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Post by warden on Feb 23, 2018 13:31:15 GMT
DAI plot is garbage (trespasser included) if MEA in plot is a 2/10 then DAI it's 4/10 at best.
I agree on characters, MEA crew is like playing with modern teenagers full of shit in middle school both mentally and physically. Though it's not like DAI characters are better, aside from Cassandra, the rest are forgettable.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2018 4:51:28 GMT
I, for one, hated the radial searches in DAI. Like this one person said over on BSN prime, even in her signature, "I'm a person, not a submarine. Stop making me ping everything around me." Did she say "man the torpedoes!" every time she used the radial search? If so, she was awesome. But then I yell grenade loudly in my house every time I throw one in a shooter. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2018 11:49:30 GMT
In theory, yes, but nowdays videogames are sensitive business, so for example, all possible "colonialism" allegories had to be avoided at all costs. Yes, I know how "colonisation game without colonialism" sounds. It's bullshit to avoid such a theme for political reasons and that shouldn't be taken for granted "because games are sensitive business". It's merely a testament to how companies like EA are far too timid about certain things because of business, aiming to provide only the most secure success by avoiding any potential controversy (and then failing by not realizing love for Star Wars isn't unconditional). According to Manveer Heir the issue of colonialism was a thing that concerned many on the team but when prompting their lead writer at the time, and I suppose that might have been Chris Schlerf he would always give a stock response of "We'll answer it in a really clever way.". The notion inside the team wasn't "Oh, Colonialism is scary let's not do it!" it was more "We're doing colonialism... but how exactly?" and the lead writer(s) were responsible for not actually executing on this core theme. |
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 28, 2018 12:53:38 GMT
In theory, yes, but nowdays videogames are sensitive business, so for example, all possible "colonialism" allegories had to be avoided at all costs. Yes, I know how "colonisation game without colonialism" sounds. It's bullshit to avoid such a theme for political reasons and that shouldn't be taken for granted "because games are sensitive business". It's merely a testament to how companies like EA are far too timid about certain things because of business, aiming to provide only the most secure success by avoiding any potential controversy (and then failing by not realizing love for Star Wars isn't unconditional). EA is private company and can do whatever the heck it wants. As long as it's within the law, of course. Lol, it's Heir we're talking about. He called current version as "glorifying colonialist fantasies". No wonder higher employees were running away and hiding from him. |
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Post by goishen on Feb 28, 2018 13:01:56 GMT
Did she say "man the torpedoes!" every time she used the radial search? If so, she was awesome. But then I yell grenade loudly in my house every time I throw one in a shooter. You must be a hit at airports. |
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2018 17:26:42 GMT
If so, she was awesome. But then I yell grenade loudly in my house every time I throw one in a shooter. You must be a hit at airports. I may be searched thoroughly more often than most people. |
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Post by goishen on Feb 28, 2018 18:02:02 GMT
You must be a hit at airports. I may be searched thoroughly more often than most people. Just be happy we're not on the Counter Strike forums. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 28, 2018 20:47:21 GMT
If so, she was awesome. But then I yell grenade loudly in my house every time I throw one in a shooter. You must be a hit at airports. Remember, no Russian in the airport. |
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Post by sriep on Feb 28, 2018 21:38:12 GMT
Two issues problems with MEA.
The major one is the main plot, which was just not engaging enough. The DAI and ME3 main plots were much better IMHO. They had a completely clean slate, could have done anything and ARGH!
The minor one is that I really didn't engage with the characters in the same way as the ME and DA characters. Drack was great, and I thought PB was OK.
Most of the rest I was OK with. Some quips but nothing serious. The minor sub plots were mainly fine, it's just the lack of any real main plot that was the problem.
Maybe they were trying to go for something like Skyrim, with lots of secondary but still substantial plotlines, but that was just not going to work.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2018 22:34:10 GMT
Two issues problems with MEA. The major one is the main plot, which was just not engaging enough. The DAI and ME3 main plots were much better IMHO. They had a completely clean slate, could have done anything and ARGH! The minor one is that I really didn't engage with the characters in the same way as the ME and DA characters. Drack was great, and I thought PB was OK. Most of the rest I was OK with. Some quips but nothing serious. The minor sub plots were mainly fine, it's just the lack of any real main plot that was the problem. Maybe they were trying to go for something like Skyrim, with lots of secondary but still substantial plotlines, but that was just not going to work. It could have worked if the subplots were actually substantial. the usual Subplot structure in MEA. 1. NPC tells you they got a thing, but they can't do it yet.(mission on hold) 2. NPC dude my thing, its still a thing. (mission on hold) 3. NPC dude, can we talk to bob, hes got info on my thing.(mission on hold) 4. NPC, dude I'm like super frustrated my thing isn't ready yet, but its still a thing. 5. NPC. dude, my thing its ready can we go to place x and kill a bunch of people. 6. NPC, dude, thanks for helping me with my thing but if you don't kiss my ass tomorrow I'll forget you helped. That being said, I still had fun with the game even if the story and characters were weaker than normal. |
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Post by riou on Mar 2, 2018 20:45:49 GMT
I'll preface this by saying that I only ever compare ME:A to ME1, because imo it's the only fair comparison to make. ME2 & 3 were sequels which improved upon issues in ME1, so it's unfair to use them as points of comparison since ME:A hasn't had a sequel yet.
Anyway, I think it's weird that people ask or claim that somehow Andromeda was "missing" something. It feels like the sort of ME game that ME1 wanted to be but couldn't. Much better characters, a much better story and narrative pacing. Combat and gameplay are in a really nice place too.
About my only real criticism is the lack of technical fixes and polish. Things like bugs or conversation triggers that remained unfixed. Otherwise, ME:A is my go-to ME game.
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Post by KrrKs on Mar 3, 2018 14:19:42 GMT
[...] It feels like the sort of ME game that ME1 wanted to be but couldn't.[...] This! Also, while i agree with most of what you said, I disagree that MEA has a better story than ME1. IMO ME1 is superior in that regard, especially if one consideres the worldbuilding aspect incorporated in there. I also disagree somewhat on the pacing. In both games the pace largely depends on the player, but MEA has forced slower pace segments twice, before being able to visit the exaltation facility and before the kett flagship. (Requiring the visit of Havarl/Voeld and Kadara respectively and a lot of traversed area.) |
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 3, 2018 14:31:39 GMT
MEA was so close.
The technical issues needed dealing with before launch, they are now fine.
What it needed was more courage, more WTF moments, more payoff (like the MET).
So I'm sad to say it is the writing and the stakes and the big choices that mean it's a 7/10, not a 9/10.
I like the game, but if you make a 'best bits' compilation from the Mass Effect games, only a few would be from MEA.
The frustration is in the 'could have been' as most of the work had been done.
That shortfall was the difference between an 'Omega DLC' game and a 'Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC' game.
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Post by bizantura on Mar 3, 2018 15:06:12 GMT
Mediocre game at best but getting better over time since those kinds of RPG's are not popular with developers to make any more. So from my point of view, it lacks DLC's.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 3, 2018 17:36:28 GMT
MEA was so close. The technical issues needed dealing with before launch, they are now fine. What it needed was more courage, more WTF moments, more payoff (like the MET). So I'm sad to say it is the writing and the stakes and the big choices that mean it's a 7/10, not a 9/10. I like the game, but if you make a 'best bits' compilation from the Mass Effect games, only a few would be from MEA. The frustration is in the 'could have been' as most of the work had been done. That shortfall was the difference between an 'Omega DLC' game and a 'Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC' game. I liked the Omega DLC more than the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 3, 2018 18:22:24 GMT
I'll preface this by saying that I only ever compare ME:A to ME1, because imo it's the only fair comparison to make. ME2 & 3 were sequels which improved upon issues in ME1, so it's unfair to use them as points of comparison since ME:A hasn't had a sequel yet. Anyway, I think it's weird that people ask or claim that somehow Andromeda was "missing" something. It feels like the sort of ME game that ME1 wanted to be but couldn't. Much better characters, a much better story and narrative pacing. Combat and gameplay are in a really nice place too. About my only real criticism is the lack of technical fixes and polish. Things like bugs or conversation triggers that remained unfixed. Otherwise, ME:A is my go-to ME game. Oh thats such a cop out. You can definitely compare MEA to ME2 and ME3. Bioware had 3 damn games of ME to reference and learn from (success and mistakes) to frame MEA and yet they failed. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 3, 2018 18:25:03 GMT
I'll preface this by saying that I only ever compare ME:A to ME1, because imo it's the only fair comparison to make. ME2 & 3 were sequels which improved upon issues in ME1, so it's unfair to use them as points of comparison since ME:A hasn't had a sequel yet. Anyway, I think it's weird that people ask or claim that somehow Andromeda was "missing" something. It feels like the sort of ME game that ME1 wanted to be but couldn't. Much better characters, a much better story and narrative pacing. Combat and gameplay are in a really nice place too. About my only real criticism is the lack of technical fixes and polish. Things like bugs or conversation triggers that remained unfixed. Otherwise, ME:A is my go-to ME game. Oh thats such a cop out. You can definitely compare MEA to ME2 and ME3. Bioware had 3 damn games of ME to reference and learn from (success and mistakes) to frame MEA and yet they failed. I agree that you can compare it to ME2 and ME3 as well, but just ME2 or ME3 by themselves. You have to compare them as ididivual games, not MEA compared to the entire Shepard Trilogy. Doing that, for me at least, MEA is either first or second in rank from best to worst, battling with ME3 and beating ME1 and easily ME2. |
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 3, 2018 18:49:43 GMT
Doing that, for me at least, MEA is either first or second in rank from best to worst, battling with ME3 and beating ME1 and easily ME2. In order I'd rank (from great to good): - ME2
- ME3
- ME
- MEA
But I imagine we will all have our own views on that... |
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Post by Guardian on Mar 4, 2018 5:04:09 GMT
In order I'd rank (from great to good): - ME2
- ME3
- ME
- MEA
But I imagine we will all have our own views on that... Similar for me, Sofa 1. ME2/ME3 (it was a tie - too close to call it) 3. ME 4. ME:A |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 5, 2018 4:41:43 GMT
Mine is more like:
1. ME3/ME1
2. MEA
3. ME2
Sorry, but I'm a Kaidanmancer and felt ME2 didn't follow the main plot. Lost lots of points for lack of Kaidan (or Ash, if it were my preference) and Reapers. Also, I quite liked MEA. It had it's faults but it was never supposed to be the MET. Anyone expecting that was already in for a disappointing experience.
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Post by Guardian on Mar 5, 2018 5:35:26 GMT
Mine is more like: 1. ME3/ME1 2. MEA 3. ME2 Sorry, but I'm a Kaidanmancer and felt ME2 didn't follow the main plot. Lost lots of points for lack of Kaidan (or Ash, if it were my preference) and Reapers. Also, I quite liked MEA. It had it's faults but it was never supposed to be the MET. Anyone expecting that was already in for a disappointing experience. No need to be sorry, dmc1001  I actually agree with your point on that one. I had two big issues with ME 2 (forced to work with Cerberus as one and why the 180 change in attitude with Kaidan/Ashley?) But as for being a Kaidanmancer, it's all good. We all have our preferred LI's and (hopefully) no one disrespects someone else's choice. Sorry for the off-topic response. As for expectations about ME:A being the ME:Trilogy, if someone really expected that then yeah, they're gonna be disappointed (and personally, they're foolish for thinking that it would be). Andromeda is still not a bad game - it's average. And anyone that enjoys Mass Effect I feel should still play it at least once. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 5, 2018 8:22:10 GMT
Guardian: No, no one here has disrespected my LI preference, though I've heard that was a thing way back before I was playing. Total agreement on Cerberus.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 5, 2018 15:15:50 GMT
Doing that, for me at least, MEA is either first or second in rank from best to worst, battling with ME3 and beating ME1 and easily ME2. In order I'd rank (from great to good): - ME2
- ME3
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- MEA
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Post by Guardian on Mar 5, 2018 22:17:11 GMT
Guardian : No, no one here has disrespected my LI preference, though I've heard that was a thing way back before I was playing. Total agreement on Cerberus. I feel your pain.....I'm actually a Talimancer. And yeah, the three biggest targets back on the old BSN were Tali, Kaiden and Jacob. Then it was all the gratuitous Miranda ass shots, followed by "Why can't Ash be a FemShep LI/Why is Ash xenophobic?" |
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 6, 2018 0:18:41 GMT
Guardian : No, no one here has disrespected my LI preference, though I've heard that was a thing way back before I was playing. Total agreement on Cerberus. I feel your pain.....I'm actually a Talimancer. And yeah, the three biggest targets back on the old BSN were Tali, Kaiden and Jacob. Then it was all the gratuitous Miranda ass shots, followed by "Why can't Ash be a FemShep LI/Why is Ash xenophobic?" This takes me back to the Ash/FemShep romance mod that puts Meer’s voice on Shepard. It’s like a love scene with lesbian Dr. Girlfriend. |
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