Since Destiny is pretty much dead... or is it?

Not sure if Destiny is dead or not, I know in passing a bunch of people that still play the game.  I do think the comparisons are happening because it was something said in passing as a comparison by EA or BioWare a couple of times.

Now my experience with Warframe is about four years old and probably really out of date, but it could be what people feel about the story.  For when I played it the game felt like it was about as deep as Mass Effect 3's multiplayer.  I do plan on going back to re-evaluate the game when I get a new video card, but I am not sure how far off that is at the moment.

Destiny is only one year off from year 5 and they're already working on D3 (the fools they are, they'd rather make the next one over fixing a game with a severe declining player population, no good in making D3 if it won't even retain half the playerbase). 

Odds are warframe wont get mentioned much as 1.its free to play 2. Its marketing is no where good enough to actually put the game out there and 3. Its population has never been mind blowing to wow people or other competitors in specific. It's not a bad game, but it's never going to see attention even to a dieing destiny franchise cause the marketing isn't in their favor. 

Didn't Destiny 2 just come out a few months ago? And it's already dead?

If someone would be so kind as to enlighten me on what transpired to make that possible, I'd be most appreciative.

Well from what I gather everything that made Destiny 1 a good game was removed from Destiny 2. Also shaders for armor is now a 1 time use commodity, and a lot of things have been placed behind loot boxes. I've also heard from people who play that the "end game is trash" but as I don't play games such as these I don't know what that could possibly mean in regards to Destiny 2. 

The thing is how would people react to EA comparing Anthem to a F2P game? They already bitch and moan about lootboxes in general and with Battlefront 2 being the mess it was I cannot see people taking the comparison as a good thing.

It really depends on what they are wanting with Live Services.  I have seen different articles and publishers talking about Live Services and it all seems to be completely different, so its hard to say.  The one example that keeps being floated around regarding EA products and Live Services in Mass Effect 3 and Andromeda's MP where it was content updates that don't require a patch, but put for new challenges for players.  Its why YouTubers are annoying me with their rhetoric about Live Services for nobody knows really what they are going to be, but they paint a wide brush with next to no information and their assumptions.

It might have a large number of accounts, but how many of them are active.  According to SteamCharts they have concurrent users of about 47,000 players, but that is down by 20,000 from a month ago.  So it could still be spiked from when they released the last expansion.

A lot of it has to do with them either butchering what wasn't an issue in D1 or flat out ditching them.

1. All of pvp is now 4v4 where as it used to be separate by modes I.E. 2v2, 3v3, 6v6 and you had private matches, none of that is in D2 (however 7 months later they're adding them back at some point).

2. PvE wise weapons just aren't as "fun" as they were in D1, same with the abilities and supers. They've limited their effectiveness so much that people will say the "space magic" is almost non existent in D2. Pvp wise this helps balance but it came with the sacrifice of hurting PvE since Bungie refuses to separate the two sandboxes.

3. Then you have the content of PvE itself:you can no longer replay every mission at will, instead you hope for it to be part of Ikoras Dailey missions. You can no longer pick which specific strike to play (so if you play the very same strike 5 times then tough... you can no longer change the strike yourself).

4. As sanunes mentioned, Bungie has also attempted cheap tactics vs the player base such as lowering XP gains for free lootboxes. You also have Bungie saying "it's hard to make content" in a game that was lacking content. While I agree with them, that IS NOT something to say out loud to your playerbase and it was used as ammunition vs Bungie.

i can go on and on and on as I put 1,200 hours into D1 and only 70ish into D2 but the short answer is D2 didn't act as a "sequel" as they cut back on so many things.

1.they killed variety either from
cosmetics or game modes themselves.

2. They've cheated their players

3. They've honestly catered so much to the casual player I.E. the ones who'll stay for a few weeks and then ditch it so the hardcore players don't have much for themselves. There is no level advantage in the game like there was in D1, they've dumbed down the already weak skill trees the game already had, everything was just made to be as accessible as possible but there's no real challenge to the game at all. 

One of Destiny 2’s serious problems was that they stripped out many of the improvements that kept the fans playing over the course of Destiny’s lifespan in favor of new systems. They also decided to shift to a model where they would produce less content and put more emphasis on the in game store as a means of revenue owing to the difficulty in keeping up with content schedules with the first game.

As a result, there really isn’t much to keep players logging on in between content drops.

There’s also the controversial matter of how Destiny 2’s story content has been handled since release, with an inexperienced narrative designer (and potential nepotistic hire) who plays loose with established lore.

Destiny isn't dead. It makes Activision their MTX money and the population will always rise and then dive between every new game and expansion.

But GAH, I hate the monetization model of the Shared World Shooter SO MUCH. God, I hope EA lets BioWare handle DLCs and expansions better than Activision.

The smokescreen of Destiny is the fact that under all its disingenuous labelings like "Expansions" and "Game 1 of Destiny 1" what it really is, is Activisions typical annual sequel model. You have Destiny Year One: Two Expansions that should've been in the main game because you can literally go and find all the locations and enemy-spawns, even bosses before you own it and before the release date (I did this and was disappointed to learn it was paid content that hadn't released) and then Destiny The Taken King (Game 1) in the second year which is by all intents and purposes another game you pay 40 bucks for that is inserted as DLC, and then Rise of Iron which is the same but a year later. Then Destiny 2, a glorified expansion that has as much content as Destiny 1 did at launch which is almost nothing and then in 3 years Destiny 2 will have as much as D1 did... just before Destiny 3 is announced.

PLease, god, jesus, crap, lord, satan, etc. EA let BioWare make Anthem without this kind of crap cycle. I hope they can already see how Destiny, despite probably being profitable thorugh microtransactions, could've done much better if it had been a single game that only expanded and expanded vs resetting the thing with a full-priced game with no longevity every 3rd year.

The fact that BioWare is already under a 10-year development roadmap for Anthem pisses the shit out of me. Remember SWTOR? That came out ages ago, right? Nope. That was 2011. It's not even 8 years old, and both Destiny and Anthem are supposed to last until 2028 as IPs with sequels.


^Also, GUY. John Dombrow worked on Destiny, The Taken King. That's why it's the only one with competent writing in it. Schlerf is writing for Rise of Iron and D2 and as usual he's meh. The vanilla game was a frankenstein of the Halo writer's plot that was largely scrapped and since then they've had no lore-master and as such it gets bastardized.

Destiny 2 had SCHLERF, lol.

Mhm, I guess they are rather happy that they can retain players with Overwatch. If you cross promote  you might just make people drop one of your games for another, since MP games compete about player time.

To my knowledge, it was actually the fans who drew that comparison rather than any suggestion made by EA, although nobody has discouraged it.

Maybe, but the one trailer released was very similar to the destiny trailer in vibe down to the bad co op player dialogue and finding the cool gun. So, IMO its on bioware for the comparisons, by aping the destiny trailer they brought it on themselves.