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Post by Sanunes on Jan 21, 2018 15:57:49 GMT
AAA games get their reviews and grades on release. When Andromeda got released it was an unfinished mess, which is made worse because Bioware is a developer which has set a certain standard of quality RPG’s in the past. So the fact that the game was practically unfinished got amplified because people had certain expectations from Bioware when it came to quality, which resulted in low scores and negative reviews. It is true that Bioware fixed a lot of the more jarring bugs later, but that is simply too late for an AAA singleplayer RPG. It has to be a success at launch, otherwise the public opinion will mostly remain negative. PUBG was made by a new developer and explored a fairly new ‘genre’ of battle royale shooters. It followed an entirely different development cycle where the game could already be played during its development, completely altering the review process when compared with an AAA game like Andromeda. Most of the ‘praise’ has to do with this new genre and the fact that it is an accessible multiplayer game instead of a heavy singleplayer RPG. What people expect and demand is entirely different. That being said, PUBG has all the makings of a hype. If they fail to provide a certain level of quality in the future, the novelty will wear off and people will probably leave. PUBG is not impervious to criticism and needs to evolve to survive. The high praise is mostly centered around the initial execution of a new genre, which is, even though I personally do not like the game, well done. There are a lot of flaws however, as illustrated by Crowbcat his video. They need to fix these flaws, or they go down just like everyone else. Of course, these are all personal predictions, but I think that it is difficult/problematic to compare both games, and I also believe that PUBG had an excellent start but is already subject to significant criticism. It is in no way a perfect or excellent game, but it is refreshing in certain ways. My issue isn't the buzz or word of mouth about PUBG or even people talking about the game and talking about the experiences they had. Its more about the reviews and how it seems they are not focusing on any problems with the game technically. Not liking the story or mechanics like a lot of people had with Andromeda is fine, but it just seems with PUBG they are side stepping the technical problems not to be a big deal in a lot of ways it reminds me of what happens with a Bethesda game. To me a game review is there to educate me on the strengths and weaknesses of a game so I can make an informed purchase. I cannot find it anymore, but there was a review of PUBG where the reviewer mentions the frame rate dips, but then talks about "how you will get used to it" and I was more willing to accept that because the game was still in Early Access, but it continued into the release version. Frankly I have stopped paying attention to reviews out there now, I only buy games that I can return so I can evaluate it for myself because I don't feel I can trust reviewers because they make everything feel subjective and I cannot get a good comparison for games even when looking at the same reviewer.
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Post by vallixas on Jan 25, 2018 23:01:33 GMT
Because PUGB is actually much more engaging and fun. Did the mods leave this place already? Hot-damn. ikr but you know this is pretty much typical when a bad game releases. After everyone else of merit forgets about the game and moves on the apologist come out. "I don't understand why it got hate". And I always ask the same question, where were you all when the arguements were fresh, where were you when people actually cared, when these debates were in their prime. Nowhere to be found. In fact I remember on gamefqs when users were making thread after thread with valid points to their criticisms the apologist resorted to either blocking users or ignoring the threads or ending with "argee to disagree".
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Post by cheeseandonion on Jan 26, 2018 1:39:34 GMT
This is like comparing Total War with Cod
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 3:57:59 GMT
AAA games get their reviews and grades on release. When Andromeda got released it was an unfinished mess, which is made worse because Bioware is a developer which has set a certain standard of quality RPG’s in the past. So the fact that the game was practically unfinished got amplified because people had certain expectations from Bioware when it came to quality, which resulted in low scores and negative reviews. It is true that Bioware fixed a lot of the more jarring bugs later, but that is simply too late for an AAA singleplayer RPG. It has to be a success at launch, otherwise the public opinion will mostly remain negative. PUBG was made by a new developer and explored a fairly new ‘genre’ of battle royale shooters. It followed an entirely different development cycle where the game could already be played during its development, completely altering the review process when compared with an AAA game like Andromeda. Most of the ‘praise’ has to do with this new genre and the fact that it is an accessible multiplayer game instead of a heavy singleplayer RPG. What people expect and demand is entirely different. That being said, PUBG has all the makings of a hype. If they fail to provide a certain level of quality in the future, the novelty will wear off and people will probably leave. PUBG is not impervious to criticism and needs to evolve to survive. The high praise is mostly centered around the initial execution of a new genre, which is, even though I personally do not like the game, well done. There are a lot of flaws however, as illustrated by Crowbcat his video. They need to fix these flaws, or they go down just like everyone else. Of course, these are all personal predictions, but I think that it is difficult/problematic to compare both games, and I also believe that PUBG had an excellent start but is already subject to significant criticism. It is in no way a perfect or excellent game, but it is refreshing in certain ways. Hit the nail on the head here.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 26, 2018 8:32:05 GMT
Same reason why Bethesda( studios) receive a free pass for, well (nearly) everything. Games don't exist in vacuum, PUBG offered a unique experience to a lot of people, despite it being of meh/low quality. You know why I give Bethesda a pass on a lot of things? Because you can mod the shit out of all of their games. (Maybe not TES Online, but I've never played it.) I remember Oblivion getting a mod that allowed you to go back to Morrowind. I mean, wtf, right? Morrowind was a better game but modding back to it didn't improve Obsidian (which I liked, btw). Point it, there's so much you could do with Bethesda games, the hand you modding tools, and so people are happy to have a literal sandbox to play in with lots and lots of possibilities, none of which need to detract from the main storyline (but can if you want). Meanwhile, EA throws Frostbite at us, which seems to be more of a modders nightmare than anything. Far less could be done with it than Unreal. If you're going that route, you really need to offer what BioWare is known for, which is the RPG elements of the storyline. Those have been steadily decreasing and people are unhappy. As for that new game, it was created by an indie developer. Expectations are and should be completely different than a corporation with a shitload of money behind it.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 26, 2018 8:45:24 GMT
Shepurd was not human it seems from the proportions. He has "hero" body, which is horrible.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 26, 2018 9:07:12 GMT
Shepurd was not human it seems from the proportions. He has "hero" body, which is horrible. There's problems with both bodies. Shepard's head is too small, though thankfully he's nowhere near Iron Bull's peanut head. Scott Ryder has too short lower legs, which makes him look vertically challenged. If you switch quickly between Scott and Sara during character creation a few times, you'll see that Sara is about a head shorter than Scott but their knees are at about the same height, meaning that Scott has the lower legs of a much shorter person. Scott's greater height mostly comes from his upper body being much longer than Sara's.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 26, 2018 9:41:46 GMT
Shepurd was not human it seems from the proportions. He has "hero" body, which is horrible. There's problems with both bodies. Shepard's head is too small, though thankfully he's nowhere near Iron Bull's peanut head. Scott Ryder has too short lower legs, which makes him look vertically challenged. If you switch quickly between Scott and Sara during character creation a few times, you'll see that Sara is about a head shorter than Scott but their knees are at about the same height, meaning that Scott has the lower legs of a much shorter person. Scott's greater height mostly comes from his upper body being much longer than Sara's. Considering this, has anyone checked femshep & sara? (plz without idiotic head enlargement pics)
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Post by warden on Jan 26, 2018 12:23:47 GMT
a badass and a "i wanna be badass new generation kid regardless i think i'm cool" but the reality is it falls short. I was checking the cast of characters after seeing the picture you posted and Harkin is more interesting than any of them, protagonists included.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 26, 2018 12:57:02 GMT
Shepurd was not human it seems from the proportions. He has "hero" body, which is horrible. Artemis smite you for your insolence against well-proportioned bodies that are the delight of the gods! Amazons shall shun you forever! And cats, too!
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Post by vallixas on Jan 26, 2018 15:23:22 GMT
Human Perfection. What in gods name is this alien creature? Andromeda probably has the weirdest proportions i've ever seen in a modern game, I can't get over the arms especially on the female models lol. Wait a minute what if humans in Andromeda aren't actually humans......it all makes sense.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 26, 2018 15:51:11 GMT
I'd never even heard of PUBG. Is it strictly action and combat or is there something of a story and a chance to shape your character?
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Post by scootshoot on Jan 26, 2018 16:10:38 GMT
a badass and a "i wanna be badass new generation kid regardless i think i'm cool" but the reality is it falls short. I was checking the cast of characters after seeing the picture you posted and Harkin is more interesting than any of them, protagonists included. Left is obviously more Hollywoodized.
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Post by hivemind on Jan 26, 2018 18:43:51 GMT
No matter how bad "That other game" is, it doesn't make this one any better.
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Post by hivemind on Jan 26, 2018 18:44:38 GMT
a badass and a "i wanna be badass new generation kid regardless i think i'm cool" but the reality is it falls short. I was checking the cast of characters after seeing the picture you posted and Harkin is more interesting than any of them, protagonists included. Left is obviously more Hollywoodized. You're not implying that the right one is more realistic one, are you?
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Post by Rochrok on Jan 28, 2018 19:14:36 GMT
Because people who prefer story-based games actually want good stories while those who like PUBG only care for the mechanics. That's why EA wants to ditch story games.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 28, 2018 21:51:18 GMT
For the same reason RPGs will die as a genre sooner rather than later. RPGs are expected to have a lot of features, and BioWare games in particular shoot themselves in the foot somewhat by incorporating team-based gameplay with companions and relationships. All while delivering a cinematic experience.
Unfortunately "live services" and multiplayer modes are the only viable path forward, yet even their own fans trash them for doing so.
In the same vein, RPG devs need to focus on what makes them unique. BioWare should focus their efforts on what makes them unique and not spread themselves so thin.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 29, 2018 3:04:44 GMT
Same reason why Bethesda( studios) receive a free pass for, well (nearly) everything. Games don't exist in vacuum, PUBG offered a unique experience to a lot of people, despite it being of meh/low quality. You know why I give Bethesda a pass on a lot of things? Because you can mod the shit out of all of their games. (Maybe not TES Online, but I've never played it.) I remember Oblivion getting a mod that allowed you to go back to Morrowind. I mean, wtf, right? Morrowind was a better game but modding back to it didn't improve Obsidian (which I liked, btw). Point it, there's so much you could do with Bethesda games, the hand you modding tools, and so people are happy to have a literal sandbox to play in with lots and lots of possibilities, none of which need to detract from the main storyline (but can if you want). Meanwhile, EA throws Frostbite at us, which seems to be more of a modders nightmare than anything. Far less could be done with it than Unreal. If you're going that route, you really need to offer what BioWare is known for, which is the RPG elements of the storyline. Those have been steadily decreasing and people are unhappy. As for that new game, it was created by an indie developer. Expectations are and should be completely different than a corporation with a shitload of money behind it. Great you are welcome to give Bethesda a pass all you want, I am not paying you one way or another for your opinion by going to your website. As I also said early I am not complaining that people took issue with the problems in Andromeda. The problem is mods shouldn't mean the technical problems are outright ignored by people that want to call themselves professional reviewers they are there to talk about the product and not act as part of the advertising arm of a company especially until last year the majority of players probably couldn't mod their game anyway. The problem I am seeing is the technical problem with Andromeda were commonly mentioned and in the final write ups they would talk about docking a score because of how bad they were. Bethesda games crash to desktop at launch, have save deletion problems at launch, black screens on consoles at launch, fall through the ground at launch and places will still give it a 10/10 because what feels like how the internet will react to it and Jim Sterling also has a video about Skyrim and he pointed out two reviews that minimized the bugs that were in the Switch version of Skyrim (which is my problem not the actual score). Just like how the Nintendo fanboys went after Jim Sterling because he gave Breath of the Wild a 7 because there were elements he didn't like and didn't treat it as the second coming of Shigeru Miyamoto.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 30, 2018 20:37:01 GMT
Human Perfection. What in gods name is this alien creature? Andromeda probably has the weirdest proportions i've ever seen in a modern game, I can't get over the arms especially on the female models lol. Wait a minute what if humans in Andromeda aren't actually humans......it all makes sense. They're even better in animations, Andromeda characters motion as if they have a metal pole up their asses.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 30, 2018 20:57:30 GMT
I admit this game isn't that great but one thing I don't get is how that trash called PUGB gets high ratings. It runs like a slideshow, it only has two maps and its the same crap every game. At least andromeda had some sort of polish to it. We owe bioware and ea an apology. My guess is: Different audience altogether. Simply people wanting different things from their games and having different standards. For example, I wouldn't touch something like PUBG with a ten foot pole. I knew that as soon as I saw the first pics and videos. Chapter closed as far as I am concerned, I don't care if it's good or bad since I'll never play it. On the other hand, a BioWare game, and a Mass Effect game at that, I am very invested in. I actually want to play it and I want it to be good. Now, I don't think Andromeda is a bad game, it was decent, even pretty good in some spots but compared to the trilogy, it was a disappointment for me personally, so I wrote some critical posts about it, while never caring enough to write anything about PUBG before this very post. Does that mean I think PUBG is better than Andromeda? God no, quite the opposite in fact. I bet I am not the only one with that kind of mindset, so there you have one possible explanation. PUBG hit the tastes and expectations of its target audience. ME:A sadly didn't quite do the same for their (very different) target audience.
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Post by clips7 on Jan 31, 2018 3:02:49 GMT
Ryder is also standing like he has a beer gut..... ...Sheperd..."staring into the abyss of uncertainty and contemplating facing incredible and impossible challenges"....Ryder.......sigh...looking like..."wtf am i doing here?!"... ........
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Post by Psychevore on Feb 10, 2018 8:30:34 GMT
I don't get why almost literally every Bethesda game, after several patches, is still more buggy than ME:A was at release and somehow everybody loves them.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Feb 10, 2018 19:39:55 GMT
I don't get why almost literally every Bethesda game, after several patches, is still more buggy than ME:A was at release and somehow everybody loves them. Gaming would be awful if all it took was bugs to turn people away(barring the game being literally unplayable that it won't run). I can ignore Bethesda bugs, I ignored andromedas. The difference in the two however is I still got a Bethesda experience out of their game/s but didn't get a Bioware experience out of andromeda. Many andromeda critics will tell you the bugs were only part of its problems.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 24, 2018 19:09:56 GMT
I don't get why almost literally every Bethesda game, after several patches, is still more buggy than ME:A was at release and somehow everybody loves them. It is mainly because the herr durr YouTube hate brigade fuels the hate bandwagon against bioware to the point where any mistake bioware makes is magnified ten fold over another developer making the same mistake.
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