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Post by TheodoricFriede on Feb 3, 2018 11:34:11 GMT
I just gave you my personal theory of where the headband came from. I have heard of people weaving some of their own hair into clothes they have knit. This doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.
Regardless, I think its a headband, not a braid. I feel like that in tarot card art backs it up.
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Post by jjdxb on Feb 3, 2018 11:51:13 GMT
There is, of course, a solution to all this. Let there be oodles of "feminine" long hair that you can pick in CC, but introduce a combat mechanic where characters with long hair are susceptible to unblockable hair grabbing and high damage attacks by enemies. Choices should matter in Dragon Age, after all. People get their long hairstyles AND people who don't like them get their realism!
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Post by Fredward on Feb 3, 2018 11:58:10 GMT
There is, of course, a solution to all this. Let there be oodles of "feminine" long hair that you can pick in CC, but introduce a combat mechanic where characters with long hair are susceptible to unblockable hair grabbing and high damage attacks by enemies. Choices should matter in Dragon Age, after all. People get their long hairstyles AND people who don't like them get their realism! With a random chance of death if you're engaged in melee and have a big bushy beard or long flowing locks, it just says "You've been scalped/had the lower half of your face torn off."
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Post by jjdxb on Feb 3, 2018 12:01:12 GMT
There is, of course, a solution to all this. Let there be oodles of "feminine" long hair that you can pick in CC, but introduce a combat mechanic where characters with long hair are susceptible to unblockable hair grabbing and high damage attacks by enemies. Choices should matter in Dragon Age, after all. People get their long hairstyles AND people who don't like them get their realism! With a random chance of death if you're engaged in melee and have a big bushy beard or long flowing locks, it just says "You've been scalped/had the lower half of your face torn off."
Yeah, beard too. But only certain kinds of beards. Blackwall's is fine, not enough to grab onto. But if your boy/dwarfette has some beard braids or Dumbledore stuff going on... well.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Feb 3, 2018 12:03:27 GMT
For the record, I completely support longer hair in the character creator. For men too.
Remember that the purpose of this thread was specifically "feminine hairstyles", which is what I actually find silly. (And if we are all being honest here, this thread is ACTUALLY someones excuse to complain about Cassandra.)
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 3, 2018 12:32:13 GMT
I just gave you my personal theory of where the headband came from. I have heard of people weaving some of their own hair into clothes they have knit. This doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. Regardless, I think its a headband, not a braid. I feel like that in tarot card art backs it up. I think it's because one of the Trespasser slides actually shows the braid down and not wrapped round her head. Before that, I thought it was a headband too.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Feb 3, 2018 12:33:46 GMT
I think it's because one of the Trespasser slides actually shows the braid down and not wrapped round her head. Before that, I thought it was a headband too. Oh, well, if thats actually the case, than my mistake. EDIT: Right, so if you could all just forget the confidence with which I spoke, that would be pretty great.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 3, 2018 13:28:38 GMT
For the record, I completely support longer hair in the character creator. For men too. Remember that the purpose of this thread was specifically "feminine hairstyles", which is what I actually find silly. (And if we are all being honest here, this thread is ACTUALLY someones excuse to complain about Cassandra.) Yeah, the proliferation of Cass complainer threads definitely cast this thread in an unfavorable light from the start. Which is a shame, because there’s value in discussing feminine coding outside of that context. Femininity isn’t by default bad, and it tends to draw a disproportionate amount of ire. Whether it’s a feminine woman or a feminine man, they’re often interpreted as helpless and impractical, even if no other aspects of their personality point that way. I say all this as someone who chooses to play more masculine coded characters. As others have alluded to, bushy beards would be equally grab-able when compared to long hair. Actually a bit more so, because beard hair is thicker and sticks out more. But beards don’t draw the same visceral reaction as long hair. Being explicitly masculine, they get a patina of sturdy practicality applied to them. That said, even beards aren’t really that impractical. If you’re fighting someone to the death, don’t waste time trying to get a grip on their hair or beard. If you’re that close, you can already reach their eyes.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 3, 2018 13:33:55 GMT
With a random chance of death if you're engaged in melee and have a big bushy beard or long flowing locks, it just says "You've been scalped/had the lower half of your face torn off."
Yeah, beard too. But only certain kinds of beards. Blackwall's is fine, not enough to grab onto. But if your boy/dwarfette has some beard braids or Dumbledore stuff going on... well.
Thanks for the laugh. For the record, I completely support longer hair in the character creator. For men too. Remember that the purpose of this thread was specifically "feminine hairstyles", which is what I actually find silly. (And if we are all being honest here, this thread is ACTUALLY someones excuse to complain about Cassandra.) Thiiiis. I'm 100% pro long hair in the CC. I'm fine with fashionable short hair, fancy up-dos... whatever. Characters should have hairstyles that reflect their personality and values. My problem is when threads like this pop up and pretend to be something they're not, which is essentially 'WHY CAN'T CASSANDRA BE SEXIER (to me specifically, bc my tastes reign supreeeeme). WHAT ABOUT MY BONER, BIOWARE.'
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Post by naughtynomad on Feb 4, 2018 11:30:53 GMT
That's actually not what I said at all. Im guessing English is not your first language so I will let it slide. I actually said the opposite of what you're trying to make it out as. I said if youre going to complain about long hair on females in video games, you better complain about it on males, beards on males, the unrealistic and impractical armor designs, and a while myriad of other things that you're conveniently overlooking. When you fail to do this, it makes it look like your just trying to push your own social or political agenda instead of just enjoying the game. Except the context for this conversation concerns long hair on women in particular. It's in the title and everything. It's not an open door invitation to discuss every permutation of impracticality in fantasy games, though feel free to make that thread and then invite people to expound on potentially incongruous attitudes. If you rent out a lecture hall and you hang up signs at the doors that read "Problems facing US democracy" and you enter and ask "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EU THO" you're not making a point, you're having an off-topic conversation. But I'm guessing English is your second language so I'll let it slide. Sounds suspiciously like you just don't have an answer and you know this, so you only have the option of making hypocrotal arguments. Your quoted example is bullshit for the simple fact that were aren't comparing 2 different countries. We're comparing similarities the same game. So basically, instead of answering for your own hypocrisy, you've tried to take it off the table for discussion. It might have worked, but I'm guessing English isn't your native language, so I'll let it slide.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 4, 2018 12:19:37 GMT
Except the context for this conversation concerns long hair on women in particular. It's in the title and everything. It's not an open door invitation to discuss every permutation of impracticality in fantasy games, though feel free to make that thread and then invite people to expound on potentially incongruous attitudes. If you rent out a lecture hall and you hang up signs at the doors that read "Problems facing US democracy" and you enter and ask "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EU THO" you're not making a point, you're having an off-topic conversation. But I'm guessing English is your second language so I'll let it slide. Sounds suspiciously like you just don't have an answer and you know this, so you only have the option of making hypocrotal arguments. Your quoted example is bullshit for the simple fact that were aren't comparing 2 different countries. We're comparing similarities the same game. So basically, instead of answering for your own hypocrisy, you've tried to take it off the table for discussion. It might have worked, but I'm guessing English isn't your native language, so I'll let it slide. The problem isn't the question guy, that's valid(ish), it's the fact that you're making it in a thread that's not about it. Yah know, the wandering into a place clearly demarcated as having a conversation that's different from the one you're having part of the analogy? For instance this thread is about whether "feminine long or short hairstyle be an inconvenience in battle" and not, say, 1) YEAH BUT ISN'T STEEL AGAINST MAGES TOO or 2) Do you think practicality should be a concern among fantasy RPGs, if yes to what degree and why? or 3) How is it possible to think something is an inconvenience while not suggesting it be removed or restricted, to which demon in the Ars Goetia did you sell your soul to gain access to this black magic? You're clearly not getting it tho. I forgive you because English isn't your first language.
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Post by naughtynomad on Feb 5, 2018 9:35:13 GMT
Sounds suspiciously like you just don't have an answer and you know this, so you only have the option of making hypocrotal arguments. Your quoted example is bullshit for the simple fact that were aren't comparing 2 different countries. We're comparing similarities the same game. So basically, instead of answering for your own hypocrisy, you've tried to take it off the table for discussion. It might have worked, but I'm guessing English isn't your native language, so I'll let it slide. The problem isn't the question guy, that's valid(ish), it's the fact that you're making it in a thread that's not about it. Yah know, the wandering into a place clearly demarcated as having a conversation that's different from the one you're having part of the analogy? For instance this thread is about whether "feminine long or short hairstyle be an inconvenience in battle" and not, say, 1) YEAH BUT ISN'T STEEL AGAINST MAGES TOO or 2) Do you think practicality should be a concern among fantasy RPGs, if yes to what degree and why? or 3) How is it possible to think something is an inconvenience while not suggesting it be removed or restricted, to which demon in the Ars Goetia did you sell your soul to gain access to this black magic? You're clearly not getting it tho. I forgive you because English isn't your first language. I don't see it as changing the subject. It's a segue into the natural turn of the discussion. If you have such a strong opinion on "feminine hairstyles" then do your beliefs match other areas of the game, or are you being hypocritical? That question is perfectly valid. If you're saying "Noooo! Feminine hairstyles are impractical and unrealistic for a warrior woman. She should be have short cropped hair or BioWare is portraying women in a man's stereotype of what they should look like!" Then you need to examine that statement and see if it matches all similar areas of the game, or if you're merely trying to make others follow your own political and social beliefs. No one seems to have any problem with dwarves having beards down to their knees, men having long flowing hair like the samurai, armor that does not make practical sense... yet they have a problem with women with long hair. That's proof their beliefs are unfounded and should be cast aside by themselves and everyone else. Hope you could follow my English.
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Post by Fredward on Feb 5, 2018 15:54:40 GMT
I don't see it as changing the subject. I know? This is what this entire conversation is about? It's why you're wrong. If you're saying "Noooo! Feminine hairstyles are impractical and unrealistic for a warrior woman. She should be have short cropped hair or BioWare is portraying women in a man's stereotype of what they should look like!" Then you need to examine that statement and see if it matches all similar areas of the game, or if you're merely trying to make others follow your own political and social beliefs. Would you like to do yourself the favor of actually reading through this thread and engaging with the opinions found there instead of whatever motive and opinion you've decided to assign? Consistently people have expressed the opinion that, and I would like to stress again that this was the question asked, that they think a feminine hairstyle would be a inconvenience in battle, regardless of who it was on. The question was sure as shit not "DO YOU THINK IT'S THE PATRIARCHY IF WOMEN HAVE GIRLY HAIR IN GAME" which you seem to assume is the question people are answering when they say yes. In actuality what people are expressing is that they think feminine hairstyles would be a bad idea in battle. The end. Further inferences on their motives for that answer says more about the social and political beliefs you are bringing to the table than anything they've said. Bonus round: it's possible to note something is silly/impractical while not suggesting it be removed, see number 3 in my previous post and a number of the opinions available in this thread which often go directly against the idea of removing feminine hairstyles, regardless of whether or not the person thinks they're impractical. No one seems to have any problem with dwarves having beards down to their knees, men having long flowing hair like the samurai, armor that does not make practical sense... yet they have a problem with women with long hair. That's proof their beliefs are unfounded and should be cast aside by themselves and everyone else. Again there are people from literally page one that mentioned long hair on men is impractical, that bushy, huge beards on dwarves are especially silly considering they fight darkspawn often and you wouldn't want an impediment to washing tainted blood off you. I suppose the main draw in having a conversation no one else is having is getting to construct strawmen tho. Hope you could follow my English. Nah you lost me ages ago, English is my second language. But this isn't going anywhere, peace.
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Post by naughtynomad on Feb 6, 2018 1:39:08 GMT
I accept your less than graceful acquiesce.
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Post by shechinah on Feb 6, 2018 13:04:16 GMT
I accept your less than graceful acquiesce. That's not acquiescing: that requires some amount of agreement. Fredward has neither conceded anything nor expressed any agreement with you.
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Post by naughtynomad on Feb 6, 2018 15:47:09 GMT
I accept your less than graceful acquiesce. That's not acquiescing: that requires some amount of agreement. Fredward has neither conceded anything nor expressed any agreement with you. I assumed his leaving the thread was, like I said, a less than graceful acceptance. Afterall, all he was saying was "you dont get my argument" without answering any points I brought up.
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Post by shechinah on Feb 6, 2018 16:57:54 GMT
That's not acquiescing: that requires some amount of agreement. Fredward has neither conceded anything nor expressed any agreement with you. 1. I assumed his leaving the thread was, like I said, a less than graceful acceptance. 2. Afterall, all he was saying was "you dont get my argument" without answering any points I brought up. 1. The last words of Fredward's post is "This isn't going anywhere, peace." and the rest of it is them disagreeing with you in some form or another. That is not acquiescing. That is the opposite of acquiescing. The closest it is to some form of acceptance is agreeing to disagree and that is still not expressing agreement with you or your arguments. 2. I disagree. For example, you argued that no one seems to have a problem with the big and long beards of the dwarves. Fredward pointed out that people on the first page of this thread brought it up.
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Post by Wulfram on Feb 6, 2018 18:14:16 GMT
Ideally characters could have multiple styles, like one that's practical for battle and one that's for off duty.
I can't say I'm all that bothered by realism in this area though, if I was I wouldn't use hide helmet options.
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Post by naughtynomad on Feb 7, 2018 0:22:36 GMT
1. I assumed his leaving the thread was, like I said, a less than graceful acceptance. 2. Afterall, all he was saying was "you dont get my argument" without answering any points I brought up. 1. The last words of Fredward's post is "This isn't going anywhere, peace." and the rest of it is them disagreeing with you in some form or another. That is not acquiescing. That is the opposite of acquiescing. The closest it is to some form of acceptance is agreeing to disagree and that is still not expressing agreement with you or your arguments. 2. I disagree. For example, you argued that no one seems to have a problem with the big and long beards of the dwarves. Fredward pointed out that people on the first page of this thread brought it up. Yes, people like me, who appreciate "feminine" hairstyles, brought it up. No one who is against them ever provided an adequate answer for them. You can't just say, "Look. People talked about that on the first page!" when everyone claiming long hair is impractical just ignored it and continued making asinine comments about how women should have short hair and everyone should like it.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 7, 2018 1:00:56 GMT
1. The last words of Fredward's post is "This isn't going anywhere, peace." and the rest of it is them disagreeing with you in some form or another. That is not acquiescing. That is the opposite of acquiescing. The closest it is to some form of acceptance is agreeing to disagree and that is still not expressing agreement with you or your arguments. 2. I disagree. For example, you argued that no one seems to have a problem with the big and long beards of the dwarves. Fredward pointed out that people on the first page of this thread brought it up. Yes, people like me, who appreciate "feminine" hairstyles, brought it up. No one who is against them ever provided an adequate answer for them. You can't just say, "Look. People talked about that on the first page!" when everyone claiming long hair is impractical just ignored it and continued making asinine comments about how women should have short hair and everyone should like it. Um. I talked about men's long hair and beards on the third post of the first page.
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 7, 2018 3:07:05 GMT
It would be inconvenient, but the bigger inconvenience is the lack of a helmet. Or being a female warrior in the first place...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 16:36:02 GMT
Now, since we've had about eight billion threads about women's hair and how terrible it is when it's short, let's talk about men's hair. Would long or short hair be an inconvenience in battle? Do men who get buzzcuts never stop to think about how lumpy their skulls are? Why do none of these men think about all the boners they could be giving people if they had super long hair?? and on that note, would boners be an inconvinence in battle? Same disadvantages as long hair, after all
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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Feb 8, 2018 0:44:17 GMT
Look at how Atlus changed Princess Eruca!
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Post by shechinah on Feb 8, 2018 0:52:27 GMT
Look at how Atlus changed Princess Eruca! Eh, I prefer the short-haired version to the long-haired version. It's not just the hair, though. The latter version just looks generic to me. Maybe it's the difference in style but the former looks more distinctive.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 8, 2018 1:03:50 GMT
Or being a female warrior in the first place... I dunno, mine was a seven foot tall walking fortress who made Blackwall look like a particularly hairy twelve-year-old wielding a practice sword. :sure:
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