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Post by N7Valentine on Feb 1, 2018 21:00:47 GMT
They could've at least made the game somewhat better/more memorable by adding the Quarian DLC but now that problem will be resolved in a book. Well, it's their call but the game was already doomed from the beginning anyway.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2018 21:02:02 GMT
They could've at least made the game somewhat better/more memorable by adding the Quarian DLC but now that problem will be resolved in a book. Well, it's their call but the game was already doomed from the beginning anyway. Is that book even released yet? Hard to think of a reason to even care about it after a long gap like this.
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Post by cypherj on Feb 2, 2018 4:40:40 GMT
They could've at least made the game somewhat better/more memorable by adding the Quarian DLC but now that problem will be resolved in a book. Well, it's their call but the game was already doomed from the beginning anyway. Is that book even released yet? Hard to think of a reason to even care about it after a long gap like this. June 26th. That's a ways away still.
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Post by N7Valentine on Feb 2, 2018 8:57:31 GMT
They could've at least made the game somewhat better/more memorable by adding the Quarian DLC but now that problem will be resolved in a book. Well, it's their call but the game was already doomed from the beginning anyway. Is that book even released yet? Hard to think of a reason to even care about it after a long gap like this. Not yet but it will be this year on June 26th. Indeed, it's hard to care for it but it's better than them completely abandoning Andromeda's loose ends. At least the Quarian ark story will be resolved, even if I wished it was a DLC
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Post by Arkhne on Feb 2, 2018 9:13:08 GMT
Is that book even released yet? Hard to think of a reason to even care about it after a long gap like this. Not yet but it will be this year on June 26th. Indeed, it's hard to care for it but it's better than them completely abandoning Andromeda's loose ends. At least the Quarian ark story will be resolved, even if I wished it was a DLC As far as those of us who AREN'T fanboys, thus not purchasing/reading extra materials, it IS unresolved loose ends, and over. (The) Books might as well not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 10:38:27 GMT
This games was okish, enjoyable and mildly fun and it certainly did not deserved all the heat it got at launch BUT the biggest sin for me on BW/EA (EA owns BW so they are one wheter we like it or not) it was pulling the plug on the game, not developing a single DLC to improve the game, abandoning the fans that were defending the product despite its major flaws. This act of cowardice from BW/EA is what I will not forgive nor forget. Instead of making a sacrifice for the fans and for the well being of the game, they just dropped it when the situation got difficult. This is not how you should treat your products and customers.
THIS is what killed the game for me.
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Post by bladefist on Feb 2, 2018 16:16:04 GMT
IMO no awards should go to an abandoned game.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 2, 2018 17:22:43 GMT
Why would I care if some game won some award or not.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 2, 2018 17:47:56 GMT
IMO no awards should go to an abandoned game. I guess that’s really it. If the game was regarded as stupendous but the studio simply couldn’t provide support because of certain circumstances, then that’s one thing, but killing support before they even managed to completely fix any remaining quest bugs ruins any chance of anything. That being said, the general consensus from the start ensured that this wouldn’t make a difference.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 2, 2018 21:42:55 GMT
Not yet but it will be this year on June 26th. Indeed, it's hard to care for it but it's better than them completely abandoning Andromeda's loose ends. At least the Quarian ark story will be resolved, even if I wished it was a DLC As far as those of us who AREN'T fanboys, thus not purchasing/reading extra materials, it IS unresolved loose ends, and over. (The) Books might as well not exist. I am a mass effect fanboy and I probably won't get the book that should have been dlc.
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Post by tatann on Feb 2, 2018 23:08:52 GMT
I've never bought a DLC for a game, even the MET which are my favorite games, I don't understand how a bonus mission could save a game. Obviously I don't understand how a game considered good (like any Mass Effect from the trilogy) would need a DLC. It's like a good movie should be fine by itself, if you need the director's cut to enjoy it, it means the theatrical release was butchered by the studio.
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Post by abaris on Feb 3, 2018 8:16:41 GMT
Why would I care if some game won some award or not. Because it awards to industry. Shows them what's considered outstanding material. A mediocre game getting awards would send all the wrong signals.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 3, 2018 10:41:30 GMT
I've never bought a DLC for a game, even the MET which are my favorite games, I don't understand how a bonus mission could save a game. Obviously I don't understand how a game considered good (like any Mass Effect from the trilogy) would need a DLC. It's like a good movie should be fine by itself, if you need the director's cut to enjoy it, it means the theatrical release was butchered by the studio. I find a good DLC can greatly extend the life of a game, but I guess that depends on your gaming habits. I replay a game I like quite a bit, so being able to add on to it later increases its replay value. With Mass Effect, I’ve lost count of how many times I played the games vanilla, and then wanted to replay more when DLC’s were actually released for it. I don’t need a director’s cut to enjoy a movie, but get enjoyment out of the variety.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 3, 2018 16:37:56 GMT
I've never bought a DLC for a game, even the MET which are my favorite games, I don't understand how a bonus mission could save a game. Obviously I don't understand how a game considered good (like any Mass Effect from the trilogy) would need a DLC. It's like a good movie should be fine by itself, if you need the director's cut to enjoy it, it means the theatrical release was butchered by the studio. I find a good DLC can greatly extend the life of a game, but I guess that depends on your gaming habits. I replay a game I like quite a bit, so being able to add on to it later increases its replay value. With Mass Effect, I’ve lost count of how many times I played the games vanilla, and then wanted to replay more when DLC’s were actually released for it. I don’t need a director’s cut to enjoy a movie, but get enjoyment out of the variety. The trilogy games were amazing games in their own right but the DLC they got really pushed them to another level. Not only did they nearly double my play through lengths of ME2/3 but many of the moments that I think about when I reflect on the trilogy came from DLC such the confrontation with Balak, the heist with Kasumi, the fight with Vasir (so fun if you are vanguard), coming face to face with the Shadow Broker, verbal confrontation with Harbinger with the Reapers at the galaxy's doorstep, the discovery of the Leviathans and learning the origins of the Reapers, and fighting Shepard's clone was a lot of fun even if a bit nonsensical. Now I want to do another trilogy play through.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 7, 2018 11:30:36 GMT
I've never bought a DLC for a game, even the MET which are my favorite games, I don't understand how a bonus mission could save a game. Obviously I don't understand how a game considered good (like any Mass Effect from the trilogy) would need a DLC. It's like a good movie should be fine by itself, if you need the director's cut to enjoy it, it means the theatrical release was butchered by the studio. Totally missing out on some good stories and really does extend the life of the game...particularly ME3. But it might also depend if you like exploring different companions and how conversations play out based on background, personality, and previous choices. More often than not I'll replay Bioware games over getting the latest craze since the vast majority simply do not suit my tastes. I kind of get what you're saying about completeness of story, but since gamers are unwilling to drop 100-120$ for a game (realistically what they should cost in today's economy) DLC's (along with the hated microtransactions) are a way to make games profitable. In the end everyone prioritizes things differently, but to me if I can squeeze 1000 hours out of a game, 120$ for game+DLC's is a pretty good bargain.
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Post by tatann on Feb 7, 2018 12:05:15 GMT
I've never bought a DLC for a game, even the MET which are my favorite games, I don't understand how a bonus mission could save a game. Obviously I don't understand how a game considered good (like any Mass Effect from the trilogy) would need a DLC. It's like a good movie should be fine by itself, if you need the director's cut to enjoy it, it means the theatrical release was butchered by the studio. I find a good DLC can greatly extend the life of a game, but I guess that depends on your gaming habits. I replay a game I like quite a bit, so being able to add on to it later increases its replay value. With Mass Effect, I’ve lost count of how many times I played the games vanilla, and then wanted to replay more when DLC’s were actually released for it. I don’t need a director’s cut to enjoy a movie, but get enjoyment out of the variety. I played the trilogy 6 times, one playthrough for each class, changing Shepard's origins and paragon/renegade style everytime, killing some, saving most (I even saved Kaidan a few times cause let's be honest, Ashley is a stubborn racist bigot) and a playthrough takes me about 30h per game, which I feel enough for this type of action RPG game (I wish Andromeda was 30h long...). I also understand some DLCs add some nice stories, but I don't feel I "missed" something. The same reason I've never watched the extended versions of LotR
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Post by Amirit on Feb 9, 2018 23:28:39 GMT
I do buy DLCs but also understand that "no DLC" position. You want to add something? Make another game! Do not feed us content by teaspoons. Actually, I much prefer to buy game+DLCs at once, because often DLC fits some particular part of the main plot, playing it at the wrong time ruins the game (for me). Meaning, to see each new DLC I have to re-play the game each time. Not to mention, if story is told already, any addition sticks out too much. There are exceptions to that rule, though, mostly from DA side: "Witch-hunt" or "Trespasser" concluded the stories. And as much as I hate "Citadel" the social part (final party) of that DLC fits well to the game (if you are into super-cheesy scenes). BTW, I also like "director's cuts" Though, most of the time you can see, why some particular scenes had to be taken away.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Feb 10, 2018 13:13:58 GMT
I do buy DLCs but also understand that "no DLC" position. You want to add something? Make another game! Do not feed us content by teaspoons. Actually, I much prefer to buy game+DLCs at once, because often DLC fits some particular part of the main plot, playing it at the wrong time ruins the game (for me). Meaning, to see each new DLC I have to re-play the game each time. Not to mention, if story is told already, any addition sticks out too much. There are exceptions to that rule, though, mostly from DA side: "Witch-hunt" or "Trespasser" concluded the stories. And as much as I hate "Citadel" the social part (final party) of that DLC fits well to the game (if you are into super-cheesy scenes). BTW, I also like "director's cuts" Though, most of the time you can see, why some particular scenes had to be taken away. Are there any director's cuts which you think are better than the theatrical releases? Other than Blade Runner I can't think of any, and tend to prefer director's commentaries myself. I would also cite Donnie Darko as a prime example of why directors cannot always be trusted to know what is best themselves, as Richard Kelly pretty much destroyed everything good about the theatrical release with his director's cut. If they hadn't pulled the plug on MEA I might even have bought the Quarian Ark story in the hope that some other loose ends might have been tied up along with it. I do understand those with ideological objections to the very concept of adding content to a game after release, but it honestly doesn't bother me. I would say the £20 I spent on the Fallout 4 Season Pass was a better investment than the £40 I spent on the main game, for example. I bought every piece of dlc for ME2 and 3, and have no regrets about any of it - in every single case I feel as if I got value for money. I think 'From Ashes' certainly shouldn't have been dlc, and probably 'Leviathan' too, as they were significant to the central plot, but otherwise I have no gripes. I know 'Citadel' polarizes opinion, but it's my favourite of the lot. Yes, it's ridiculous overall, and its tone may seem inappropriate if played immediately after the failed mission on Thessia, but otherwise it gives me immense pleasure. Damn your lettuce.
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Post by Amirit on Feb 10, 2018 15:26:30 GMT
Are there any director's cuts which you think are better than the theatrical releases? Honestly, I can not recall even one. But I can believe they exist, hence "most of the time" and not "always" As of DLCs, though, as I said, I do buy them, still to me the whole idea is more suited to persisted worlds - MMORPGs, unless it's a clear continuation a la "Tresspasser" or DAA.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 10, 2018 18:47:40 GMT
I do buy DLCs but also understand that "no DLC" position. You want to add something? Make another game! Do not feed us content by teaspoons. Actually, I much prefer to buy game+DLCs at once, because often DLC fits some particular part of the main plot, playing it at the wrong time ruins the game (for me). Meaning, to see each new DLC I have to re-play the game each time. Not to mention, if story is told already, any addition sticks out too much. There are exceptions to that rule, though, mostly from DA side: "Witch-hunt" or "Trespasser" concluded the stories. And as much as I hate "Citadel" the social part (final party) of that DLC fits well to the game (if you are into super-cheesy scenes). BTW, I also like "director's cuts" Though, most of the time you can see, why some particular scenes had to be taken away. Are there any director's cuts which you think are better than the theatrical releases? Other than Blade Runner I can't think of any, and tend to prefer director's commentaries myself. I would also cite Donnie Darko as a prime example of why directors cannot always be trusted to know what is best themselves, as Richard Kelly pretty much destroyed everything good about the theatrical release with his director's cut. Aliens and the Lord of the Rings movies come to mind
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 15, 2018 19:20:07 GMT
Are there any director's cuts which you think are better than the theatrical releases? Other than Blade Runner I can't think of any, and tend to prefer director's commentaries myself. I would also cite Donnie Darko as a prime example of why directors cannot always be trusted to know what is best themselves, as Richard Kelly pretty much destroyed everything good about the theatrical release with his director's cut. Aliens and the Lord of the Rings movies come to mind Blade Runner and Lawnmower Man as well.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 18, 2018 17:53:34 GMT
Kingdom of Heaven. 1000% better. Alexander.
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Post by abaris on Feb 18, 2018 20:48:19 GMT
This act of cowardice from BW/EA is what I will not forgive nor forget. It's a business decision. No more, no less. One is well adviced to look at games as products. If the company involved doesn't expect a significant revenue, the product will be dropped. hareholder value is too important to have idealistic views.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 19, 2018 11:39:57 GMT
BioWare made those decisions. Thank god Aaryn Flynn has been replaced.
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Post by Sondergaard on Feb 19, 2018 13:43:11 GMT
Are there any director's cuts which you think are better than the theatrical releases? Aliens, Alien 3, Blade Runner and Daredevil immediately spring to mind. Alien 3 and Daredevil are transformed in the director's cuts from barely watchable to decent movies, for me anyway. Edit: And Troy, which also turned out to be rather good once the director was allowed to add in deleted scenes.
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