMT
The mage origin could be former slave before their magical ability appeared. but I don’t like the current slave origin as i’d Prefer to see Mc be an independent figure in their own right. I’m usually thinking of the slave origin involving becoming free within or after the prologue. Who would be doing the freeing and why.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 6, 2020 12:18:49 GMT
I’m usually thinking of the slave origin involving becoming free within or after the prologue. Who would be doing the freeing and why. Any person who may find our character interesting. Vaea, Harding, or any Inquisition agent may decide to recruitment our character. Indipendently on race/background, DA protagonists always know how to fight and defend themselves. We can add some spice to the recruitment with being involved (we or our master) to something that can be useful to those who have decided to free us. Or the MC can be buyed and freed just by our master being killed, and follow this person, who killed our slaver. There are infinite ways to get a freed slave background. We vould even be able to pay our master and became a liberati on our own, and we can stumble in the Inquisition/organization/people who may get the plot start, and simply be hired by them. I can continue.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 6, 2020 12:38:50 GMT
I’m usually thinking of the slave origin involving becoming free within or after the prologue. Who would be doing the freeing and why. Personally, I would make it that they escape when Solas attacks the arena because ancient elven ruins, locus of power, blah blah blah.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 6, 2020 13:27:27 GMT
Who would be doing the freeing and why. Any person who may find our character interesting. Vaea, Harding, or any Inquisition agent may decide to recruitment our character. Indipendently on race/background, DA protagonists always know how to fight and defend themselves. We can add some spice to the recruitment with being involved (we or our master) to something that can be useful to those who have decided to free us. Or the MC can be buyed and freed just by our master being killed, and follow this person, who killed our slaver. There are infinite ways to get a freed slave background. We vould even be able to pay our master and became a liberati on our own, and we can stumble in the Inquisition/organization/people who may get the plot start, and simply be hired by them. I can continue. I suppose while i don't see the appeal you could perhaps find a way to make it fit for the three races
For me As long as it doesn't affect ability of origins to be independent actors rather than being beholden.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jun 9, 2020 14:26:13 GMT
I wonder what other origins BW willl use in DA4 that will make sense storywise I still think Slave is the most likely choice. A gimp slave?
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 13, 2020 23:28:55 GMT
It's great to see so many keeping this thread alive and continuing giving feed-back! Hope the biodevs swing by at one point and get some inspiration from all your awesome suggestions and thoughts.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 13, 2020 23:44:51 GMT
I suppose while i don't see the appeal you could perhaps find a way to make it fit for the three races Why three? We know Tevinter has human slaves, so I'm guessing this is about dwarves. Unless there is some lore of which I'm unaware (entirely possible) explicitly stating there are no dwarvn slaves in Tevinter, I'd find it difficult to believe from what we know of dwarven society. Just because Tevinter has a robust trading relationship with dwarves and maintains the ambassadoria, that doesn't then mean that those elite dwarves would be outraged over dwarven slaves. We're talking about a group that maintains a rigid caste system where the lowest in society are regarded as less-than-dwarven vermin. Why would they give a damn? To the topic, while not necessarily "appealing" to me, I can see a slave origin as a matter of practicality. It allows them to make a more involved prologue as an origin story that can accommodate all of the races.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 14, 2020 2:47:24 GMT
I suppose while i don't see the appeal you could perhaps find a way to make it fit for the three races Why three? We know Tevinter has human slaves, so I'm guessing this is about dwarves. Unless there is some lore of which I'm unaware (entirely possible) explicitly stating there are no dwarvn slaves in Tevinter, I'd find it difficult to believe from what we know of dwarven society. Just because Tevinter has a robust trading relationship with dwarves and maintains the ambassadoria, that doesn't then mean that those elite dwarves would be outraged over dwarven slaves. We're talking about a group that maintains a rigid caste system where the lowest in society are regarded as less-than-dwarven vermin. Why would they give a damn? To the topic, while not necessarily "appealing" to me, I can see a slave origin as a matter of practicality. It allows them to make a more involved prologue as an origin story that can accommodate all of the races. Whilst the dragon age wiki mentions no dwarves are known to be slaves I've never been able to find a source for that, it seems to be an assumption. The WoT v1 does say "A large number of surface dwarves live in the Imperium. They are not considered citizens but, instead, foreign dignitaries, even if their houses have lived in Tevinter for generations." - p. 79 In the same section that describes the ambassadoria as being their own branch of government that "functions less like a parliament and more like a lobby group." So I guess people just assumed that if dwarves were treated as foreign dignitaries in Tevinter then they probably wouldn't be enslaved. And they probably don't get kidnapped into slavery like, say, elves do. But if a dwarf gets into massive debt they can't pay i don't know what's to stop them from selling themselves into slavery to pay it off. Unless of course the Ambassadoria prefers to buy the debt and make the dwarf work it off for them in order to prevent Dwarven slaves from going into circulation.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 14, 2020 3:03:14 GMT
Unless of course the Ambassadoria prefers to buy the debt and make the dwarf work it off for them in order to prevent Dwarven slaves from going into circulation. Again though, dwarves aren't known for any great consideration of the lower classes, so I don't know why they'd do this. The only plausible reason I can come up with is that it's some sort of status thing: they don't care about the individual dwarf, or have moral compunctions against slavery, so much as they don't want the image of enslaved dwarves in the consciousness of surfacers.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 19, 2020 18:22:59 GMT
How about hair physics? Long hair swaying when you run or moving with the wind?
If the PS5 can't do even that, then the engine isn't much of a upgrade.
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