You thought Mage vs. Templar was complicated? JUST YOU WAIT FOR...

The greater good > mages.

End of the story.

Now you may proceed to follow the original topic again.

Mages vs Templars isn't complicated! Mages suck and should be put in circles at the very least, unless they are hot gay guys, but I haven't seen any yet.

The Chantry's not a civil organisation in this world. The Chantry is the most powerful institute in Southern-Thedas, with the most powerful army. Anders attacked one of the headquarter of this institute. At twilight, when no praying civilian inside the main building, except one-two. The Chantry's army (Templars) abuses innocent civilians, children – including mages or non-mages. The mages are civilians as well, but the Templars abused not only the mages, but the Dalish (they wanted to eliminate Merrill's whole clan for Feynriel, as Fenyriel would their property...), and the peaceful men of Kirkwall for example, but not only there.

And for the sake of truth: Anders only started the rebellion, he just ignited a spark, the Seekers and Templars (ladies and gentlemen in shining bloody armour, who are sworn to protect the innocent civilians), not the mages.

By the way: not the "in the name of the mage rebellion", rather in the name of the freedom.

Fair enough.

It’s much earlier in the game, but some of my Hawkes sort of get to do that. Somewhere midgame, there’s a “kick Anders out of Kirkwall” route. And it actually works! Unlike in Act I, there are no Warden maps forcing you to keep him, so he straight-up leaves Kirkwall.

Obviously he comes back at the end, but Hawke has no part in the scheme nor any hints about what might go down. And honestly, at the point where Anders can get kicked out, it’s totally reasonable to do so. He usually hangs on due to the metagame desire to keep the healer, but it’s perfectly in-character for most Hawkes to show him the door.

I can say from personal experience, the combat is (surprisingly) easier without a healer — so this route isn’t as suicidal as it sounds.

I don't like Tevinter, but I will never support the Qun.
That's the real problem: What if I don't root for anyone?

BACK ON TOPIC PLE-oh, we're back. Good.

Anyway, Bad vs Evil: Dragon Age Edition had BETTER be more considerately implemented. I don't think we should see any sort of overt bias one way or the other. In fact, BioWare has seeded interesting characters on both sides of this conflict. Should be interesting to see this play out. Hopefully we won't be railroaded into supporting Tevinter just because of Dorian and Maevaris & Friends. I think perhaps the Inquisition in whatever form it takes should support Tevinter (or at least the Lucerni), because given the events of Trespasser are we the players really supposed to believe that Divine Victoria (whoever she is) and the Quizzy actually buy into that tripe about 'Viddasala went rogue'?
The fact that Hissrad aids the Viddasala is proof enough that she wasn't going rogue.

This next statement may be a bit controversial BUT here goes:
I hope they don't further retcon the Qun to be 'progressive' a la the Aqun-athlok. In the Qun men and women have defined roles, one is not inherently seen as superior to another (in fact given how much influence the female-only Tammassrans have it comes close to looking like a Matriarchy-Lite). As such the Qun don't seem the types to buy into the idea of gender being a mere 'social construct'. I don't know, that idea just seemed a biiit of stretch for me. Especially when I think of Sten and Leliana's conversation of female soldiers "Why would they want to be men?"

I would've thought that Tevinter would be more inclined that way, since gender roles are comparatively heh fluid.
Which given the existance of Maevaris, made Krem's story odd to me, if Maevaris is tolerated why isn't Krem?

We must scour the Qunari from existence lest they do the same to us. (Nothing against the race, just the religion)

To honest it's not a very complicated issue. You're just picking which brand of evil you want to support or reform.

From Reddituser AliveProbably:
"I hear this come up so much I'm just gonna make a post about it.

So many people say that Bull's explanation of aqun-athlok, one who identifies as a gender not assigned to them at birth, contradicts Qunari lore, and often specifically quote Sten from Origins.

Here is the scene.

This dialogue is unambiguous, but not in the way many take it.

I don't understand, you look like a woman.

Sten is questioning your gender here, not your role. What your gender looks like, to him, is not defining what you are. He then states as an absolute fact:

You are a Warden. Therefore it follows you can't be a woman.

If Sten had the same rigid gender roles that our world frequently does, he wouldn't be saying you can't be a woman--he'd be saying you can't be a Warden.

In Sten's eyes, you're not choosing your gender or even your role in society--you are a Warden, who is a warrior, and warriors are not women.

I frequently see people complaining this is "PC gone mad", and BioWare is favoring pandering over lore, but make no mistake: the Qun is not progressive. A trans woman wouldn't be considered a woman if she was a warrior. The Qunari have different set of rigid gender roles, but rigid gender roles they still are."

I'll admit. I never talked to Sten as a female Warden. (Never played one beyond an Origin) The way he words it here, as opposed to his talk with Leliana, makes a lot more sense. It's Bull and the way he words it in Inquisition that threw me off, is he trying to make the Qun sound more appealing?

Their analysis breaks down here. That you can talk to Sten while dressed (and looking) as though you don't conform to the female gender means that Sten must be talking about the PC's sex, and not their gender.

EDIT: If he is actually talking about how they look, that is. For example, go bald and wear massive armour and Sten will still say "I don't understand, you look like a woman".

EDIT 2: Should be noted that Sten said "look like a woman", not "sound like a woman", or "seem to be a woman". That Sten is judging your physical appearance is pretty critical, in my opinion, because it can be altered quite drastically.

EDIT 3: But I've also had this argument before and have no desire to repeat it. So that's all I'll say on the matter.

EDIT 4: 4th edit because I don't like odd numbers.

EDIT 5: Or was it even numbers ... 

Yeah, the Qun is pretty awful and only faux-progressive.

The only reason I slightly like them more than the Vints is because at least the Qun is awful in an unique way that I don't see a lot in fiction. All powerful mage overlords enslaving the normies has been done before.